Education

vaggar99

riley540 said:

Something that I think is a big issue is never discussed during elections.

College has become the biggest scam in the country and nobody seems to care. I went for 3 semesters and it was just political propaganda. And I was paying for an education.

Also, general education requirements need to go away. They are only a cash grab for the universities. It's basicallly high school all over again, but you pay thousands of dollars for it.

Make math optional. The number one reason for drop outs is algebra. No other country makes an English student take math.

At the end of the day, do things besides college, it is an outdated scam that's best interests are robbing people blind.

I cracked up when they exposed the "trump university scam" I laughed and said "haha! It's just like normal college!"

I'm pissed at the system

colleges/universities as a whole are a 'scam' in some respects. they continue to keep raising fees for the meal tickets they provide. the advent of the internet and the streaming age has exposed many of the flaws in the traditional brick/mortar university system.

that said, any education, particularly math/science is not a scam. i know many people who were liberal arts majors in college that ended up in semi-technical fields. trust me, that algebra will come in handy one day.

Free

Comforting for all parents and non-parents:

Betsy DeVos, Trump’s Pick for Education Secretary, Won’t Rule Out Defunding Public Schools

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/betsy-devos-trump-s-pick-education-secretary-won-t-rule-n708171?cid=sm_tw_nbcnews

vaggar99

Free said:

Comforting for all parents and non-parents:

Betsy DeVos, Trump’s Pick for Education Secretary, Won’t Rule Out Defunding Public Schools

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/betsy-devos-trump-s-pick-education-secretary-won-t-rule-n708171?cid=sm_tw_nbcnews

sounds like she will target inner city schools and probably leave the wealthy suburban schools alone. just a hunch though.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

JC29856

The subject of education, I know little about, I should know more. What I certainly don't understand is how come/why non public schools, colleges and universities are so unaffordable? Does it really need cost $4k a year for private grade schooling, $10k for private high schools and $40k for college and universities?

JC29856

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Not to go off topic but vaccinations and climate change topics are similar in that most just label any opposition as whacky, anti-vaxers, climate change deniers, without digging deeper into the discussion.

Example: climate change deniers-some people that are labeled climate change deniers don't actual deny climate change, they acknowledge it but don't think humans are a significant factor or a factor at all.
Anti-vaxers-some people are labeled anti-vaxers when they are only against vaccines that aren't warranted as safe and effective.

I know there are some that say climate change doesn't exist or all vaccines are bad harmful.

tbergs

I didn't watch the hearing, but it seems DeVos didn't really have any difficulty getting through it. Democrats tried to trip her up or just point out some lacking knowledge, but that could be done with any nominee.

Free

tbergs said:

I didn't watch the hearing, but it seems DeVos didn't really have any difficulty getting through it. Democrats tried to trip her up or just point out some lacking knowledge, but that could be done with any nominee.

It can be quite easy to not actually answer any questions.

Free

JC29856 said:

The subject of education, I know little about, I should know more. What I certainly don't understand is how come/why non public schools, colleges and universities are so unaffordable? Does it really need cost $4k a year for private grade schooling, $10k for private high schools and $40k for college and universities?

Profit's a bitch.

PJ_Soul

JC29856 said:

The subject of education, I know little about, I should know more. What I certainly don't understand is how come/why non public schools, colleges and universities are so unaffordable? Does it really need cost $4k a year for private grade schooling, $10k for private high schools and $40k for college and universities?

Well the question should really be why, in a so-called advanced society, are rich people allowed to buy a much better education for their children while the rest of America is stuck with a sub-par education system due to lack of funding and low teachers' salaries? Talk about ensuring that the rich get richer and the poor majority get poorer.

what dreams

DeVos has some troublesome viewpoints and obvious conflicts of interest. But I do find appealing her unfaltering position on local control of schools.

CM189191

what dreams said:

DeVos has some troublesome viewpoints and obvious conflicts of interest. But I do find appealing her unfaltering position on local control of schools.

and don't get me started on her brother

vaggar99

i don't understand the disdain for "free" public education many have. It's been a foundation of growth in the US for decades. You know where education is not free for all? Underdeveloped and impoverished nations.

catefrances

vaggar99 said:

i don't understand the disdain for "free" public education many have. It's been a foundation of growth in the US for decades. You know where education is not free for all? Underdeveloped and impoverished nations.

actually education is free in under developed and impoverished nations(if it exists at all) simply because the population has no money to pay for such a 'luxury'. and then of course we must ask ourselves why such nations consider education a 'luxury'. or is it that we in the privileged western world are the ones that consider education a luxury? but yes i agree with your not understanding the disdain for public education. isnt it a right for the populace to be educated? dont people want ALL children to be educated equally? in a so called democratic nation dont ALL children deserve equal opportunity to education? if you dont think education should be available equally to ALL children , why dont you? what makes you think that education should be considered a commodity, available only to those with the fiscal means to access it and to be run at a profit? do we not want a populace that is educated and engaged or do we simply want a populace that provides fodder for whatever society requires of it without any agency of itself to decide its future, and that of its nation?

mace1229

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

While I'm sure there's some wackos who believe that, I have never heard that taught, discussed or preached in any religious group. That number is much, much less than tens of millions who actually believe that. Maybe more like just tens.

jeffbr

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

While I'm sure there's some wackos who believe that, I have never heard that taught, discussed or preached in any religious group. That number is much, much less than tens of millions who actually believe that. Maybe more like just tens.

1 in 10 Americans are Young Earth types. 1 in 10 Americans are dolts. That is more than 30 million, so tens of millions is accurate.

Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.?
"In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded."

dignin

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

While I'm sure there's some wackos who believe that, I have never heard that taught, discussed or preached in any religious group. That number is much, much less than tens of millions who actually believe that. Maybe more like just tens.

1 in 10 Americans are Young Earth types. 1 in 10 Americans are dolts. That is more than 30 million, so tens of millions is accurate.

Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.?
"In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded."

Ouch.

mace1229

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

While I'm sure there's some wackos who believe that, I have never heard that taught, discussed or preached in any religious group. That number is much, much less than tens of millions who actually believe that. Maybe more like just tens.

1 in 10 Americans are Young Earth types. 1 in 10 Americans are dolts. That is more than 30 million, so tens of millions is accurate.

Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.?
"In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded."

"Young earth creationist" and believing that the devil planted fossils to trick humans are not even close to the same thing.
ouch.

If what was said was that tens of millions don't believe the earth is hundrends of millions years old, I would not have argue that. That was not what was said. What was said is "tens of millions believe the devil planted fossils" and to reference the number of "young earth creationists" as proof of that number is just plain wrong, and quite frankly either an intentional misrepresentation of what you are trying to cite, or just plain ignorant. You chose.

I'll repeat myself; ouch.

jeffbr

mace1229 said:

jeffbr said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

Some parents don't want their kids vaccinated. They sure know what's best for their kids, eh?

People aren't experts just because they are parents and have maybe listened to a few opinions. The experts might know a little more than the average joe.

Tens of millions of parents believe that fossils are a trick by the devil to make the faithless doubt the bible...
Do they know what's best for their kids?

While I'm sure there's some wackos who believe that, I have never heard that taught, discussed or preached in any religious group. That number is much, much less than tens of millions who actually believe that. Maybe more like just tens.

1 in 10 Americans are Young Earth types. 1 in 10 Americans are dolts. That is more than 30 million, so tens of millions is accurate.

Just How Many Young-Earth Creationists Are There in the U.S.?
"In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded."

"Young earth creationist" and believing that the devil planted fossils to trick humans are not even close to the same thing.
ouch.

Not even close to the same thing? Well, ALL of the latter are the former. So the question is, how many of the former are the latter? They are absolutely linked. One has to be a young earther to even entertain the notion of the devil and dinosaur bones. How else do young earthers explain dinosaurs? Oh, that's right. Many young earthers think that good Ol' Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark, and the dinos communed with man. That still falls into the dolt category. Ouch.

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