Electoral Coupe de Etat, Yes/No?
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Yes
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:0 -
Yes
Now you're making me do research. I'll get back to you soonbenjs said:
vaggar99, I'd still appreciate an answer to my question. On what grounds would you call for an electoral coup d'état, and how would you justify a change of process applying retroactively?benjs said:
In what way, shape or form is there a valid case for an electoral coup d'état? An "unfit president" is too subjective a term to be used as grounds for throwing out the Democratic Election Rulebook unless a behaviour is proven to be blatantly unlawful or blatantly unconstitutional, and even then I couldn't tell you the process of having a citizen disqualified for sitting in the Oval Office.vaggar99 said:Alright folks. Its well established that DJT won the electoral college. However, Hillary is now up in the popular vote by close to 2 millions votes. The electoral college was partly established to serve a safeguard against a tainted election and perhaps an unfit candidate. I think there is more than a valid case for ELECTORAL COUPE DE ETAT. Get the ESP out of here!!!!!!!
Edit: You state that the Electoral College was partly established to safeguard against a tainted election, but it was also partially established so that skeptical individual states would not have to fear having their voices lost in the shuffle of the federal republic. The Electoral College aspires to alleviate that issue by putting a floor and ceiling on how much power one state can possess if the population densities became unequally distributed in the vast land mass of the USA (as they are today). To remove the Electoral College would be to go back on a bond made with each individual state which was necessary to actually unify the States and allow a federal governing body.0 -
Yes
I don't necessarily agree with that either. However, asking for a raise is a lot different at least in my mind then grabbing women by the vagina with zero invite.PJPOWER said:
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I would prefer some focus on establishing minimum requirements for being allowed to serve in the cabinet myself. There really should be some standards that the President's choices have to meet, and some restrictions that relate to conflicts of interest and a clear demonstration of the inability to serve all citizens and what not. You know, so that private business affiliates and white supremacists can't be in the cabinet, stuff like that. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think that someone who has never held public office should be allowed to run for President. I think support from voters on some level at some point should be a minimum requirement to run.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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No
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yes
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:0 -
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
No
not that phrase specifically, obviously.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yes
I should say 'I don't have a problem with existence of these groups so long as they operate within the law'PJ_Soul said:
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:0 -
You don't??? I sure do. You know, you're not obligated to show tolerance for intolerance, no matter what intolerant people try to tell you.vaggar99 said:
I should say 'I don't have a problem with existence of these groups so long as they operate within the law'PJ_Soul said:
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Your explicit statement was that "there is more than a valid case for ELECTORAL COUPE DE ETAT". The only question I asked was what that valid case was, to validate your conclusion. If you need to do research, it means you hadn't even thought about whether there's a logical argument to be made to reach the conclusion that you clearly want agreement on. That's no way to debate.vaggar99 said:
Now you're making me do research. I'll get back to you soonbenjs said:
vaggar99, I'd still appreciate an answer to my question. On what grounds would you call for an electoral coup d'état, and how would you justify a change of process applying retroactively?benjs said:
In what way, shape or form is there a valid case for an electoral coup d'état? An "unfit president" is too subjective a term to be used as grounds for throwing out the Democratic Election Rulebook unless a behaviour is proven to be blatantly unlawful or blatantly unconstitutional, and even then I couldn't tell you the process of having a citizen disqualified for sitting in the Oval Office.vaggar99 said:Alright folks. Its well established that DJT won the electoral college. However, Hillary is now up in the popular vote by close to 2 millions votes. The electoral college was partly established to serve a safeguard against a tainted election and perhaps an unfit candidate. I think there is more than a valid case for ELECTORAL COUPE DE ETAT. Get the ESP out of here!!!!!!!
Edit: You state that the Electoral College was partly established to safeguard against a tainted election, but it was also partially established so that skeptical individual states would not have to fear having their voices lost in the shuffle of the federal republic. The Electoral College aspires to alleviate that issue by putting a floor and ceiling on how much power one state can possess if the population densities became unequally distributed in the vast land mass of the USA (as they are today). To remove the Electoral College would be to go back on a bond made with each individual state which was necessary to actually unify the States and allow a federal governing body.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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There is no guarantee that if from the beginning of the campaigns popular vote was used, Hillary would have won the popular vote. Both would have campaigned differently, some Johnson or Stein voters may have voted differently.
Trump & Hillary campaigned with the rules being the electoral college. He won. Popular vote is irrelevant in our system.0 -
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Trust me. I do not like them. They make my skin crawl with their beautiful and perfect features. But they are allowed to exist.PJ_Soul said:
You don't??? I sure do. You know, you're not obligated to show tolerance for intolerance, no matter what intolerant people try to tell you.vaggar99 said:
I should say 'I don't have a problem with existence of these groups so long as they operate within the law'PJ_Soul said:
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:
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Yes
I posted an article about election fraud earlier. It's a start. At work right now can do too much fact findingbenjs said:
Your explicit statement was that "there is more than a valid case for ELECTORAL COUPE DE ETAT". The only question I asked was what that valid case was, to validate your conclusion. If you need to do research, it means you hadn't even thought about whether there's a logical argument to be made to reach the conclusion that you clearly want agreement on. That's no way to debate.vaggar99 said:
Now you're making me do research. I'll get back to you soonbenjs said:
vaggar99, I'd still appreciate an answer to my question. On what grounds would you call for an electoral coup d'état, and how would you justify a change of process applying retroactively?benjs said:
In what way, shape or form is there a valid case for an electoral coup d'état? An "unfit president" is too subjective a term to be used as grounds for throwing out the Democratic Election Rulebook unless a behaviour is proven to be blatantly unlawful or blatantly unconstitutional, and even then I couldn't tell you the process of having a citizen disqualified for sitting in the Oval Office.vaggar99 said:Alright folks. Its well established that DJT won the electoral college. However, Hillary is now up in the popular vote by close to 2 millions votes. The electoral college was partly established to serve a safeguard against a tainted election and perhaps an unfit candidate. I think there is more than a valid case for ELECTORAL COUPE DE ETAT. Get the ESP out of here!!!!!!!
Edit: You state that the Electoral College was partly established to safeguard against a tainted election, but it was also partially established so that skeptical individual states would not have to fear having their voices lost in the shuffle of the federal republic. The Electoral College aspires to alleviate that issue by putting a floor and ceiling on how much power one state can possess if the population densities became unequally distributed in the vast land mass of the USA (as they are today). To remove the Electoral College would be to go back on a bond made with each individual state which was necessary to actually unify the States and allow a federal governing body.0 -
At this point I wanna see how much he will screw the country up I'd rather see him fail then to be stopped at this juncture...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean you should feel obligated to say that you don't have a problem with their existence. We have just as much a right to oppose the existence of such groups as they have of existing (at least... I mean honestly, does right and wrong really not have ANY impact? I think it does. So does criminal activity, and it's not like white supremacist groups are on the up and up. They commit crimes regularly, usually violent ones. If you research crimes associated with white nationalist groups, you will get a shit load of results. Plus, whatever happened to the illegality of inciting hate?? Aren't there any laws that prevent the propagation of hate speech?? I thought there were... I guess not!).vaggar99 said:
Trust me. I do not like them. They make my skin crawl with their beautiful and perfect features. But they are allowed to exist.PJ_Soul said:
You don't??? I sure do. You know, you're not obligated to show tolerance for intolerance, no matter what intolerant people try to tell you.vaggar99 said:
I should say 'I don't have a problem with existence of these groups so long as they operate within the law'PJ_Soul said:
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Nojosevolution said:
At this point I wanna see how much he will screw the country up I'd rather see him fail then to be stopped at this juncture...
man but when people said they wanted Obama to fail they were racist...weird
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I say that to acknowledge them as a voting group that has a right to voice their opinion and perhaps even push for a seat at the table as they clearly have done in this election. Its now up to us to push this utter disgusting filth out.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you should feel obligated to say that you don't have a problem with their existence. We have just as much a right to oppose the existence of such groups as they have of existing (at least... I mean honestly, does right and wrong really not have ANY impact? I think it does. So does criminal activity, and it's not like white supremacist groups are on the up and up. They commit crimes regularly, usually violent ones. If you research crimes associated with white nationalist groups, you will get a shit load of results. Plus, whatever happened to the illegality of inciting hate?? Aren't there any laws that prevent the propagation of hate speech?? I thought there were... I guess not!).vaggar99 said:
Trust me. I do not like them. They make my skin crawl with their beautiful and perfect features. But they are allowed to exist.PJ_Soul said:
You don't??? I sure do. You know, you're not obligated to show tolerance for intolerance, no matter what intolerant people try to tell you.vaggar99 said:
I should say 'I don't have a problem with existence of these groups so long as they operate within the law'PJ_Soul said:
There is nothing wrong with expressing anger about white supremacists/white nationalists/alt-right.vaggar99 said:
You can choose to look at it that way. If you are offended by the phrase white supremacist, I'd find that odd. Because, I just consider a politically correct way to describe this group. That's all. That said I have posted some angry posts regarding theses groups. expressing my frsustration and fear. I can tell you the fear level is only growing.HughFreakingDillon said:
cause blanket insults are so much better than direct ones.vaggar99 said:
If you look through my posts, I avoid direct insults. I do believe there is white supremacist take over if the us occurring right now. I don't have a problem with theses groups. They have a right to a voice like anyone. But allowing a full on takeover? Not good. Unless maybe you are on that side. I am not. I have no firearms. That's scary.ledvedderman said:
You're well aware that you throw insults around, right? Like calling people who simply believe in the democratic process "white supremacists". You're aware you do that, right?vaggar99 said:
Entitlement of those who think that because they are great fans of a band they insult others. Entitlement of celebrities to molest women. I prefer to keep it under 140 charactersPJPOWER said:0 -
No
some of them were. not all of them. but you have to acknowledge that a very sizable portion hated obama simply for the colour of his skin. not unlike donald.pjalive21 said:josevolution said:At this point I wanna see how much he will screw the country up I'd rather see him fail then to be stopped at this juncture...
man but when people said they wanted Obama to fail they were racist...weird By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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Let's not forget how this got started: The Birther Movement. Perhaps some of the most racist shit I've seen in my entire life. Actually, it is the most racist shit I've lived through.HughFreakingDillon said:
some of them were. not all of them. but you have to acknowledge that a very sizable portion hated obama simply for the colour of his skin. not unlike donald.pjalive21 said:josevolution said:At this point I wanna see how much he will screw the country up I'd rather see him fail then to be stopped at this juncture...
man but when people said they wanted Obama to fail they were racist...weird0
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