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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    Wow.. So compelling.  Opinion pieces are really high value because they are chocked full of empirical information.  Good job,  keep posting.  All the people on the board that thought Trump is a pig,  narcissist and white collar criminal are becoming supporters.  
    Meanwhile, there has been a blizzard of ancillary accusations, including much broader and vaguer charges of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. It remains possible that Robert Mueller, a former FBI director who has been appointed to investigate these allegations, may turn up some compelling evidence of contacts between Trump’s people and various Russians. It would be surprising if an experienced prosecutor empowered to cast a dragnet came up empty-handed, and the arrests have already begun. But what is striking about them is that the charges have nothing to do with Russian interference in the election.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    Wow.. So compelling.  Opinion pieces are really high value because they are chocked full of empirical information.  Good job,  keep posting.  All the people on the board that thought Trump is a pig,  narcissist and white collar criminal are becoming supporters.  
    There has been much talk about the possibility that the accused may provide damaging evidence against Trump in exchange for lighter sentences, but this is merely speculation. Paul Manafort, at one point Trump’s campaign manager, has pleaded not guilty to charges of failing to register his public relations firm as a foreign agent for the Ukrainian government and concealing his millions of dollars in fees. But all this occurred before the 2016 campaign. George Papadopolous, a foreign policy adviser, has pleaded guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI about his bungling efforts to arrange a meeting between Trump’s people and the Russian government – an opportunity the Trump campaign declined. Mueller’s most recent arrestee, Michael Flynn, the unhinged Islamophobe who was briefly Trump’s national security adviser, has pleaded guilty to charges of lying to the FBI about meeting the Russian ambassador in December – weeks after the election. This is the sort of backchannel diplomacy that routinely occurs during the interim between one administration and the next. It is not a sign of collusion.So far, after months of ‘bombshells’ that turn out to be duds, there is still no actual evidence for the claim that the Kremlin ordered interference in the American election.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    Friday is cut and paste day. 
  • JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Wow.. So compelling.  Opinion pieces are really high value because they are chocked full of empirical information.  Good job,  keep posting.  All the people on the board that thought Trump is a pig,  narcissist and white collar criminal are becoming supporters.  
    There has been much talk about the possibility that the accused may provide damaging evidence against Trump in exchange for lighter sentences, but this is merely speculation. Paul Manafort, at one point Trump’s campaign manager, has pleaded not guilty to charges of failing to register his public relations firm as a foreign agent for the Ukrainian government and concealing his millions of dollars in fees. But all this occurred before the 2016 campaign. George Papadopolous, a foreign policy adviser, has pleaded guilty to the charge of lying to the FBI about his bungling efforts to arrange a meeting between Trump’s people and the Russian government – an opportunity the Trump campaign declined. Mueller’s most recent arrestee, Michael Flynn, the unhinged Islamophobe who was briefly Trump’s national security adviser, has pleaded guilty to charges of lying to the FBI about meeting the Russian ambassador in December – weeks after the election. This is the sort of backchannel diplomacy that routinely occurs during the interim between one administration and the next. It is not a sign of collusion.So far, after months of ‘bombshells’ that turn out to be duds, there is still no actual evidence for the claim that the Kremlin ordered interference in the American election.
    You still haven’t read the de-classified report from our national intelligence agencies nor listened to their testimony on the Hill, have you? And that’s just the declassified part.

    ”There are known, knowns. There are unknown knowns. And there are unknown unknowns.”

    ”The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

    Seeing how 3D is going all Bush/Rumsfeldian on our asses in his 3D efforts. Happy Friday dot connecters!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    Why think when someone can do it for you?
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    The vodka is flowing this Friday afternoon in St. Petersburg. Thinking hard  
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Where will Dems stand today on spying? With Trump and Nunez or with civil liberties groups? USA Rights Act
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Dennis Montgomery and The Hammer

    A former U.S. intelligence contractor tells Circa he walked away with more than 600 million classified documents on 47 hard drives from the National Security Agency and the CIA, a haul potentially larger than Edward Snowden's now infamous breach.

    And now he is suing former FBI Director James Comey and other government figures, alleging the bureau has covered up evidence he provided them showing widespread spying on Americans that violated civil liberties.


  • JC29856 said:
    Dennis Montgomery and The Hammer

    A former U.S. intelligence contractor tells Circa he walked away with more than 600 million classified documents on 47 hard drives from the National Security Agency and the CIA, a haul potentially larger than Edward Snowden's now infamous breach.

    And now he is suing former FBI Director James Comey and other government figures, alleging the bureau has covered up evidence he provided them showing widespread spying on Americans that violated civil liberties.


    Where were you during the Bush Administration? Is this new news? D’ing hard for the dolla!
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  • JC29856 said:
    Where will Dems stand today on spying? With Trump and Nunez or with civil liberties groups? USA Rights Act
    It seems the "very stable genius" of Team Trump Treason doesn't know where his party stands, stood, squatted, shat or peed (remember that? Pee?)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trump-just-torpedoed-his-own-administrations-position-on-fisa/?undefined=&utm_term=.520b36263f43&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    I’m sure over time we’ll hear more inside stories about the process of how his staff had to respond to him saying stupid shit and try and have him backpedal out of it. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    JC29856 said:
    Where will Dems stand today on spying? With Trump and Nunez or with civil liberties groups? USA Rights Act
    It seems the "very stable genius" of Team Trump Treason doesn't know where his party stands, stood, squatted, shat or peed (remember that? Pee?)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/11/trump-just-torpedoed-his-own-administrations-position-on-fisa/?undefined=&utm_term=.520b36263f43&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
    FISA warrants bad for Trump, family and business partners...good for the rest of the country.  An easy solution is just allow Trump-Family to create, manage and monitor a list of people "exempt" from the law.  Done and done.  
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Where will Dems stand today on spying? With Trump and Nunez or with civil liberties groups? USA Rights Act

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    So what do you think about that, JC?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    So what do you think about that, JC?
    you have to be more specific
  • JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    All true.. It's curious why you are a die hard right winger then..
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    Who said that?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    All true.. It's curious why you are a die hard right winger then..
    still left of you!
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    For those that "missed" it, I repeat THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY IS TOO POWERFUL! We need to restrict those powers not expand them! Emperor Trump!

    From the ACLU:
    The House voted to give President Trump and his administration more spying powers. The government will use this bill to continue warrantless intrusions into Americans’ private emails, text messages, and other communications.
    No president should have this power. Yet, members of Congress just voted to hand it to an administration that has labeled individuals as threats based merely on their religion, nationality, or viewpoints.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    All true.. It's curious why you are a die hard right winger then..
    still left of you!
    There are no Trump supporters who are to the left of me.  Not physically possible.  
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    I know JC gets shit on a lot here (and often for valid reasons), but this is actually a worthy topic. Anyone who values freedom should be pissed off at those 55 dems, especially dem leadership like Pelosi and Schiff. Thankfully my dem representative didn't vote with those traitors. Anyone who supports warrentless surveillance of Americans is anti-freedom and clearly doesn't value Constitutional protections (like the 4th Amendment). I expect that out of the GOP these days. I was hoping the dems were a little more principled. Fuck all 55 on that list.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    But aren’t we supposed to be afraid of ISIS and all those Muslims? 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    All true.. It's curious why you are a die hard right winger then..
    still left of you!
    There are no Trump supporters who are to the left of me.  Not physically possible.  
    I voted for Obama in 2008 but wouldn't consider myself a supporter. Nor is it possible for a die hard male Hilliary campaign donor and campaign volunteer to be left of me, not possible.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,668
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Put another way, if 26 Republicans had voted the other way, they would have helped Danny and 3D to "win." Why did the republicans buck the wishes of their stable genius, Team Trump Treason?
    but we know the GOP are evil doers only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies, the Dems on the other hand are the peoples party, the good guys seeking civil justice for all.
    All true.. It's curious why you are a die hard right winger then..
    still left of you!
    There are no Trump supporters who are to the left of me.  Not physically possible.  
    I voted for Obama in 2008 but wouldn't consider myself a supporter. Nor is it possible for a die hard male Hilliary campaign donor and campaign volunteer to be left of me, not possible.
    I neither donated or volunteered.  Try again.  
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,166
    jeffbr said:
    I know JC gets shit on a lot here (and often for valid reasons), but this is actually a worthy topic. Anyone who values freedom should be pissed off at those 55 dems, especially dem leadership like Pelosi and Schiff. Thankfully my dem representative didn't vote with those traitors. Anyone who supports warrentless surveillance of Americans is anti-freedom and clearly doesn't value Constitutional protections (like the 4th Amendment). I expect that out of the GOP these days. I was hoping the dems were a little more principled. Fuck all 55 on that list.
    I was relieved to see my Congressman was not among them.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    But aren’t we supposed to be afraid of ISIS and all those Muslims? 
    no, we're doing our best to eradicate them via democracy and liberation bombs for the last 15 straight years!
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