Education

WhatYouTaughtMe

tbergs said:

I would expand that political views or association influences and permeates well past college and into the workforce. It would be impossible for it not to affect how a business is run or for the most part what type of person works for said business. Certain careers, like college faculty, will always be more liberal overall because that's part of their purpose; expanding viewpoints, critical analysis and challenging the norm, while trade workers have more of a focused straight forward approach, no nonsense if you prefer.

I'd agree with some of that, but the original post makes it sound like the higher education system is a huge ripoff that only serves as a liberal propaganda machine. I don't see it.

riley540

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

tbergs said:

I would expand that political views or association influences and permeates well past college and into the workforce. It would be impossible for it not to affect how a business is run or for the most part what type of person works for said business. Certain careers, like college faculty, will always be more liberal overall because that's part of their purpose; expanding viewpoints, critical analysis and challenging the norm, while trade workers have more of a focused straight forward approach, no nonsense if you prefer.

I'd agree with some of that, but the original post makes it sound like the higher education system is a huge ripoff that only serves as a liberal propaganda machine. I don't see it.

People should pay 40,000 dollars per year for great education, not to listen to opinions of teachers.

That's not the big issue. The big issue is that people are pressured into college, and they have a degree for every little subject that often won't result in a job, and lots of debt

WhatYouTaughtMe

riley540 said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

tbergs said:

I would expand that political views or association influences and permeates well past college and into the workforce. It would be impossible for it not to affect how a business is run or for the most part what type of person works for said business. Certain careers, like college faculty, will always be more liberal overall because that's part of their purpose; expanding viewpoints, critical analysis and challenging the norm, while trade workers have more of a focused straight forward approach, no nonsense if you prefer.

I'd agree with some of that, but the original post makes it sound like the higher education system is a huge ripoff that only serves as a liberal propaganda machine. I don't see it.

People should pay 40,000 dollars per year for great education, not to listen to opinions of teachers.

That's not the big issue. The big issue is that people are pressured into college, and they have a degree for every little subject that often won't result in a job, and lots of debt

Based on some questionable content in a couple communications courses during your 3 semesters, you've arrived at this conclusion? All universities are just full of professors forcing their opinions without actually educating? That hasn't been my experience at all.

riley540

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

riley540 said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

tbergs said:

I would expand that political views or association influences and permeates well past college and into the workforce. It would be impossible for it not to affect how a business is run or for the most part what type of person works for said business. Certain careers, like college faculty, will always be more liberal overall because that's part of their purpose; expanding viewpoints, critical analysis and challenging the norm, while trade workers have more of a focused straight forward approach, no nonsense if you prefer.

I'd agree with some of that, but the original post makes it sound like the higher education system is a huge ripoff that only serves as a liberal propaganda machine. I don't see it.

People should pay 40,000 dollars per year for great education, not to listen to opinions of teachers.

That's not the big issue. The big issue is that people are pressured into college, and they have a degree for every little subject that often won't result in a job, and lots of debt

Based on some questionable content in a couple communications courses during your 3 semesters, you've arrived at this conclusion? All universities are just full of professors forcing their opinions without actually educating? That hasn't been my experience at all.

I never said all schools. I'm saying it's an occurrence here in Washington, a lot of people talk about, and friends in Colorado to Oregon have the same complaint.

That being said, I'm more worried about people spending 40,000 per year when they aren't sure. Signing up for college was literally the same processes as joining a church. They want your $$$$

WhatYouTaughtMe

riley540 said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

riley540 said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

tbergs said:

I would expand that political views or association influences and permeates well past college and into the workforce. It would be impossible for it not to affect how a business is run or for the most part what type of person works for said business. Certain careers, like college faculty, will always be more liberal overall because that's part of their purpose; expanding viewpoints, critical analysis and challenging the norm, while trade workers have more of a focused straight forward approach, no nonsense if you prefer.

I'd agree with some of that, but the original post makes it sound like the higher education system is a huge ripoff that only serves as a liberal propaganda machine. I don't see it.

People should pay 40,000 dollars per year for great education, not to listen to opinions of teachers.

That's not the big issue. The big issue is that people are pressured into college, and they have a degree for every little subject that often won't result in a job, and lots of debt

Based on some questionable content in a couple communications courses during your 3 semesters, you've arrived at this conclusion? All universities are just full of professors forcing their opinions without actually educating? That hasn't been my experience at all.

I never said all schools. I'm saying it's an occurrence here in Washington, a lot of people talk about, and friends in Colorado to Oregon have the same complaint.

That being said, I'm more worried about people spending 40,000 per year when they aren't sure. Signing up for college was literally the same processes as joining a church. They want your $$$$

To be fair, you said it was the biggest scam in the country and it was just political propaganda. You're kind of all over the place. Literally the same process as joining a church? Huh? Last time I checked, my tuition payments weren't voluntary. I've never been to a church that demanded payment to attend.

rgambs

We never experienced any of that bias, but my wife got a science education and mine was literature.
It is not bias to say that Ann Coulture is an unrepentant liar who polarizes every issue in a communication class. It's the truth. Who on the left is her equal in those regards? Nobody.

The idea that truth must always be "unbiased" is a creation of conservatism to deal with the fact that so much of it's basis is refuted by objective data and reason.


Of course more professors are liberal, that only makes sense. You can't use objective, evidence based reasoning to argue against same-sex marriage, for religion, or for trickle-down economics.

unsung

There is no such thing as public schooling anymore, those are now government indoctrination centers.

rgambs

unsung said:

There is no such thing as public schooling anymore, those are now government indoctrination centers.

Seriously, that is ridiculous.

unsung

You will think what we want you to think.

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

There is no such thing as public schooling anymore, those are now government indoctrination centers.

I totally agree

Children should be home schooled by their parents where they can get an unbiased and objective education.
The parents can teach the truth about the government
That the government is out to control them
About President Obama sending in his U.N. troops to take their guns.
That The Jews control all of the world's financial systems.
That man did not walk on the moon
That Newtown was set up and implemented by the government
The Bundys were framed
And so was Tom Brady
That there is no climate change
9/11 was a government plot
Etc etc etc

unsung

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

tweedyfanjen

riley540 said:

Go Beavers said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Go Beavers said:

Conservatives perceive liberal bias in schools because nearly everything conservatives believe in can be dismantled with facts and information. Why would you have conservatives around in an environment where you're exposed to logic, history, science, and facts? I'm sure I may have upset some of the snowflakes in here. Have at it.

This is the liberal arrogance that lost the election.

I figured on that reaction. Knowledge about the truth didn't lose it. It was low turnout in certain areas, combined with Clinton's inability to effectively connect with working class people in PA OH and WI specifically. She didn't convey how she can improve their situation.

I know people in my home state of Alaska went for trump because they really want to work again. They felt like Hillary was ignoring them. Trumps message was jobs, Hillarys was everything else. People need to eat!! And have a roof over their head. Industry in AK has been crushed the past 3 years, so I think people voted for a change of pace.

So does he have a plan to bring jobs to Alaska? I'm serious. All I've heard is he'll bring jobs back to our country with no mention of how.

Also, I was an accounting major in college. Not much room for bias in those classes.

rgambs

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

As long as it isn't big government.

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

Yes, imagine that parents knowing what is best for their children.

As long as it isn't big government.

Irrelevant what it is.

riley540

tweedyfanjen said:

riley540 said:

Go Beavers said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

Go Beavers said:

Conservatives perceive liberal bias in schools because nearly everything conservatives believe in can be dismantled with facts and information. Why would you have conservatives around in an environment where you're exposed to logic, history, science, and facts? I'm sure I may have upset some of the snowflakes in here. Have at it.

This is the liberal arrogance that lost the election.

I figured on that reaction. Knowledge about the truth didn't lose it. It was low turnout in certain areas, combined with Clinton's inability to effectively connect with working class people in PA OH and WI specifically. She didn't convey how she can improve their situation.

I know people in my home state of Alaska went for trump because they really want to work again. They felt like Hillary was ignoring them. Trumps message was jobs, Hillarys was everything else. People need to eat!! And have a roof over their head. Industry in AK has been crushed the past 3 years, so I think people voted for a change of pace.

So does he have a plan to bring jobs to Alaska? I'm serious. All I've heard is he'll bring jobs back to our country with no mention of how.

Also, I was an accounting major in college. Not much room for bias in those classes.

Executive action was taking to shut down a lot of the Bristol bay and north slope work in Alaska. Thousands of people out of work. I'm sure there was a reason, but none was really given by the president, and trump said he would review all the executive orders. Therefore, hope to get some jobs back up there

Go Beavers

Is there a state more dependant on the government than Alaska? Serious question.

riley540

Go Beavers said:

Is there a state more dependant on the government than Alaska? Serious question.

Depends. The villages are very much dependent for a few reasons. The villages have huge drug and Alcohol problems, so many of the villagers get sent to anchorage to live in government housing.

But the work industry is quite separate. Sometimes Alaska feels like it's own place. The state government can make a lot better calls than the federal government, and it's the federal that shut down a lot of the jobs.

riley540

Go Beavers said:

Is there a state more dependant on the government than Alaska? Serious question.

At the end of the day and a huge believer is state government, and giving states most of the power

unsung

Go Beavers said:

Is there a state more dependant on the government than Alaska? Serious question.

Area or population?

riley540

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

Is there a state more dependant on the government than Alaska? Serious question.

Area or population?

I misread the question. And i don't think that's an easy question to answer. Some cities have massive government assistance, and some places don't. Alaska is fairly independent