Electoral Coupe de Etat, Yes/No?

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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Yes
    https://yahoo.com/news/electoral-college-petition-now-largest-114108375.html
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    The headline itself should make anyone stop reading immediately.
    .org stuff is for radlib protesters
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Yes
    you owe us anyway Ohio. we havent forgotten 04.
    cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/12/its_not_too_late_for_electoral.html
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Yes
    it really is time some of you start supporting me on this
    addictinginfo.org/2016/12/10/breaking-u-s-intelligence-confirms-russia-hacked-the-election-to-help-trump-win-video/
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    vaggar99 said:

    it really is time some of you start supporting me on this
    addictinginfo.org/2016/12/10/breaking-u-s-intelligence-confirms-russia-hacked-the-election-to-help-trump-win-video/

    No, it isn't. First of all, an article that states that Trump is "scared out of his tiny little mind" goes down several notches in credibility. Second of all, you've yet to explain why Trump legally should not be permitted as President, except by referencing the Emoluments Clause which we can't know the applicability until Election Day given legal ties between Trump and his organizations may take place before then. Finally, unless Russian interference to skew results can be quantified (as in how many votes per State should have been Clinton) as opposed to this vague "Russians hacked the election" with no comment on whether this delta would have skewed the per-State results, the Electoral College has an obligation to respect the will of its State's votes. If the scope of the manipulation is considered great enough, a re-vote should take place - again, the EC has no part in this.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    You're fighting the good fight, benjs. You're much stronger than I. I gave up weeks ago on showing that, while Trump is a pretty terrible guy, there is nothing based in fact or legality that should keep him from being sworn in.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,893
    edited December 2016
    No
    As scary as you think trump is, your vote not counting and someone who wasn't elected becoming president is a lot scarier.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Yes
    it's not just me, Michael Moore says it too
    learnprogress.org/moore-predicts-stop-trump/
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    vaggar99 said:

    it's not just me, Michael Moore says it too
    learnprogress.org/moore-predicts-stop-trump/

    First, I have to comment on another finely written piece: "Moore thinks Trump the electors will deny Trump because he got walloped so bad in the popular vote". Come again? Second, he's Michael Moore, not Nostradamus. I'm very glad you and Michael Moore share the same hope, but hope is not a plan. Third - what does Michael Moore say that you feel you're saying too?
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    EV
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  • cottagesteeze
    cottagesteeze St. Paul, MN Posts: 218
    No
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    The headline itself should make anyone stop reading immediately.
    .org stuff is for radlib protesters

    Ah, we have now spotted the alt-right nickname of the week for the week of December 12: radlib.
    December 5: Snowflake
    Novermber 28: SJW
    Novermber 21: Libtard
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Yes
    Robert Reich leading the charge:
    https://facebook.com/RBReich/videos/vb.142474049098533/1401181323227793/?type=3
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    vaggar99 said:

    it's not just me, Michael Moore says it too
    learnprogress.org/moore-predicts-stop-trump/

    Well then. LOL. I don't know that I would ever use him to reinforce a claim.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    unsung said:

    vaggar99 said:

    it's not just me, Michael Moore says it too
    learnprogress.org/moore-predicts-stop-trump/

    Well then. LOL. I don't know that I would ever use him to reinforce a claim.
    Well, he was right about the election.
    In any case, Moore is far from the only one contemplating the possibility that the electoral college will not allow Trump to become president. It is certainly an option, however unlikely oe thinks the electoral college doing that might be. We'll all just have to wait and see.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Anyone that doesn't vote as intended will be removed and replaced by the party. I'm not saying it is right, but that is my prediction.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    Yes
    At first I thought it was a horrible idea...

    But these cabinet picks do not seem to be made in good faith. He is handing wolves keys to the hen house. Blatantly. It doesn't seem like he is taking the position seriously, and honestly, I am becoming a bit worried.

    This administration is already making GW Bush look like JFK
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,391
    MayDay10 said:

    At first I thought it was a horrible idea...

    But these cabinet picks do not seem to be made in good faith. He is handing wolves keys to the hen house. Blatantly. It doesn't seem like he is taking the position seriously, and honestly, I am becoming a bit worried.

    This administration is already making GW Bush look like JFK

    As worrisome as the cabinet picks are, more worrisome would be the already-divided public's reaction to this proposed Electoral College initiative, which would really send a message that the public has less power to choose than ever before. Keep in mind how disgusted the public was when the superdelegates in the DNC primaries took the initiative to overwhelmingly side with Clinton (which is private and unregulated, unlike the election itself). If this happens from the Electoral College, I fear serious unrest from the public. To me, the only truly safe option would be to identify Constitutional grounds for Trump's dismissal, and I don't see that happening easily.
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    EV
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    No
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    vaggar99 said:

    it's not just me, Michael Moore says it too
    learnprogress.org/moore-predicts-stop-trump/

    Well then. LOL. I don't know that I would ever use him to reinforce a claim.
    Well, he was right about the election.
    In any case, Moore is far from the only one contemplating the possibility that the electoral college will not allow Trump to become president. It is certainly an option, however unlikely oe thinks the electoral college doing that might be. We'll all just have to wait and see.
    21 states have it as law that the delegate cannot legally go against the electorate. so that leaves a very small window. it won't happen.

    although I also said Trump wouldn't even win the primary! LOL
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,862
    Yes
    benjs said:

    MayDay10 said:

    At first I thought it was a horrible idea...

    But these cabinet picks do not seem to be made in good faith. He is handing wolves keys to the hen house. Blatantly. It doesn't seem like he is taking the position seriously, and honestly, I am becoming a bit worried.

    This administration is already making GW Bush look like JFK

    As worrisome as the cabinet picks are, more worrisome would be the already-divided public's reaction to this proposed Electoral College initiative, which would really send a message that the public has less power to choose than ever before. Keep in mind how disgusted the public was when the superdelegates in the DNC primaries took the initiative to overwhelmingly side with Clinton (which is private and unregulated, unlike the election itself). If this happens from the Electoral College, I fear serious unrest from the public. To me, the only truly safe option would be to identify Constitutional grounds for Trump's dismissal, and I don't see that happening easily.
    I am almost willing to chance that, as opposed to having an Exxon Mobil guy as Secretary of State, a Climate change/Science denier and as head of EPA (who he has sued), and a guy running Department of Energy who hates the Department of Energy (among others).
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    They can do a lot of damage in four years.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited December 2016
    MayDay10 said:

    At first I thought it was a horrible idea...

    But these cabinet picks do not seem to be made in good faith. He is handing wolves keys to the hen house. Blatantly. It doesn't seem like he is taking the position seriously, and honestly, I am becoming a bit worried.

    This administration is already making GW Bush look like JFK

    I agree. It almost seems like he is going out of his way to choose what I almost think of as caricatures of the worst possible choices for cabinet members. That SNL skit about Walter White being the head of the DEA was actually incredibly apt IMO; when I saw that I was like, "Yes!!! That is what he's doing!". The whole thing really has become beyond ridiculous, and Trump's cabinet choices seem to be either the choices of a madman, or choices that are actually being made out of sheer spite and also because he enjoys watching people squirm (since he is rotten to the core and enjoys that kind of thing). Either way, I think the electoral college has a pretty good basis for not approving his election into office because of those cuckoo-bananas cabinet choices (not to mention the unprecedented failure in terms of the popular vote, which perhaps addresses what benjs was saying and the public perception). I mean.... holy fuck, come on, you know?? Do you think maybe he's doing it to actually try and get the electoral college to reject him???? I find that hard to believe, but his behaviour almost makes me rethink that! It's crazy! :dizzy:
    And then his weirdo, smiley appearance and little chat with the media in the lobby of Trump Tower with Kanye West I saw on the new this morning, as Kanye stood next to him all stony-faced and crazy-looking, after spending weeks in a psychiatric hospital that was directly preceded by a nutzo declaration about supporting Trump .... That was a really bizarre little news moment.
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