Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

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    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
  • JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Wow, those Podesta emails sure do trigger. They weren't my emails, they weren't doctored or edited, they were John Podestas. Plus the thread was closed long ago.

    This always helps me...

    https://youtu.be/6-6xV0uAVpk

    No, maybe not, but you did repeatedly misrepresent what they contained or allegedly alluded to. Repeatedly. And you continue to make references to serious allegations with no basis in fact in the two remaining open threads, relying upon questionable sources with hidden agendas and thus far, made up code. Now, who's triggered?
    Some subjects are not for everyone for whatever reasons, advice to those, don't click!
    See? That's the thing. I did read your posts and I did click the links provided. And your characterizations weren't accurate. They were misleading and bullshit. Typical alt-right tactic. Throw it out, hope the audience doesn't think critically and then deny and distract. Congratulations on passing Putin's propaganda misinformation 101 class.
    H2M I don't remember any genuine rebuttals, not 1, I remember you within minutes following up my posts with non-sense, which is okay, I don't tell people what or what not to post, I remember 2 whole pages of 1 word threads, which I thought was hilarious, I remember stereotypes and labels (scan up the page) but I don't remember genuine rebuttal. Maybe I'm wrong, it's still accessible, I'll go back thru and look if you had anything worth replying to.
    Triggered!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Wow, those Podesta emails sure do trigger. They weren't my emails, they weren't doctored or edited, they were John Podestas. Plus the thread was closed long ago.

    This always helps me...

    https://youtu.be/6-6xV0uAVpk

    No, maybe not, but you did repeatedly misrepresent what they contained or allegedly alluded to. Repeatedly. And you continue to make references to serious allegations with no basis in fact in the two remaining open threads, relying upon questionable sources with hidden agendas and thus far, made up code. Now, who's triggered?
    Some subjects are not for everyone for whatever reasons, advice to those, don't click!
    See? That's the thing. I did read your posts and I did click the links provided. And your characterizations weren't accurate. They were misleading and bullshit. Typical alt-right tactic. Throw it out, hope the audience doesn't think critically and then deny and distract. Congratulations on passing Putin's propaganda misinformation 101 class.
    H2M I don't remember any genuine rebuttals, not 1, I remember you within minutes following up my posts with non-sense, which is okay, I don't tell people what or what not to post, I remember 2 whole pages of 1 word threads, which I thought was hilarious, I remember stereotypes and labels (scan up the page) but I don't remember genuine rebuttal. Maybe I'm wrong, it's still accessible, I'll go back thru and look if you had anything worth replying to.
    Triggered!
    lol, your trigger gauge needs re calibration!
  • Asking you to explain how your one or two word declaration provided next to a linked Podesta email meant what you declared it did isn't worth discussing? Because you can't get therya from herya. Or is it your strategy, when challenged, to shrug your shoulders and walk away, move on to the next piece of BS to post? Question: do you read the links that you post before you post them and do you consider your sources or do any research on them prior to considering them as "proof" of the point that you're attempting to make? It became clear very quickly to me that you were and are only interested in smearing and ridiculing rather than serious debate. IMHO.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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    Asking you to explain how your one or two word declaration provided next to a linked Podesta email meant what you declared it did isn't worth discussing? Because you can't get therya from herya. Or is it your strategy, when challenged, to shrug your shoulders and walk away, move on to the next piece of BS to post? Question: do you read the links that you post before you post them and do you consider your sources or do any research on them prior to considering them as "proof" of the point that you're attempting to make? It became clear very quickly to me that you were and are only interested in smearing and ridiculing rather than serious debate. IMHO.

    fair point... yes i read them. where or who did do i smear or ridicule, im not looking for proof just from your memory. example of challenge and ignored would be good thou. I try to respond to genuine rebuttals challenges.
    I was working on a website so I couldnt provide every details, I always provide the link if not the direct email, Im not infallible maybe I made honest mistakes, also I generally post from phones, with multiple windows opened, you'll notice frequent auto correct mis-spellings. I stopped posting altogether, then resumed when it was done. Actually, to be honest, the responses on here gave me the idea to create the site, "boring, nothing here, next, tell me when u find something interesting". Now look, the site ranks on search engines and everyone is talking about those boring nothing there emails.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348

    Asking you to explain how your one or two word declaration provided next to a linked Podesta email meant what you declared it did isn't worth discussing? Because you can't get therya from herya. Or is it your strategy, when challenged, to shrug your shoulders and walk away, move on to the next piece of BS to post? Question: do you read the links that you post before you post them and do you consider your sources or do any research on them prior to considering them as "proof" of the point that you're attempting to make? It became clear very quickly to me that you were and are only interested in smearing and ridiculing rather than serious debate. IMHO.

    This is why I refer to him as a Leninist. It's an obscure political term for someone that only seeks to destroy institutions. It's not about bettering anything. You hit it right on the head (in the bold).
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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html?sr=fbCNN011017donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia1020PMStoryLink&linkId=33252933

    oh my goodness gracious...
    Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

    The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
  • http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html?sr=fbCNN011017donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia1020PMStoryLink&linkId=33252933

    oh my goodness gracious...

    Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.

    The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Serious now...and these multi cam edits end up on YouTube? Or you keep to yourself?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Serious now...and these multi cam edits end up on YouTube? Or you keep to yourself?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

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    BS44325 said:

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    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Serious now...and these multi cam edits end up on YouTube? Or you keep to yourself?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJedu1zHEHk This is Miami. You can see the rest on my page. They are all blu ray too.
    Sick! I only watch dubbed multi cam shows.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,741
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14U2QZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=587576b104d301320bf2a7f2&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    Russian hackers claim to have compromising information on Trump: CNN

    By Eric Beech and Warren Strobel | WASHINGTON

    Classified documents presented last week to President-elect Donald Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising information about him, CNN reported on Tuesday.

    The allegations were in a two-page synopsis appended to a report presented by U.S. intelligence officials to Trump and President Barack Obama on Russian interference in the 2016 election, CNN said, citing multiple U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the briefings.

    The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work U.S. intelligence officials consider credible, CNN reported.

    It said the FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Trump.

    The FBI declined comment.

    Allegations that Russia attempted to compromise New York real estate businessman Trump have been circulating in Washington for months, and they were presented to U.S. officials last year.

    Reuters has not been able to corroborate the allegations or confirm the existence of the two-page synopsis reported by CNN.

    The warning to Trump, however, coincides with growing concern about what Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has called a "multifaceted" Russian influence and espionage campaign in Europe and the United States.

    In addition to hacking computer networks and spreading propaganda and fake news, it includes efforts to cultivate business and political leaders and find compromising personal, financial or other information on persons of interest, U.S. intelligence officials said.

    The classified briefings last week were presented by Clapper, Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey, Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan and National Security Agency Director Mike Rogers.

    One reason the U.S. intelligence chiefs took the extraordinary step of including the synopsis in the briefing documents was to make Trump aware that allegations about him are circulating among intelligence agencies, senior members of Congress and government officials, CNN said.

    An unclassified intelligence report released on Friday concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an effort to help Trump's electoral chances by discrediting Democrat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential campaign.

    The report said U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that as part of the effort Russia's military intelligence agency, the GRU, used intermediaries such as WikiLeaks and others to release emails it hacked from the Democratic National Committee and top Democrats.

    (Reporting by Eric Beech and Warren Strobel; additional reporting by John Walcott, Mark Hosenball and Jonathan Landay; Editing by Eric Walsh and Grant McCool)
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    Hmmm. I saw this earlier. I guess if I was the cynical type and this is true, I might think that Putin and Co. have been blackmailing Trump. And he truly is a patsy for the Russians. I hope everyone realized just how dangerous this might be.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    edited January 2017
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    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

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    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Editing PJ multicam shows? That sounds cool but I have no idea what that means. Do you have a link to some of your work if available. I know that's off topic, but I don't care.

    Edit: Nevermind, just scrolled down. :)
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    dignin said:

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    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Editing PJ multicam shows? That sounds cool but I have no idea what that means. Do you have a link to some of your work if available. I know that's off topic, but I don't care.
    Scroll up. I posted Miami up. This is one of many. If you go to you tube, you can see many of the rest...but not all.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

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    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    JC29856 said:

    I think I said before that the reports were completed by interns.

    This from above link...
    That is the entirety of the evidence the report offers to support its estimation of Putin’s motives for allegedly working to elect Trump: conjecture based on other politicians in other periods, on other continents—and also on misreported or mistranslated public statements.

    You somehow think the what was released publicly is the same as what was released to the oversight committees. Believe who you want.
    You seem to think that I'm referencing the "classified report", I know that it was intended for the oversight committees and nbc sources. The American public and congress only get to see the unclassified version. I would think some of the reporting has to be similar.
    I know you have deep hatred for Russia but dont you think we and all members of congress should at least see some compelling evidence before threatening nuclear nations and calling for sanctions? Where do we live in Russia, what is this a federal republic?
    No, we live in a representational democracy. Those representatives are your voices. Call your congressional rep. Ask them what they think about the evidence. If you don't believe the rep, vote against them next time. Campaign against them. Organize against them. The good news is it won't land you in jail or dead, which is different than Putin's Russia.
    Or peddle pedophilia allegations against them.
    Exactly.. JC should be so thankful because 90% of the shit he posts would land him in jail as an enemy of the state. Maybe that's why he won't give up his US citizenship and move there. But that's how Leninists like him operate. They only seek to destroy institutions, never improving them. They support nothing, they are against everything.
    "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

    Getting back at you meaning "landing you in jail or dead".

    What did Chuck the leading democrat mean when he said this? Senate minority leader and career politician must know something.
    I am actually amazed that this quote hasn't generated more controversy. Even though most people know this to be true It is direct confirmation that the intelligence agencies attempt to operate outside civilian authority. While of course career agents should be listened to they are required to work for and not against elected representatives. If any agent disagrees with the President and/or his CIA chief then the honourable thing to do is resign. Leaking and/or "getting back" at their superior in any other way does great damage to the agency and proves that the bureaucracy is serious need of reform.
    I generally agree with this comment and am fairly certain there are agents, directors, etc. that believe they operate above the law. They probably get a way with it more often than they should. But that manifests itself into politically damaging leaks, conjecture, misinformation, etc. Were Chuck in Russia, he would end up like Boris Nemtsov or the former president of Yukos.
    Chuck a lenists too?

    image
    No... you are one of the few. Congrats.
    I remember when you were "the defender of all things Hilliary", it'll be almost a year now. Anyway since her devastating defeat and your subsequent recovery from, what is your new role?
    whatever it is, you should have more fun with it, dont be so serious, throw a joke in once in awhile. jimmyv did that and I found his posts more enjoyable. i miss jimmyv.
    My new "role" is the same as it always is. Around here, I'm interested in political debate, foreign affairs, generally liberal politics and editing Pearl Jam multicam shows. It's what I do for leisure.
    Editing PJ multicam shows? That sounds cool but I have no idea what that means. Do you have a link to some of your work if available. I know that's off topic, but I don't care.
    Scroll up. I posted Miami up. This is one of many. If you go to you tube, you can see many of the rest...but not all.
    Good stuff man, I will be sure to check your channel.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,426
    Sounds like KGB has massive amounts of videos of Trump from a bugged Russian hotel room.... Golden shower performances, etc.

    This might get interesting.

    But hey... Hillary had a private server
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    Sorry, getting lost in mrussel1's videos, they are fucking fantastic. Had no idea that such a thing was available and possible. Everyone should subscribe.

    But back on topic, I and others were saying awhile ago that the Russians surely had dirt on Trump. If true this could be terrible for America.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761

    Sounds like KGB has massive amounts of videos of Trump from a bugged Russian hotel room.... Golden shower performances, etc.

    This might get interesting.

    But hey... Hillary had a private server

    The last line would be so funny if it weren't true.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Sounds like KGB has massive amounts of videos of Trump from a bugged Russian hotel room.... Golden shower performances, etc.

    This might get interesting.

    But hey... Hillary had a private server

    I'm thinking this is true...not yellow journalism.
    Holy sheet!!!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    John McCain... Patriot. I may not always agree but he is America First.

    Here is a different angle, and more thorough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    John McCain... Patriot. I may not always agree but he is America First.

    Here is a different angle, and more thorough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

    He's buried!
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818990655418617856
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,331
    Will he postpone his news conference tomorrow?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,348
    dignin said:

    FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818990655418617856

    It's crazy how defensive he is.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/818990655418617856

    It's crazy how defensive he is.
    I would be too! He had to know this would come out. Wasn't he briefed last week? Imagine Obama face when intel reviewed this with him. Crazy
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    dignin said:

    Will he postpone his news conference tomorrow?

    That was my first thought as well.
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