It is being reported that John Podesta, Chairman of the defeated $1.2 billion Clinton presidential campaign, is supporting the call by various officials, including at least forty Electors, that the members of the Electoral College be given a classified intelligence briefing on the alleged Russian hacking before the College votes on December 19.
In the event such a briefing comes to pass, it might be helpful if the Electors had some informed questions to ask the CIA.
1/ The DNC hackers inserted the name of the founder of Russian intelligence, in Russian, in the metadata of the hacked documents. Why would the G.R.U., Russian military intelligence do that?
2/ If the hackers were indeed part of Russian intelligence, why did they use a free Russian email account, or, in the hack of the state election systems, a Russian-owned killchain2server? Does Russian intelligence normally display such poor tradecraft?
3/ Why would Russian intelligence, for the purposes of hacking the election systems of Arizona and Illinois, book space on a Russian-owned server and then use only English, as documents furnished by Vladimir Fomenko, proprietor of Kings Servers, the company that owned the server in question, clearly indicate?
4/ Numerous reports ascribe the hacks to hacking groups known as APT 28 or “Fancy Bear” and APT 29 or “Cozy Bear.” But these groups had already been accused of nefarious actions on behalf of Russian intelligence prior to the hacks under discussion. Why would the Kremlin and its intelligence agencies select well-known groups to conduct a regime-change operation on the most powerful country on earth?
5/ It has been reported in the New York Times, without attribution, that U.S. intelligence has identified specific G.R.U. officials who directed the hacking. Is this true, and if so, please provide details (Witness should be sworn)
6/ The joint statement issued by the DNI and DHS on October 7 2016 confirmed that US intelligence had no evidence of official Russian involvement in the leak of hacked documents to Wikileaks, etc, saying only that the leaks were “consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts.” Has the US acquired any evidence whatsoever since that time regarding Russian involvement in the leaks?
7/ Since the most effective initiative in tipping the election to Donald Trump was the intervention of FBI Director Comey, are you investigating any possible connections he might have to Russian intelligence and Vladimir Putin?
Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.
Not hard evidence, but don't you think that common sense suggests that it's the case? Recall the reaction to the whole DNC email hack? Polls clearly showed that they did indeed sway people's feelings about Clinton, and that there was nothing comparable coming from the other side was, evidently, by design. I think that's obvious. There are poll numbers showing that the email hack influenced how people voted, particularly the undecided voters. That is swaying the election.
The poll numbers showed Clinton would win by a landslide too...just saying. You believing in a bunch of random inaccurate public opinion polls is about equivalent to the people that believe the memes...both are derived from inaccurate information and inadequate methods.
Agree about polls and memes but at least the memes are funny. But then again I think typing Russia three times is funny.
I disagree, the poll numbers were quite humorous in their own right
The polls were within the margin of error. It's a myth they were completely wrong.
If you want to go that route, they were completely accurate based on the samples...they should probably modify the way they collect the samples though... I have a friend that worked in radio and was explaining to me how they sampled their audience. They were only able to sample based on calls to people with land lines. Because of that, they could not really get accurate samples because land line use in and of itself is marginally used more my certain demographics or age groups. I'm guessing that people willing to answer surveys in general are probably correlated to specific demographics more than others especially when a large portion of the population distrusts media and pollsters. I do not know how they can claim that they are getting accurate data.
Polling aggregators try to account for all that. They can claim their data is accurate when the results are within their margin of error. The margin of error just happened to swing in Trumps favour in the states that mattered.
It's not an exact science, but it's still a science. And some polls and methods are better than others. Comparing them to miss-informative memes is false.
Maybe I'm too much of a media skeptic these days
Exactly. Where does it stop? Who is telling the truth anymore? All I know is that President-elect Trump by all rights and accounts in mainstream media should not have won. Now we still have mainstream media trying to find a way to make him "un-win"
EVERYONE should be questioning every bit of media they see & hear, and they should've been questioning a long time ago. Because the media has been in the corporations back pocket as well as the governments for quite a while. It's just more obvious now with this past election.
It is being reported that John Podesta, Chairman of the defeated $1.2 billion Clinton presidential campaign, is supporting the call by various officials, including at least forty Electors, that the members of the Electoral College be given a classified intelligence briefing on the alleged Russian hacking before the College votes on December 19.
In the event such a briefing comes to pass, it might be helpful if the Electors had some informed questions to ask the CIA.
1/ The DNC hackers inserted the name of the founder of Russian intelligence, in Russian, in the metadata of the hacked documents. Why would the G.R.U., Russian military intelligence do that?
2/ If the hackers were indeed part of Russian intelligence, why did they use a free Russian email account, or, in the hack of the state election systems, a Russian-owned killchain2server? Does Russian intelligence normally display such poor tradecraft?
3/ Why would Russian intelligence, for the purposes of hacking the election systems of Arizona and Illinois, book space on a Russian-owned server and then use only English, as documents furnished by Vladimir Fomenko, proprietor of Kings Servers, the company that owned the server in question, clearly indicate?
4/ Numerous reports ascribe the hacks to hacking groups known as APT 28 or “Fancy Bear” and APT 29 or “Cozy Bear.” But these groups had already been accused of nefarious actions on behalf of Russian intelligence prior to the hacks under discussion. Why would the Kremlin and its intelligence agencies select well-known groups to conduct a regime-change operation on the most powerful country on earth?
5/ It has been reported in the New York Times, without attribution, that U.S. intelligence has identified specific G.R.U. officials who directed the hacking. Is this true, and if so, please provide details (Witness should be sworn)
6/ The joint statement issued by the DNI and DHS on October 7 2016 confirmed that US intelligence had no evidence of official Russian involvement in the leak of hacked documents to Wikileaks, etc, saying only that the leaks were “consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts.” Has the US acquired any evidence whatsoever since that time regarding Russian involvement in the leaks?
7/ Since the most effective initiative in tipping the election to Donald Trump was the intervention of FBI Director Comey, are you investigating any possible connections he might have to Russian intelligence and Vladimir Putin?
I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.
All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo). Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
People forget the massive number of Bernie supporters that were "Never Hillary" and didn't vote for her. Those email hacks only solidified voters' decisions who weren't HRC supporters anyway.
Newsflash: Russia didn't interfere, what we have here is the 2 worst candidates and one of them had to win... even when thousands of voters wouldn't vote for either pres. candidates, only down ballot.
I'm very comfortable laying full blame on the "Never Hillary Bernie Bros."
I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.
All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo). Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
People forget the massive number of Bernie supporters that were "Never Hillary" and didn't vote for her. Those email hacks only solidified voters' decisions who weren't HRC supporters anyway.
Newsflash: Russia didn't interfere, what we have here is the 2 worst candidates and one of them had to win... even when thousands of voters wouldn't vote for either pres. candidates, only down ballot.
I'm not forgetting them (but FWIW, you have absolutely no clue how many there were). Despite that, Clinton would have won if it hadn't been for those email hacks and how they (and how they were covered) influenced voters.
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I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.
All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo). Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
People forget the massive number of Bernie supporters that were "Never Hillary" and didn't vote for her. Those email hacks only solidified voters' decisions who weren't HRC supporters anyway.
Newsflash: Russia didn't interfere, what we have here is the 2 worst candidates and one of them had to win... even when thousands of voters wouldn't vote for either pres. candidates, only down ballot.
I'm very comfortable laying full blame on the "Never Hillary Bernie Bros."
There are many reasons why she lost. If you are laying full blame on any single one of them you are making a mistake.
^^^ A major reason she lost was because she was up against a person that had an ability to take the lib/radlib rose coloured glasses off of her followers and they were blinded. President-elect Trump deserves this win.
I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.
All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo). Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
Remember remember the 9 of November? The sky was falling, every non white would be deported, harassing women would be the norm, stocks would plummet and earth would implode.
BTW those memes aren't created by me, I'm too stupid to think of that stuff, I just get them from MySpace.
And I wasn't responsible for single one of those memes. What's your excuse for pasting them constantly? Disseminating them is just as bad as creating them. Probably worse. Nothing has improved since Nov 9th btw. Actually, things are going even worse than anyone expected so far.
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Sorry, anyone denying that the DNC hack/Podesta emails had no effect on the election is either a liar or in denial. It's ludicrous to suggest they had no impact, given the blanket coverage they got and the very specific smear campaigns against Clinton based primarily on those emails. An it is even more ridiculous that the ones who were flipping out about the emails the whole time and attempting to use them as evidence that Clinton is corrupt and evil, despite a complete lack of any actual content that was damning, are now the ones trying to insist that the emails had no impact and declaring that there is no proof that they had any effect. It's absurd.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Really still talking about HC forget her just keep your eye on Bafoon and his Russian connections .
HRC supporters will blame everyone they can but HRC herself and her shitty campaign.
There is a lot to learn here.
Is there a single person on these boards who lays absolutely no responsibility on her campaign or who suggests her campaign was great? Just because she didn't run a great campaign, it doesn't mean she would have lost if it weren't for the email hack and the coverage it got, along with Comey's letter. The election was very close, and it is more than reasonable to assume that that small margin would have been made up for without the emails and the Comey letters, which 100% dominated the news in the months and weeks and days leading up to the election. BTW, you are at least just as guilty of what you are accusing others of. You are absolutely refusing to acknowledge that these factors may have been the difference between winning and losing. You are insisting that it was the Clinton campaign and nothing more than that.
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Really still talking about HC forget her just keep your eye on Bafoon and his Russian connections .
Eyes on all of it, not just Russia.
First order of business: strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding so they are forced to reduce services to women who need health care. Pass federal regulations restricting access to abortion, or like Texas, require women to hold funerals for the embryos they miscarry.
Second: Backdoor deals for oil companies with gas prices skyrocketing.
Third: Cut environmental regulations putting species at risk, open up federal lands and offshore for drilling.
Fourth: Dismantle Affordable Care Act, replace it with "private health savings accounts" so nobody can afford health care.
Fifth: Dismantle Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.Replace them with nothing.
Sixth: Increase military spending in order to "bomb ISIS from the face of the earth," starting massive new war in Middle East and possibly Asia.
Seventh: Appoint life-time justices to the Supreme Court, all middle aged people with many years to preside, who will vote every time in favor of corporate or bigoted interests.
ETC., ETC. . .
This will not happen overnight. It will be a four-year reign of terror with one blow followed by the other. How can any "Never Hillary Bernie Bros" think this reality is equal to or better than what she would have brought us?
I don't give a shit about why or how she lost. She lost, and we're fucked, and we STILL have people believing "it will be okay." NO. IT. WON'T.
I do give a shit about how and why she lost because it is a mistake we can't afford to repeat. There are lessons to be learned while we push back against Trump. We can either learn them or ignore them.
You seem to not understand when special prosecutors are necessary. The DNC is a private organization and they have the capacity to sue Russia if they would like. John Podesta could sue as well but having fallen for a basic phishing scam I am not sure how that would play out. Also I am not certain the DNC and Podesta want to be open to discovery because it might reveal a level of incompetence that they just don't want to admit and/or it might link back to non-secure servers that may have provided backdoor entry to the DNC network. At the moment though there is no evidence that somebody within government colluded to aid Russia or direct Russia in the hack so this doesn't warrant a special prosecutor in any way shape or form. People can shout for one if they would like but it will be like wasting a challenge in the first inning. It will go nowhere and it will reduce the opportunity to call for one later as people will just tune the screamers out. You really should save your phony outrage for something real.
You seem to think when they are or are not necessary as it suits you and your bias. A special prosecutor could subpoena FBI and CIA documents and interview the players, under oath and behind closed doors and then issue a report making recommendations as to whether charges should be filed. Candidate Trump repeatedly made claims of a "rigged" election, against him no less, openly advocated for and celebrated the hacking of Clinton's and Podesta's emails and then turned around and appointed a "friend" of Putin to be SOS. I'd like to know and the American people deserve to know the following:
1. Was Trump aware the Russians were hacking into the DNC, Clinton's and Podesta's email servers? If so, when did he know it? 2. Was there communication between Trump's campaign team and Russian operatives during the campaign? 3. Do any of Trump's business concerns receive funding/loans from Russian banks or individuals? If so, how much and from where and from whom? 4. Was a deal between Trump and Putin/Russia made for the release of DNC emails and an appointment of a pro-Russia/Russia friendly SOS? 5. Follow the money and let the investigation go where it may.
If there is no "there" there, then Trump should have no problem being interviewed under oath, turning over documents and servers and making his inner circle available as well. The DNC and Podesta have already been exposed, claiming an investigation might embarrass them further as grounds for not investigating is ridiculous. This isn't about the DNC, or making Hillary president. This is about an unfriendly foreign power meddling in our democracy and a potential quid pro quo and potential treason. How can Trump take the oath of office if any of what I'd like answers to are true? For someone who was so upset about the annexation of Crimea, you sure don't seem to have a problem with this sudden coziness to Putin, Putin, Putin. There are known knowns. There are known unknowns. And, of course, there are unknown unknowns.
Really still talking about HC forget her just keep your eye on Bafoon and his Russian connections .
HRC supporters will blame everyone they can but HRC herself and her shitty campaign.
There is a lot to learn here.
Is there a single person on these boards who lays absolutely no responsibility on her campaign or who suggests her campaign was great? Just because she didn't run a great campaign, it doesn't mean she would have lost if it weren't for the email hack and the coverage it got, along with Comey's letter. The election was very close, and it is more than reasonable to assume that that small margin would have been made up for without the emails and the Comey letters, which 100% dominated the news in the months and weeks and days leading up to the election. BTW, you are at least just as guilty of what you are accusing others of. You are absolutely refusing to acknowledge that these factors may have been the difference between winning and losing. You are insisting that it was the Clinton campaign and nothing more than that.
I do give a shit about how and why she lost because it is a mistake we can't afford to repeat. There are lessons to be learned while we push back against Trump. We can either learn them or ignore them.
For sure.
I must say Jimmy, you have been very much on point...about all of this post election business. Good stuff.
Really still talking about HC forget her just keep your eye on Bafoon and his Russian connections .
HRC supporters will blame everyone they can but HRC herself and her shitty campaign.
There is a lot to learn here.
You are insisting that it was the Clinton campaign and nothing more than that.
Yes, they were that bad. A sexual predator they could not beat.
Uuuhhhh.... very likely because of the emails and Comey, along with the Trump fear mongering and lying. Again, I know it wasn't a good campaign, but FYI, them losing isn't proof that they lost just because their campaign wasn't great. And the fact that a "bad campaign" could make people vote for a sexual predator isn't really a statement about the Clinton campaign as much as it is a statement about the people who were willing to vote for a sexual predator. I think it's pretty disturbing how some are blaming a Trump win on Clinton and Clinton alone.... it ignores all the very serious and real issues that are raised by the fact that so many were willing to vote for Trump. This seems like more denial to me.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I do give a shit about how and why she lost because it is a mistake we can't afford to repeat. There are lessons to be learned while we push back against Trump. We can either learn them or ignore them.
For sure.
I must say Jimmy, you have been very much on point...about all of this post election business. Good stuff.
Thanks, man. Anger must agree with me.
In my wildest dreams I never seriously thought America would elect Donald Trump. Yet here we are.
I do give a shit about how and why she lost because it is a mistake we can't afford to repeat. There are lessons to be learned while we push back against Trump. We can either learn them or ignore them.
ALL of the reasons she lost were well known BEFORE she lost. We don't need to spend more weeks, months, and years reviewing why people didn't like Hillary Clinton enough to vote for her. She's been dealt this crap her entire political life, people criticizing and sabotaging her work and character because of whatever perceived threat she poses. This time it just happened to be the Russians. So the fuck what.
I get it that you're angry. I'm angry. But I'm not going to continue to tear down the candidate and party who lost. That's exactly how she lost -- internal strife and petty picking apart, all instigated by the assholes who are about to rob America blind of every last resource we've got left. Their strategy was divide and conquer, and it worked. Now they are about to take it all while liberals sit around and wonder how it happened. Wake up. It's obvious how it happened. I'm pretty sure we figured out in 2000 how it happened. And it fucking happened again, even though Bernie Sanders himself warned his bros that we can't let it.
I do give a shit about how and why she lost because it is a mistake we can't afford to repeat. There are lessons to be learned while we push back against Trump. We can either learn them or ignore them.
ALL of the reasons she lost were well known BEFORE she lost. We don't need to spend more weeks, months, and years reviewing why people didn't like Hillary Clinton enough to vote for her. She's been dealt this crap her entire political life, people criticizing and sabotaging her work and character because of whatever perceived threat she poses. This time it just happened to be the Russians. So the fuck what.
I get it that you're angry. I'm angry. But I'm not going to continue to tear down the candidate and party who lost. That's exactly how she lost -- internal strife and petty picking apart, all instigated by the assholes who are about to rob America blind of every last resource we've got left. Their strategy was divide and conquer . . . And they won and now they are about to take it all while liberals sit around and wonder how it happened. Wake up. It's obvious how it happened.
Don't forget that there was no platform either. That's probably the most important thing for democrats to figure out going forward.
Something here just isn't right. If they have damning info then why not appear before the committee?
That's why we need an independent prosecutor to look into this. Maybe US intelligence agencies have been compromised by Russia,Russia,Russia!!! Maybe they, US intel, stuck it to Hillary???
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It is being reported that John Podesta, Chairman of the defeated $1.2 billion Clinton presidential campaign, is supporting the call by various officials, including at least forty Electors, that the members of the Electoral College be given a classified intelligence briefing on the alleged Russian hacking before the College votes on December 19.
In the event such a briefing comes to pass, it might be helpful if the Electors had some informed questions to ask the CIA.
1/ The DNC hackers inserted the name of the founder of Russian intelligence, in Russian, in the metadata of the hacked documents. Why would the G.R.U., Russian military intelligence do that?
2/ If the hackers were indeed part of Russian intelligence, why did they use a free Russian email account, or, in the hack of the state election systems, a Russian-owned killchain2server? Does Russian intelligence normally display such poor tradecraft?
3/ Why would Russian intelligence, for the purposes of hacking the election systems of Arizona and Illinois, book space on a Russian-owned server and then use only English, as documents furnished by Vladimir Fomenko, proprietor of Kings Servers, the company that owned the server in question, clearly indicate?
4/ Numerous reports ascribe the hacks to hacking groups known as APT 28 or “Fancy Bear” and APT 29 or “Cozy Bear.” But these groups had already been accused of nefarious actions on behalf of Russian intelligence prior to the hacks under discussion. Why would the Kremlin and its intelligence agencies select well-known groups to conduct a regime-change operation on the most powerful country on earth?
5/ It has been reported in the New York Times, without attribution, that U.S. intelligence has identified specific G.R.U. officials who directed the hacking. Is this true, and if so, please provide details (Witness should be sworn)
6/ The joint statement issued by the DNI and DHS on October 7 2016 confirmed that US intelligence had no evidence of official Russian involvement in the leak of hacked documents to Wikileaks, etc, saying only that the leaks were “consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts.” Has the US acquired any evidence whatsoever since that time regarding Russian involvement in the leaks?
7/ Since the most effective initiative in tipping the election to Donald Trump was the intervention of FBI Director Comey, are you investigating any possible connections he might have to Russian intelligence and Vladimir Putin?
All I know is that President-elect Trump by all rights and accounts in mainstream media should not have won.
Now we still have mainstream media trying to find a way to make him "un-win"
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Oh, boy.
Would've won huh?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
A major reason she lost was because she was up against a person that had an ability to take the lib/radlib rose coloured glasses off of her followers and they were blinded.
President-elect Trump deserves this win.
Nothing has improved since Nov 9th btw. Actually, things are going even worse than anyone expected so far.
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It is very annoying to read, read, read.
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Trump, Trump, Trump
There is a lot to learn here.
Just because she didn't run a great campaign, it doesn't mean she would have lost if it weren't for the email hack and the coverage it got, along with Comey's letter. The election was very close, and it is more than reasonable to assume that that small margin would have been made up for without the emails and the Comey letters, which 100% dominated the news in the months and weeks and days leading up to the election.
BTW, you are at least just as guilty of what you are accusing others of. You are absolutely refusing to acknowledge that these factors may have been the difference between winning and losing. You are insisting that it was the Clinton campaign and nothing more than that.
First order of business: strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding so they are forced to reduce services to women who need health care. Pass federal regulations restricting access to abortion, or like Texas, require women to hold funerals for the embryos they miscarry.
Second: Backdoor deals for oil companies with gas prices skyrocketing.
Third: Cut environmental regulations putting species at risk, open up federal lands and offshore for drilling.
Fourth: Dismantle Affordable Care Act, replace it with "private health savings accounts" so nobody can afford health care.
Fifth: Dismantle Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.Replace them with nothing.
Sixth: Increase military spending in order to "bomb ISIS from the face of the earth," starting massive new war in Middle East and possibly Asia.
Seventh: Appoint life-time justices to the Supreme Court, all middle aged people with many years to preside, who will vote every time in favor of corporate or bigoted interests.
ETC., ETC. . .
This will not happen overnight. It will be a four-year reign of terror with one blow followed by the other. How can any "Never Hillary Bernie Bros" think this reality is equal to or better than what she would have brought us?
I don't give a shit about why or how she lost. She lost, and we're fucked, and we STILL have people believing "it will be okay." NO. IT. WON'T.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
A sexual predator they could not beat.
I must say Jimmy, you have been very much on point...about all of this post election business. Good stuff.
I think it's pretty disturbing how some are blaming a Trump win on Clinton and Clinton alone.... it ignores all the very serious and real issues that are raised by the fact that so many were willing to vote for Trump. This seems like more denial to me.
In my wildest dreams I never seriously thought America would elect Donald Trump. Yet here we are.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html
A full, full, full investigation might be required.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/14/intel-panel-nixes-briefing-on-alleged-russian-interference-in-us-election-after-resistance.html
Something here just isn't right. If they have damning info then why not appear before the committee?
I get it that you're angry. I'm angry. But I'm not going to continue to tear down the candidate and party who lost. That's exactly how she lost -- internal strife and petty picking apart, all instigated by the assholes who are about to rob America blind of every last resource we've got left. Their strategy was divide and conquer, and it worked. Now they are about to take it all while liberals sit around and wonder how it happened. Wake up. It's obvious how it happened. I'm pretty sure we figured out in 2000 how it happened. And it fucking happened again, even though Bernie Sanders himself warned his bros that we can't let it.
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