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whoanelly15

By what standard is the US military not great?

Go Beavers

The military needs to be shrunk significantly, not expanded.

mcgruff10

whoanelly15 said:

By what standard is the US military not great?

The US military could beat anyone in the world if the press stayed out of it and just let the military do their job. Historians have theorized that if the current day press was the same in the 1940's the u.s. might have lost ww2.

Go Beavers

That pesky press playing that role necessary in a free society.

lukin2006

Go Beavers said:

The military needs to be shrunk significantly, not expanded.

We finally agree on something...miracles

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

whoanelly15 said:

By what standard is the US military not great?

The US military could beat anyone in the world if the press stayed out of it and just let the military do their job. Historians have theorized that if the current day press was the same in the 1940's the u.s. might have lost ww2.

I don't believe that for a second.
Monitoring resources and troop movements is war 101, do you really buy that Trump line of logic that ISIS wouldn't have known we were attacking Mosul if the press wasn't involved? That seems pretty naive.

CM189191

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

JC29856

The people who voted for Trump or Clinton have little in common with either. And much more in common with each other. We must remember that.

josevolution

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

JC29856

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

60million voted for a wall! Hehehe....Hilliary lost to a wall. lmfao!

JC29856

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

Hilliary lost to a pipe dream! Lmfao!

tbergs

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

Hilliary lost to a pipe dream! Lmfao!

You live in the USA, right? What is so funny about any of this?

PJfanwillneverleave1

tbergs said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

Hilliary lost to a pipe dream! Lmfao!

You live in the USA, right? What is so funny about any of this?

It's funny because President-elect Trump decided to run when he knew the war of minds could not be matched.
President-elect Trump treated Hillary as equally as his republican opponents during his campaign - he called them all losers.
The dream that won't be fulfilled is the one the liberals wished came true.

PP193448

Go Beavers said:

The military needs to be shrunk significantly, not expanded.

Government too.

Go Beavers

PP193448 said:

Go Beavers said:

The military needs to be shrunk significantly, not expanded.

Government too.

Shrinking the military would be shrinking the government.

PP193448

Go Beavers said:

PP193448 said:

Go Beavers said:

The military needs to be shrunk significantly, not expanded.

Government too.

Shrinking the military would be shrinking the government.

Yes, but that's just one facet.

rollings

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

you said it right there

concrete

whoanelly15

whoanelly15 said:

For the thinkers who are willing to try to leave the anger out of this, maybe do some reading, and answer me one question...

How is any of this GOOD for our country or our world in 2017 and beyond?

Taxes
Trump’s tax policy proposes very conservative cuts for middle and lower classes (all less than 10%) to reduce revenue/debt over a 10-year period, but boasts a 10.2% rise in after tax income for the populace “overall”. This is because he boasts significantly greater gains for the top 10% (14.6%) and even more for the top 1% (21.6%). Despite this, the people who stand to gain the least from his tax policy still voted for him.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan


Climate Change
This is some of the best evidence available in climate change study all thrown into a single article. Trump and his newly appointed EPA-transition advisor are laughing in the face of the best available science and data.
http://www.businessinsider.com/irrefutable-signs-climate-change-is-real-2016-11?r=UK&IR=T/#in-2013-co2-levels-in-the-air-surpassed-400-parts-per-million-ppm-the-highest-in-human-history-5

This one is included, but is particularly disturbing. http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/
You can argue that the temperature change overall might yet be within a normal variance, but the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are off the charts since the mid 20th century.

He also has a similar take on vaccinations, suggesting that they cause Autism. This has also been debunked by the best available research.


Gun Control
Trump's proposals will make it quicker and easier for people to buy guns, including assault weapons that are especially deadly in mass casualty shootings. He also proposes that we lift gun-restricted zones at public places, including hospitals, libraries and schools.

http://theconversation.com/guns-in-donald-trumps-america-63987

Again - what am I missing?

Obviously, there are other issues, but if we're going to keep this conversation going, we might as well be civil and tackle them one at a time. Otherwise, what's the point?

Still waiting. Anyone who voted in support of these policies willing/able to defend theme here and now?

josevolution

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

tbergs said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

dignin said:

How is America going to fund THE WALL? I'm interested in concrete answers.

put it in the national security/military budget and build the damn thing

pay for it with Monopoly money

An Engineer Explains Why Trump’s Wall Is So Implausible
Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — a project that, unlike Trump’s wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.
Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis — and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.
That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

$17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. This doesn't take into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition.

Great info I can't wait till his base realizes that he sold them a dream world that will not be realized!

Hilliary lost to a pipe dream! Lmfao!

You live in the USA, right? What is so funny about any of this?

It's funny because President-elect Trump decided to run when he knew the war of minds could not be matched.
President-elect Trump treated Hillary as equally as his republican opponents during his campaign - he called them all losers.
The dream that won't be fulfilled is the one the liberals wished came true.

Wrong I'm ok with Bafoon as president he sold the uneducated a dream wall that will never be and jobs that won't be coming back to bumhick Indiana .. the last laugh will be on his base ..

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

emails. that's why this guy is president.

It is proven a fact that Hillarys camp sabotaged and rigged the primaries. Bernie would have crushed Donald...

The emails were a reason too.

I really have no idea if Bernie would have crushed Trump, but I personally doubt it. It seems to me that Americans are really freaked out by socialism. Like, McCarthy levels of freaked out by it, in a lot of cases. They think it is "anti-American". Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe Bernie would have squeaked by... but we will never know. I don't think it's something anyone should really be declaring with confidence.