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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,425
    I heard the liberals were the ones who discovered the invisible weapons of mass destruction!!!! Radicals!!!
    How many times do I have to say it.  You guys keep bringing up Bush and the old Republican Party like it’s the same as MAGA.  It’s not even remotely the same.  MAGA is the new Republican Party now, and that’s why neocons like Liz Cheney and Nikki Haley no longer have a seat at the table.  The Bush’s support the current administration, and one would think it would make you wonder why.  Bush is a war criminal and hates MAGA b/c we don’t believe in policing the world and forever wars.  Fuck the old GOP and the democrats.  They are one and the same.  
     Liz Cheney and Nikki Haley no longer have a seat at the table because the Republican Party is a cult who follow what the supreme leader tells them to do. As soon as someone dares cross the supreme leader, he instructs the cult to ostracize them forever from the cult. 
    PJ fans simping for warmongers?  Who would’ve thought?
    Trump invited the fucking taliban to fucking camp David. You know, the guys who murdered thousands of americans ON AMERICAN SOIL. 

    Your boy is a traitorous cuck. 
    Why do you care?  Go join antifa or something if you want to do something about it so bad. I’m sure they’re looking for new members to go riot, loot, burn and steal.   I think you should go for it.  You have the zeal of an anarchist that would be perfect for that!  MAGA
    So in other words, you have no intelligent response to that. MAGA
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,855
    I heard the liberals were the ones who discovered the invisible weapons of mass destruction!!!! Radicals!!!
    How many times do I have to say it.  You guys keep bringing up Bush and the old Republican Party like it’s the same as MAGA.  It’s not even remotely the same.  MAGA is the new Republican Party now, and that’s why neocons like Liz Cheney and Nikki Haley no longer have a seat at the table.  The Bush’s support the current administration, and one would think it would make you wonder why.  Bush is a war criminal and hates MAGA b/c we don’t believe in policing the world and forever wars.  Fuck the old GOP and the democrats.  They are one and the same.  
     Liz Cheney and Nikki Haley no longer have a seat at the table because the Republican Party is a cult who follow what the supreme leader tells them to do. As soon as someone dares cross the supreme leader, he instructs the cult to ostracize them forever from the cult. 
    PJ fans simping for warmongers?  Who would’ve thought?
    Trump invited the fucking taliban to fucking camp David. You know, the guys who murdered thousands of americans ON AMERICAN SOIL. 

    Your boy is a traitorous cuck. 
    Why do you care?  Go join antifa or something if you want to do something about it so bad. I’m sure they’re looking for new members to go riot, loot, burn and steal.   I think you should go for it.  You have the zeal of an anarchist that would be perfect for that!  MAGA
    Again Hugh confronts you with known information and you resort to garbage no talking points just garbage in other words you have NOTHING! 
    The QtRUmplican sycophants only know how to parrot the conspiracy theories, dogwhistles, and lies created by the writers at murdoch inc.
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

    Gavin Newsom grilled over hefty price tag to help 'Trump-proof' California: 'Total waste'

    California lawmakers held emergency session amid push to use millions to 'Trump-proof' state

    Published December 4, 2024 7:00am EST | Updated December 3, 2024 2:00pm EST

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom's latest efforts to "Trump-proof" his state are being slammed as a "total waste" by some Republicans, particularly as he eyes the chance to sign a bill including $25 million in additional funding for potential legal fights with the incoming administration.

    "I wish my elected leaders would spend their time solving problems rather than creating more problems," former California Rep. Doug Ose, a Republican, said Tuesday on "Fox & Friends First." 

    "Newsom's effort to basically fund his campaign for president in 2028 is just going to be a total waste of money that could be better spent on homelessness or schools or public safety and the like. This is just a charade."

    Lawmakers wrapped up an emergency session to "Trump-proof" the Golden State this week, where the proposal to feed the state's Justice Department against the incoming administration took shape.

    The majority Democratic state legislature is expected to introduce such proposed legislation in the coming weeks. If approved, California's Justice Department and state agencies would receive extra funding for court battles regarding areas like reproductive rights, environmental protection and immigration, according to Reuters.

    Officials anticipate the legislation will be signed into law before Inauguration Day on Jan. 20.

    Newsom, who is believed to be among the slew of Democrats who could take center stage for the party in the 2028 presidential race, commented on the alleged threat Trump poses to California, insisting the president-elect is trying to "unwind our progress." 

    "His rhetoric is only heightened and his call for retribution and revenge is pretty clear," Newsom said in Sacramento on Monday. 

    "We responded to his assault on California, where he tried to unwind our progress. And so what we're doing now with a special session is not waiting to react to that. We're preparing for that in a much more sober way."

    Newsom has additionally defended the "Trump-proofing" push in a statement in which he branded the Golden State "a tent pole of the country … protecting and investing in rights and freedoms for all people" and that officials "will work with the incoming administration, and we want President Trump to succeed in serving all Americans." 

    "But when there is overreach, when lives are threatened, when rights and freedoms are targeted, we will take action," Newsom continued. "And that is exactly what this special session is about – setting this state up for success, regardless of who is in the White House."

    Ose doubled down on his criticisms, insisting the alleged "charade" ignores the struggles of California's citizens.

    "Most people in California are struggling so hard and so desperately just to keep their heads above water. They don't have time to confront the governor on this kind of foolishness. This is just talk. This is just more of the same from Newsom," he critiqued. 

    "He said he'd enforce the death penalty. He immediately said no. He said he'd finish high speed rail. Now we're 100 billion in and we're nowhere near completion. He said he'd fix K-12. It's a total failure. Look, Newsom, I mean, you just have to understand who Newsome is, and this is an extremely poor manager."

  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,544
    edited December 2024
    shecky said:

    Fauxrage of the day, eh? Anyone get Hillary’s opinion on this topic?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,914
    shecky said:

    Just curious, did you listen to the whole speech before deciding to post this and therefore implicitly agreeing with it, or was 48 seconds enough effort for you?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,087
    shecky said:

    Go ahead dispute it tell us how it’s not true! The day Obama won was the day white republicans lost their collective minds! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

    Dem strategist gives stark warning about party's future after election loss: 'Our brand sucks'

    'We no longer have anything remotely close to a long-term winning coalition,' Steve Schale says

    Published December 4, 2024 2:14pm EST | Updated December 7, 2024 9:30am EST

    A Democratic strategist who helped President Obama win Florida in 2008 says his party needs a major overhaul if it wants to win future elections.

    "IT IS TIME TO STOP talking about 2024," Steve Schale, CEO of the super PAC Unite the Country, told his party in a post for The Bulwark on Wednesday. 

    "The real conversation is how my party went from the broadest electoral mandate of the previous twenty-five years, with the biggest majority in the Senate in the previous thirty years, to a shell of itself—a political organization that can hardly be classified as a national entity anymore," he continued.

    The Democratic Party suffered major setbacks up and down the ballot in the 2024 elections, as President-elect Donald Trump recaptured the White House, and the GOP flipped the Senate and held on to their fragile majority in the House. 

    Schale warned that Democrats were on a losing streak in Florida, Ohio and Iowa, and it was only going to get worse if they didn't make "real structural changes" to the party.

    His suggestions included spending more money earlier on ads addressing crime and the economy and dealing with the right's "advantage" in the podcast and social media sphere by "building" their own "ecosystem" to deliver information to their base and persuadable voters.

    But Schale said these strategies wouldn't work if the party didn't also change its messaging to broaden its coalition.

    "The truth is we got here because our brand sucks. We tend to put voters in different buckets—black, Hispanic, young, gay, etc.—and treat these groups like they are more progressive than they really are, and somehow unique from each other. At the same time, we’ve made decisions to stop talking to large chunks of the electorate," he wrote.

    The party needed to return to investing in all 50 states, he argued.

    "But we have a bigger problem," Schale continued. "Sure, we can win elections under the right circumstances, but we no longer have anything remotely close to a long-term winning coalition."

    He pointed out how the Democratic Party had been losing blue-collar White voters for several election cycles and that Hispanic voters had been turned off by the party's "socialism talk" in 2020.

    "Still, despite plenty of people screaming from the rafters, the Biden campaign largely ignored the growing problems associated with the rhetoric of the extreme left. In doing so, it let the narrative settle in," he claimed.

    Ultimately, the Democratic Party needed to reach out to the "median" voter who is not a partisan in future elections, he argued.

    "We’ve seen what happens when we don’t listen to voters—when we focus on reinforcing our tent instead of expanding it, and when we move our message outside of the mainstream," he said.

    "This is an opportunity for my side to redefine our values for voters who have stopped listening. Get this right, and we set ourselves up nicely for the next decade. Get this wrong, and we could be in the wilderness for a very long time," Schale concluded.


  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,178
    shecky said:

    Dem strategist gives stark warning about party's future after election loss: 'Our brand sucks'

    'We no longer have anything remotely close to a long-term winning coalition,' Steve Schale says

    Published December 4, 2024 2:14pm EST | Updated December 7, 2024 9:30am EST

    A Democratic strategist who helped President Obama win Florida in 2008 says his party needs a major overhaul if it wants to win future elections.

    "IT IS TIME TO STOP talking about 2024," Steve Schale, CEO of the super PAC Unite the Country, told his party in a post for The Bulwark on Wednesday. 

    "The real conversation is how my party went from the broadest electoral mandate of the previous twenty-five years, with the biggest majority in the Senate in the previous thirty years, to a shell of itself—a political organization that can hardly be classified as a national entity anymore," he continued.

    The Democratic Party suffered major setbacks up and down the ballot in the 2024 elections, as President-elect Donald Trump recaptured the White House, and the GOP flipped the Senate and held on to their fragile majority in the House. 

    Schale warned that Democrats were on a losing streak in Florida, Ohio and Iowa, and it was only going to get worse if they didn't make "real structural changes" to the party.

    His suggestions included spending more money earlier on ads addressing crime and the economy and dealing with the right's "advantage" in the podcast and social media sphere by "building" their own "ecosystem" to deliver information to their base and persuadable voters.

    But Schale said these strategies wouldn't work if the party didn't also change its messaging to broaden its coalition.

    "The truth is we got here because our brand sucks. We tend to put voters in different buckets—black, Hispanic, young, gay, etc.—and treat these groups like they are more progressive than they really are, and somehow unique from each other. At the same time, we’ve made decisions to stop talking to large chunks of the electorate," he wrote.

    The party needed to return to investing in all 50 states, he argued.

    "But we have a bigger problem," Schale continued. "Sure, we can win elections under the right circumstances, but we no longer have anything remotely close to a long-term winning coalition."

    He pointed out how the Democratic Party had been losing blue-collar White voters for several election cycles and that Hispanic voters had been turned off by the party's "socialism talk" in 2020.

    "Still, despite plenty of people screaming from the rafters, the Biden campaign largely ignored the growing problems associated with the rhetoric of the extreme left. In doing so, it let the narrative settle in," he claimed.

    Ultimately, the Democratic Party needed to reach out to the "median" voter who is not a partisan in future elections, he argued.

    "We’ve seen what happens when we don’t listen to voters—when we focus on reinforcing our tent instead of expanding it, and when we move our message outside of the mainstream," he said.

    "This is an opportunity for my side to redefine our values for voters who have stopped listening. Get this right, and we set ourselves up nicely for the next decade. Get this wrong, and we could be in the wilderness for a very long time," Schale concluded.


    They won’t learn.  They’ll keep doubling down on stupid.
  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,178
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,378
    Haha, like the Republican are all at peace with each other.
    Dude, the whole system is a clusterfuck these days.  The main difference is the Democrats and some true Republicans want to make constructive changes, but the MAGA simply want to fuck the whole thing up.
    That's it in a nutshell.
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  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,178
    You’re right about the system being a clusterfuck, but who’s been in charge of that system for the last few several decades?  Answer:  Democrats AND “true Republicans” i.e. the uniparty has.  They corrupted the system and MAGA will fix it.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,789
    You’re right about the system being a clusterfuck, but who’s been in charge of that system for the last few several decades?  Answer:  Democrats AND “true Republicans” i.e. the uniparty has.  They corrupted the system and MAGA will fix it.
    Fix what? The wealthiest country in the world? Democrats control the final say on the law - the USSC? That's hysterical

    The problem is how the wealth  spreads thru the economy and sure for shit the gop ain't helping you unless your income is over $400k
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,378
    "MAGA will fix it."
    Sorry but...  :rofl:         
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,914
    shecky said:

    Maybe DOGE can make some recommendations to import Indian civil engineers through the H-1B program to solve homelessness.  Remember, Vivek said this is a cultural issue.  Too many Saturday morning cartoons and soccer games, not enough Mathletes competing.  That's why our new DOGE leaders value foreign culture over ours.  
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170

    Laughter.
  • shecky said:

    Laughter.
    Lex get that breaking news from Andy No?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,544
    From Letter From An American:

    Today, President Joe Biden issued a statement marking the day that the new, lower cap on seniors’ out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs goes into effect. The Inflation Reduction Act, negotiated over two years and passed with Democratic votes alone, enabled the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies over drug prices and phased in out-of-pocket spending caps for seniors. In 2024 the cap was $3,400; it’s now $2,000.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    In my view, both parties are in extreme disarray.  They have been catering to their fringe elements for so long in order to win primaries that they both have made it hard to win national elections.  So the party without the power seems to be able to unite its fringes with some normal party members for a short time in order to win an election, and then the fighting starts and they cannot keep control.  

    The party on the outside looking in from a power (president mostly) perspective seems to have the advantage in the next national election.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,789
    shecky said:

    Laughter.


    The S&P 500 soared more than 23% in 2024—about what it gained in 2023. That’s the first back-to-back years of 20%+ gains since 1997–1998. 

    2023-2024 = BIDENOMICS

    1997-1998 = CLINTONOMICS

    Democrat to democrat, what an economy. Good luck screwing it up again, gop.

    laughter


  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,240
    shecky said:

    Laughter.


    The S&P 500 soared more than 23% in 2024—about what it gained in 2023. That’s the first back-to-back years of 20%+ gains since 1997–1998. 

    2023-2024 = BIDENOMICS

    1997-1998 = CLINTONOMICS

    Democrat to democrat, what an economy. Good luck screwing it up again, gop.

    laughter


    Yup, it’s tough for some people to be objective and think critically when their hero tells them constantly how angry he is and how angry they should be about everything in their life. But don’t worry, he’s here to fix it…
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,855
    edited January 2
    Hawk123 said:
    shecky said:

    Laughter.


    The S&P 500 soared more than 23% in 2024—about what it gained in 2023. That’s the first back-to-back years of 20%+ gains since 1997–1998. 

    2023-2024 = BIDENOMICS

    1997-1998 = CLINTONOMICS

    Democrat to democrat, what an economy. Good luck screwing it up again, gop.

    laughter


    Yup, it’s tough for some people to be objective and think critically when their hero tells them constantly how angry he is and how angry they should be about everything in their life. But don’t worry, he’s here to fix it…
    Not just angry but how scared they should be.
    How they should be scared of everything. 
    How they should be scared of anyone and everyone who is not old obese wealthy white men who claim to be straight and "christian."
    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,170
    shecky said:

    Laughter.

    'We live or die by winning public perception of the economy,' Carville wrote

    Published January 2, 2025 8:33am EST

    Democratic strategist James Carville conceded in an op-ed on Thursday that he was wrong about the election, after repeatedly predicting Vice President Kamala Harris would win, and that the results boiled down to the economy. 

    "I thought Kamala Harris would win. I was wrong. While I’m sure we Democrats can argue that the loss wasn’t a landslide or take a little solace in our House performance, the most important thing for us now is to face that we were wrong and take action on the prevailing ‘why,’" Carville wrote.

    Carville previously wrote an op-ed for the New York Times headlined, "Three Reasons I’m Certain Kamala Harris Will Win," and said during a pre-election interview on MSNBC that Harris would beat Trump because the now president-elect is "stone a-- nuts."

    "We lost for one very simple reason: It was, it is and it always will be the economy, stupid. We have to begin 2025 with that truth as our political north star and not get distracted by anything else," Carville continued, referencing his famous phrase.

    He urged Democrats to win back the economic narrative. 

    "Mr. Trump, for the first time in his political career, decisively won by seizing a swath of middle-class and low-income voters focused on the economy. Democrats have flat-out lost the economic narrative. The only path to electoral salvation is to take it back," the Democratic strategist continued.

    Carville said that Americans thought Democrats were "out to lunch" when it came to the economy and feeling their pain.

    He wrote that Democrats needed to stop making Trump the focus of their messaging, and said many didn't care about the president-elect's indictments, or social issues, "if they cannot provide for themselves or their families."

    "This year, the Democratic Party leadership must convene and publish a creative, popular and bold economic agenda and proactively take back our economic turf. Go big, go populist, stick to economic progress — and force them to oppose what they cannot be for. In unison," Carville wrote.

    Carville also urged Democrats to use podcasts, influencers and non-traditional media to get their message out, acknowledging a "new media paradigm we now live in."

    "To Democratic presidential hopefuls, your auditions for 2028 should be based on two things: 1) How authentic you are on the economy and 2) how well you deliver it on a podcast," he continued. "The road ahead will not be easy, but there are no two roads to choose from. The path forward could not be more certain: We live or die by winning public perception of the economy."

    Carville attributed Harris' loss to her failure to differentiate herself from President Biden after the election, and specifically pointed to the VP's interview on "The View."

    "I think if this campaign is reducible to one moment, we are in a 65% wrong-track country. The country wants something different. And she’s asked, as is so often the case, in a friendly audience, on 'The View,' 'How would you be different than Biden?' That’s the one question that you exist to answer, alright? That is it. That’s the money question. That's the one you want. That’s the one that everybody wants to know the answer to. And you freeze! You literally freeze and say, ‘Well, I can’t think of anything,’" he said during a podcast interview in November. 

    AND, OBVIOUSLY, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY HATES HIL.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,775
    I can't believe we have people posting just absolute online trash on here like it's accurate.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,855
    I can't believe we have people posting just absolute online trash on here like it's accurate.
    Their only goal is owning libs and getting a reaction.
    Stop responding/reacting to the RUssian troll bots.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,646
    Hawk123 said:
    shecky said:

    Laughter.


    The S&P 500 soared more than 23% in 2024—about what it gained in 2023. That’s the first back-to-back years of 20%+ gains since 1997–1998. 

    2023-2024 = BIDENOMICS

    1997-1998 = CLINTONOMICS

    Democrat to democrat, what an economy. Good luck screwing it up again, gop.

    laughter


    Yup, it’s tough for some people to be objective and think critically when their hero tells them constantly how angry he is and how angry they should be about everything in their life. But don’t worry, he’s here to fix it…
    Not just angry but how scared they should be.
    How they should be scared of everything. 
    How they should be scared of anyone and everyone who is not old obese wealthy white men who claim to be straight and "christian."
    & there's also a problem of where does all that anger & fear go once they get their way (i.e. their candidate winning office)? 

    Rageaholics need their fix... they can't just turn it off. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,855
    Hawk123 said:
    shecky said:

    Laughter.


    The S&P 500 soared more than 23% in 2024—about what it gained in 2023. That’s the first back-to-back years of 20%+ gains since 1997–1998. 

    2023-2024 = BIDENOMICS

    1997-1998 = CLINTONOMICS

    Democrat to democrat, what an economy. Good luck screwing it up again, gop.

    laughter


    Yup, it’s tough for some people to be objective and think critically when their hero tells them constantly how angry he is and how angry they should be about everything in their life. But don’t worry, he’s here to fix it…
    Not just angry but how scared they should be.
    How they should be scared of everything. 
    How they should be scared of anyone and everyone who is not old obese wealthy white men who claim to be straight and "christian."
    & there's also a problem of where does all that anger & fear go once they get their way (i.e. their candidate winning office)? 

    Rageaholics need their fix... they can't just turn it off. 
    It's TDS
    They worship their orange savior and parrot everything he says or that the writers at murdoch inc put out there to keep the peasants engaged in owning libs.
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