Our poor children. Trump's EPA pick.

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  • BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    BS44325 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    If you're rich, there's nothing to worry about

    Higher energy prices primarily hurt the poor. We are seeing this bigly in Ontario and all across Canada. Your new EPA director will help bring these prices down.
    exactly, and that's why i'm focusing my efforts on being rich.
    Well you will have a better chance of improving your lot starting next month. Good luck but recognize that wealth does not come without effort. All government can do is attempt to eliminate the barriers in your way.
    And which of trump's policies are such a guarantee that we'll be able to improve our lot?
    There are no guarantees.
    I'll clarify. What policies will make us have a "better chance" to improve our lot?
    This is an EPA thread so let's stick with energy policy at the moment. A pro-energy administration will reduce burdensome regulations on energy related businesses and those landowners who wish to unleash the wealth of their lands. This in turn will result in an increase in employment in energy related services and will lower energy prices across the country which in turn lowers the prices around the globe. Energy price is built into the cost of every good sold so a decrease in the prices of all agriculture and commercial goods will be seen as well. Lastly an increase in reliable homegrown energy will also reduce the reliance on foreign energy sources which will improve the US position when it comes to making foreign policy decisions. So, to sum up, a government that isn't at odds with the energy industry will give you a "better chance" to imorove your lot.
    None of that "savings" trickles down to the shareholders first?

    http://news.exxonmobil.com/press-release/exxonmobil-earns-17-billion-second-quarter-2016
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  • See any names that might seem the least bit familiar?

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/XOM/holders?p=XOM

    Russia, Russia, Russia!
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  • Just a little guy looking out for the average folk.

    http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/qind/

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  • JC29856 said:

    maybe but the EPA is powerless anyway and has been for years.
    the best and brightest go work for the corps not the epa. no budget plus when push comes to shove they move out of the way.

    Actually, for the last 8 years, the EPA has had a LOT of authority and power.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Drill Baby Drill
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Let's milk this fucker for every dollar we can get
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
  • BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
  • BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
  • BS won't read Exxon/Mobil's shareholder report. Their profits are way down in the last quarter over the previous but way, way, way down over same time last year. CEO got out while the getting was good, good, good. NA operations suffered due to Canada, Canada,Canada or is it Russia, Russia, Russia?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Trump Adviser Questions Climate Change, Cites ‘5,500 Year History’ of Earth

    I’m saying people have gotten things wrong throughout the 5,500-year history of our planet.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/12/trump-adviser-rejects-climate-change-cites-5500-year-history-earth/
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    dignin said:

    Trump Adviser Questions Climate Change, Cites ‘5,500 Year History’ of Earth

    I’m saying people have gotten things wrong throughout the 5,500-year history of our planet.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/12/trump-adviser-rejects-climate-change-cites-5500-year-history-earth/

    :anguished: That's nutty as hell. And I can't believe Chris Cuomo just let it slide. I'm sure he was thinking about the next question he was going to ask rather than paying attention to the answer being given. I would have loved a follow-up question regarding the 5,500 year history of the planet. What a fucking nut job.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    jeffbr said:

    dignin said:

    Trump Adviser Questions Climate Change, Cites ‘5,500 Year History’ of Earth

    I’m saying people have gotten things wrong throughout the 5,500-year history of our planet.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/12/trump-adviser-rejects-climate-change-cites-5500-year-history-earth/

    :anguished: That's nutty as hell. And I can't believe Chris Cuomo just let it slide. I'm sure he was thinking about the next question he was going to ask rather than paying attention to the answer being given. I would have loved a follow-up question regarding the 5,500 year history of the planet. What a fucking nut job.
    I know, it feels like the world has gone mad.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited December 2016
    A guy like that should be shouting from a street corner, not helping the next president transition.

    edit: now that I read that....not that kind of transition :)
    Post edited by dignin on
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
  • BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    With certitude, certitude, certitude too, to, two.
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  • BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    The members of the media, media, media have spoken!

    http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

    I'll accept this consensus over that of your one, lone "esteemed" professor who blogs.
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  • BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    Care to back up the "bad science" claim you're making? And what useless policies are there that are useless, useless, useless. What a drone, drone, drone.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    My wife is a scientist, and lot's of my friends are scientists. In fact, she just got her PhD last week.

    I've picked up enough from being around them to know you're talking out of you arse.

    The science is clear, and there is no point in arguing with someone who pretends they have more expertise and knowledge than the people who dedicate theirs lives studying climate.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    My wife is a scientist, and lot's of my friends are scientists. In fact, she just got her PhD last week.

    I've picked up enough from being around them to know you're talking out of you arse.

    The science is clear, and there is no point in arguing with someone who pretends they have more expertise and knowledge than the people who dedicate theirs lives studying climate.
    The science is clear that climate change is occuring and that man contributes to that change. That is all it knows. I can't imagine your wife or your friends can prove anything else.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Obama's EPA stifled industry and funded boondoggles like Solyndra to theoretically combat climate change while losing focus of it's main mission resulting in massive scandals like the Gold King Mine disaster and the Flint water crisis.

    http://www.daily-times.com/story/news/local/navajo-nation/2016/12/05/tribe-files-federal-tort-claim-mine-spill/95020404/

    http://m.gazette.com/supreme-court-asks-us-governments-view-on-colorado-mine-spill-suit/article/1591121

    http://time.com/4190643/flint-water-crisis-susan-hedman-epa/

    Heckuva job Barry

    Time to make the EPA great again
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that our impact on climate change may not be negative? I'm not a scientist, but if the arctic is melting, temperatures are rising, ozone is being depleted and it correlates to the post industrial revolution period, how is our impact not bad?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Drill Baby Drill

    Damn straight!
    Right into the international market it will go! Woot?
    Banking on a quick Keystone approval to help out the homeland!
    Considering Exxon/Mobil's profits in Canada were down substantially, I'm not surprised, surprised, surprised.
    It's time to end the biggest fake news story in the history of mankind.
    How so?
    Climate change denier.
    Nope. My position has been made clear countless times. The media is filled with people that has no understanding of science and reports things that science does not yet know. This leaves most of you unfortunate souls completely uneducated on the topic. It's not your fault really but you have a religious adherence to a theory that just isn't as fully fleshed out. Science knows that climate changes and it knows that man contributes to that change but that's all it knows. It knows nothing of degree or of the other variables that interact and/or come into play. It also knows very little about biofeedback mechanisms that are able to adjust and/or regulate climate. Much is based on computer models that continue to fail in their predictions and unworkable ineffective policy is being crafted based on these predictions. It is one giant mass of useless policy based on bad science. It is time for the environmental industrial complex to be set right.
    My wife is a scientist, and lot's of my friends are scientists. In fact, she just got her PhD last week.

    I've picked up enough from being around them to know you're talking out of you arse.

    The science is clear, and there is no point in arguing with someone who pretends they have more expertise and knowledge than the people who dedicate theirs lives studying climate.
    The science is clear that climate change is occuring and that man contributes to that change. That is all it knows. I can't imagine your wife or your friends can prove anything else.
    But it, science, doesn't know how to mitigate the causes of said climate change? This is the weakest defense I think I've ever seen you posit. But your being a Rick Perry champion will do that to you. Allah fucking help us.
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  • Well, the republifuck governor could have done something about Flint, right? Being all about state's rights and all. But yea, it's all Barry's fault. But for only 37 more days.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    tbergs said:

    If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that our impact on climate change may not be negative? I'm not a scientist, but if the arctic is melting, temperatures are rising, ozone is being depleted and it correlates to the post industrial revolution period, how is our impact not bad?

    I am not saying that it is not bad. I am saying that science hasn't answered that question yet. There are many variables (some that we may not even know of) that contribute to climate change (including carbon emissions) but science has not been able to separate these variables from each other in order to measure the degree of impact of each variable. Now you mention arctic melting and temperature increases as a measured outcomes and what science tells us is that correlation is not causation. What that means is we can't with certainty lay those outcomes at the feet of carbon emissions alone. In a vacuum we could as science understands what a continued increase in carbon will do but the fact is that the earth is not a vacuum. In some ways the earth is like the human body which we know has its own biofeedback mechanisms which allow it to regulate temperature i.e. when we overheat we sweat etc. We know trees and ocean algea are able to absorb carbon and there is some thought that the earth can regulate both temperature and carbon emissions as it is a naturally occuring element after all. Also we know for a fact that carbon emissions have continued to increase and yet computer models predicted much higher temperatures based on this increase which to date we have not seen. This means that the correlation between emissions and temperature is not as direct as science predicted and there must be other variables at play. All this doesn't mean that our actions aren't "bad" but it is quite possible that our actions on the carbon front might actually turn out to be negligible and I know it sounds crazy but there is a school of thought which says that carbon emissions might in fact be beneficial as it theoretically could result in increase foliage and crop yields. Now I don't necessarily believe that myself but my point is that science really hasn't figured this all out yet. The earth is a very complicated planet and climate science is an extremely complicated field...layer on top of that extra-terrestrial variables such as solar radiation etc. and we truly have no idea what makes our climate change.
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