This is who is to blame for Trump

Halifax2TheMax

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Really?  President Trump had nothing to do w/ it though.  

Yea, right.

I'm serious.  The libs are going to have to prove how President Trump was involved in the Russian involvement of giving him the election victory.  That aside, they also need to find a candidate fast that will beat President Trump in the next election.  Russian talk is getting as old and silly as the hitler stuff, untenable to even listen to.

The "libs" don't have to "prove" a thing. Neither does Mueller. All we want is a thorough investigation of Russia's meddling and Trump and his campaign's collusion. I, for one, believe Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia to throw or influence the election to Trump for a quid pro quo and/or because Trump is on a PTAPE. I've accepted that Trump is president but I believe, with Russian assistance, he knowingly stole it via Podesta emails, illegally obtained, and the Russian propagated disinformation campaign, Comet Pizza among others, micro targeted with knowledge and assistance of Trump campaign staff.

We'll see how silly all of this is when indictments are handed down. Anyone heard from Jared, dear boy?

Follow the money, from Russia with love wrapped in a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment.

unsung

brianlux said:

unsung said:

It is absolutely worth having.  I can't understand why people don't see that.

Again, that wasn't my main point.  Perhaps go to the search bar and type in "electoral college".  There are several threads about that subject already.

It was your first paragraph in response, sorry.

rgambs

unsung said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.

nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.

Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.

Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college.  But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.

If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about.  But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).

I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here.  You know I lean that way more than republican.  But the democratic party  is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again.  Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove. 

Peace friends, I'm only trying to help. 

It isn't antiquated.  Is free speech antiquated?  Freedom of religion?  Should we have to quarter soldiers in our homes?

Should black people be owned and considered 3/5ths of a person?
If you want to argue that the EC isn't antiquated you need a stronger position than "the Constitution is perfect and infallible".

PJfanwillneverleave1

Because this quote system sucks and I want to spare everyone having to scroll down endlessly,

H2M, you said (The "libs" don't have to "prove" a thing. Neither does Mueller. All we want is a thorough investigation of Russia's meddling and Trump and his campaign's collusion. I, for one, believe Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia to throw or influence the election to Trump for a quid pro quo and/or because Trump is on a PTAPE. I've accepted that Trump is president but I believe, with Russian assistance, he knowingly stole it via Podesta emails, illegally obtained, and the Russian propagated disinformation campaign, Comet Pizza among others, micro targeted with knowledge and assistance of Trump campaign staff.
We'll see how silly all of this is when indictments are handed down. Anyone heard from Jared, dear boy?)


Lordy, that statement is a whole lot of beliefs.  Glad you accept that Trump is President.  "Knowingly"?  If you know this to be true, other people in much higher pay grades and positions than yourself should certainly know this as well and should have done something about it by now. We will see how silly this talk of impeachment and idictments is when it dies down.  Neither will happen.

rgambs

unsung said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.

nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.

Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.

Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college.  But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.

If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about.  But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).

I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here.  You know I lean that way more than republican.  But the democratic party  is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again.  Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove. 

Peace friends, I'm only trying to help. 

It isn't antiquated.  Is free speech antiquated?  Freedom of religion?  Should we have to quarter soldiers in our homes?

Should black people be owned and considered 3/5ths of a person?
If you want to argue that the EC isn't antiquated you need a stronger position than "the Constitution is perfect and infallible".

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.

nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.

Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.

Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college.  But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.

If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about.  But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).

I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here.  You know I lean that way more than republican.  But the democratic party  is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again.  Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove. 

Peace friends, I'm only trying to help. 

It isn't antiquated.  Is free speech antiquated?  Freedom of religion?  Should we have to quarter soldiers in our homes?

Should black people be owned and considered 3/5ths of a person?
If you want to argue that the EC isn't antiquated you need a stronger position than "the Constitution is perfect and infallible".

***NEWSFLASH***

It has been amended.

Stop whining and deal with the big government that you asked for.

oftenreading

Fancy that. The Constitution has been amended. Guess that opens it up to being amended again, to correct some of the more problematic areas that haven't moved with the times 

Halifax2TheMax

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Because this quote system sucks and I want to spare everyone having to scroll down endlessly,

H2M, you said (The "libs" don't have to "prove" a thing. Neither does Mueller. All we want is a thorough investigation of Russia's meddling and Trump and his campaign's collusion. I, for one, believe Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia to throw or influence the election to Trump for a quid pro quo and/or because Trump is on a PTAPE. I've accepted that Trump is president but I believe, with Russian assistance, he knowingly stole it via Podesta emails, illegally obtained, and the Russian propagated disinformation campaign, Comet Pizza among others, micro targeted with knowledge and assistance of Trump campaign staff.
We'll see how silly all of this is when indictments are handed down. Anyone heard from Jared, dear boy?)


Lordy, that statement is a whole lot of beliefs.  Glad you accept that Trump is President.  "Knowingly"?  If you know this to be true, other people in much higher pay grades and positions than yourself should certainly know this as well and should have done something about it by now. We will see how silly this talk of impeachment and idictments is when it dies down.  Neither will happen.

Your reading comprehension needs some improvement. You should try to understand where you went wrong. Maybe less kardashians and more practice reading and comprehending?

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Lordy, if you thought my latest post (s) was not riddled w/ sarcasm you need to re-read.  So go on about your beliefs.

unsung

oftenreading said:

Fancy that. The Constitution has been amended. Guess that opens it up to being amended again, to correct some of the more problematic areas that haven't moved with the times 

I see no problem with it.

Clearly you only care because you lost.

The States created the federal government, not the other way around.

oftenreading

unsung said:

oftenreading said:

Fancy that. The Constitution has been amended. Guess that opens it up to being amended again, to correct some of the more problematic areas that haven't moved with the times 

I see no problem with it.

Clearly you only care because you lost.

The States created the federal government, not the other way around.

I lost? Fill me in on what I lost, please. 

I care about your Constitution for a few reasons that mostly have to do with people who I care about in the US who have to live with some of the more serious consequences of that problematic document. 

Halifax2TheMax

Who owns 666 5th Avenue? That's who you should blame. He and his deals with the devil!

PJfanwillneverleave1

People who think like this and are given a platform by such as these is another reason.  Get off your ass and cut some grass.
After Western Michigan University rented a crew of 20 goats to clear weeds and brush this summer, AFSCME “filed a grievance contending that the work the goats are doing in a wooded lot is taking away jobs from laid-off union workers,”

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/markets/analysis-forget-robots-—-the-goats-are-coming-for-our-jobs/ar-BBE1ldk?li=AA54rW&ocid=spartanntp

cincybearcat

Lots to blame for trump:

1) People that ignored so many red flags just to elect a non-politician.
2) The GOP & DNC - they have been ignoring a large group of Americans and focusing on running for office instead of running the country.
3) Hillary and the democrats that nominated her. She had little chance to win against most candidates. She had been in government soooo long she was exactly what people wanted to vote AGAINST.
4) Liberal elitists - claiming those that disagree are not as evolved (deplorables).
5) GOP - allowing trump to take over the party when he isn't much of a republican. Failing to unite to defeat him in the primary.


im sure I'm missing some.

ledvedderman

I bet they would have been happy to cut the grass just fine had they been given the job. I see no fault of the union here. I blame the person who hires goats over human beings with families and mouths to feed. That just seems like the ethical thing to do. 

PJfanwillneverleave1

ledvedderman said:

I bet they would have been happy to cut the grass just fine had they been given the job. I see no fault of the union here. I blame the person who hires goats over human beings with families and mouths to feed. That just seems like the ethical thing to do. 

This is why your country will forever be divided.  Blame everyone for being jobless.  No one wants to work.

ledvedderman

Where does the article or I ever imply that people don't want to work? It sounds like people were laid off (not their choice) and instead of being hired back- goats were used in the name of cutting costs. 

Halifax2TheMax

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

I bet they would have been happy to cut the grass just fine had they been given the job. I see no fault of the union here. I blame the person who hires goats over human beings with families and mouths to feed. That just seems like the ethical thing to do. 

This is why your country will forever be divided.  Blame everyone for being jobless.  No one wants to work.

Less than 5% unemployment, basically considered "full employment." Thanks Obama!

mfc2006

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

I bet they would have been happy to cut the grass just fine had they been given the job. I see no fault of the union here. I blame the person who hires goats over human beings with families and mouths to feed. That just seems like the ethical thing to do. 

This is why your country will forever be divided.  Blame everyone for being jobless.  No one wants to work.

Yeah, no one wants to work. 

Unreal. Keep trolling and pissing people off. You're quite good at it.

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

Lots to blame for trump:

1) People that ignored so many red flags just to elect a non-politician.
2) The GOP & DNC - they have been ignoring a large group of Americans and focusing on running for office instead of running the country.
3) Hillary and the democrats that nominated her. She had little chance to win against most candidates. She had been in government soooo long she was exactly what people wanted to vote AGAINST.
4) Liberal elitists - claiming those that disagree are not as evolved (deplorables).
5) GOP - allowing trump to take over the party when he isn't much of a republican. Failing to unite to defeat him in the primary.


im sure I'm missing some.

  Generally, a pretty good summation here, seems to me.  My take on your 5, Cincy:

1.  Yes.  A growing lack of trust in politicians is well warranted but the protest vote for D.T. is a bit like snubbing the girlfriend or boyfriend you had an argument with by going out with the girl or guy you know damned well is nothing but trouble.
 
2.  Yes and both doing so with a distinct lack of quality leadership.  Though I will say, no matter what one's view of his policies, at least Obama showed a good deal of class and acted presidential enough to not make the country look totally ridiculous.

3.  Yes, and sorry my democrat friends, you know I lean far more democrat than republican- obviously- but Hillary was the wrong choice.  The fact is, way too many who lean democrat saw her as being too "same old business as usual" and in bed with corporate America.  

4. Yes and no.  Liberal elitists can be obnoxious in a "true believer" sense and often are too self-righteous but they do tend to be well educated.  Though they can often be hypocritical about some issues (do as I say not as I do with my wealth), in general are more supportive of environment and social issues.  Many, me included at times, would do well to learn more humility. 

On the other end of the spectrum, the far right seem to me to be somewhere between a fly in the ointment and a hot poker up the butt.  They very often have little concern for environment, are more war like, tolerate western fundamentalism far more and quietly want to keep the uneducated from thinking too freely.

5. Yes.  The GOP, tries to appeal to the worst attributes of conservatism rather than appeal to it's better attributes such as conservation, firm but loving discipline, a more humble form of faith, generosity, and having enough class to not wear flip flops and tired t-shirts to a nice restaurant... or maybe that's just what people on booth sides of the isle do today.  I cringe when I see people dressed like slobs in a decent restaurant.