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Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama! No, Trump voters and supporters are responsible for Trump. They own it, him and his policies.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama! No, Trump voters and supporters are responsible for Trump. They own it, him and his policies.
Well at least they can accept it. Hillary voters and supporters can't accept their loss and blame Russia. Sad!0 -
So you admit that Russia elected Trump. Progress.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama! No, Trump voters and supporters are responsible for Trump. They own it, him and his policies.
Well at least they can accept it. Hillary voters and supporters can't accept their loss and blame Russia. Sad!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487How can you possibly deduct that?
Any other candidate would have beat him, except maybe Sanders.0 -
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college. But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.
If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about. But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).
I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here. You know I lean that way more than republican. But the democratic party is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again. Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove.
Peace friends, I'm only trying to help.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I thought the 2007 writer's strike was to blame for Trump.
Changed the fortune of his TV career and turned him into a celebrity - a thing Conservatives love to vote for.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
The Constitution is to blame, admit it. Admit that you hate having rules for government.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
It isn't antiquated. Is free speech antiquated? Freedom of religion? Should we have to quarter soldiers in our homes?brianlux said:
Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college. But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.
If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about. But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).
I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here. You know I lean that way more than republican. But the democratic party is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again. Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove.
Peace friends, I'm only trying to help.0 -
Yes, there are still some like yourself who find the electoral college worth hanging on to. That wasn't my main point.unsung said:
It isn't antiquated. Is free speech antiquated? Freedom of religion? Should we have to quarter soldiers in our homes?brianlux said:
Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college. But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for Donald Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.
If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about. But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).
I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here. You know I lean that way more than republican. But the democratic party is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again. Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove.
Peace friends, I'm only trying to help.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487It is absolutely worth having. I can't understand why people don't see that.0
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Again, that wasn't my main point. Perhaps go to the search bar and type in "electoral college". There are several threads about that subject already.unsung said:It is absolutely worth having. I can't understand why people don't see that.
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Nikki Haley said right on the ole TV just about yesterday Russia interfered with the US election, why don't you?brianlux said:
Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college. But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for I Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.
If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about. But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).
I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here. You know I lean that way more than republican. But the democratic party is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again. Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove.
Peace friends, I'm only trying to help.
We know Russia hacked Podesta's emails. We know they hacked private Dem strategic playbooks regarding the general election. We know they employed thousands of agents creating fake news stories attacking Clinton. We know they disseminated tens of millions of malicious bots attacking any pro Hillary message on social media.
Clinton was once a popular politician. Yes she had terrible messaging, but the dem convention was a show stopper, and she trounced him in all three debates. Yet, entering election day, her reputation was horrible. All because she wanted to work from home?0 -
My understanding is that we don't know these things for a fact, we suspect them.Lerxst1992 said:
Nikki Haley said right on the ole TV just about yesterday Russia interfered with the US election, why don't you?brianlux said:
Unfortunately, she didn't get enough of them in the right states because we still have the antiquated electoral college. But maybe it's more about the people who didn't vote than it was about the ones who voted for whom.Gern Blansten said:
nope....she got 3 million more votes than tRump.unsung said:This is who is to blame for I Trump.
Russian interference and ignorant Americans are to blame.
If the whole Russian interference thing turns out to be true we will have something to bitch about. But there are some sharp minds who believe the whole Russian things is simply smoke and mirrors that democrats hang on to rather than face up to having made some poor choices (see photo above, for example).
I'm not saying any of this to piss off my democrat friends here. You know I lean that way more than republican. But the democratic party is in nearly just as much disarray and the sooner that is recognized, the sooner something will be done to make it a strong party again. Let's start facing reality and stop blaming things we cannot prove.
Peace friends, I'm only trying to help.
We know Russia hacked Podesta's emails. We know they hacked private Dem strategic playbooks regarding the general election. We know they employed thousands of agents creating fake news stories attacking Clinton. We know they disseminated tens of millions of malicious bots attacking any pro Hillary message on social media.
Clinton was once a popular politician. Yes she had terrible messaging, but the dem convention was a show stopper, and she trounced him in all three debates. Yet, entering election day, her reputation was horrible. All because she wanted to work from home?
What we do know is that many voters stayed home and we do know that Hillary is business as usual with her strong corporate ties which is why many did not support her. She just was not a strong candidate.
Edit: and none of the uproar about Russia is doing anything to strengthen the democratic party. If anything, it detracts from that. If the dems want another republican in the presidency, they are going about ti the right way.
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With all the crying, hollering, marching and chanting that Russia caused the election results I'm curious as to what people want if this is found to be true.0
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Impeachment. And airing of the PTAPE on all the major networks, including Fox, during prime time with a parental guidance warning. It'll be bigger than Geraldo Rivera's opening of Al Capone's vault or the OJ chase and trial.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:With all the crying, hollering, marching and chanting that Russia caused the election results I'm curious as to what people want if this is found to be true.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Really? President Trump had nothing to do w/ it though.
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Yea, right.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Really? President Trump had nothing to do w/ it though.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, right.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Really? President Trump had nothing to do w/ it though.
I'm serious. The libs are going to have to prove how President Trump was involved in the Russian involvement of giving him the election victory. That aside, they also need to find a candidate fast that will beat President Trump in the next election. Russian talk is getting as old and silly as the hitler stuff, untenable to even listen to.0
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