Everyone needs to calm down

unsung

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

JC29856

Good advice, these might help:
Chamomile.
Ashwagandha.
Passionflower.
Magnesium.
High Quality Green and Black Teas.
Lavender.
Kava.

HughFreakingDillon

Its not that the pres has too much power with relation to each individual here. But in your country, the president has immense influence, especially when fear of the boogeyman is involved. I dont fear the president. I am concerned for the potential victims of his most extreme supporters, of which there are many. The lowest common denominator. The people telling citizens to "go home", flying white supremacicst flags, some of this starting yesterday, which is not a coincidence.

The american people have been taught to believe that they, and their government, are the saviours of the world against all that is evil. Even when they are that evil.

USA! USA! USA!

That gives any leader immense influence.

I dont know that anyone is really foretelling the end of civilization here. They are just incredibly disappointed that a guy who has been joked about on the Simpsons a decade and a half ago as being the POTUS, is now exactly that. It is a joke, seemingly being played on the american people. and by extension, the globe.

And the anger, fear, and racism that has been shown during this campaign is a little concerning.

OffSheGoes35

rustneversleeps

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

HughFreakingDillon

rustneversleeps said:

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

oh the drama. I have seen none of what you think you have seen.

rustneversleeps

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

oh the drama. I have seen none of what you think you have seen.

im not allowed to discuss anything with you Hugh, but its good to see you arent scared anymore.

HughFreakingDillon

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

oh the drama. I have seen none of what you think you have seen.

im not allowed to discuss anything with you Hugh, but its good to see you arent scared anymore.

huh?

never was scared. jesus, the projection around here is astounding.

rustneversleeps

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

oh the drama. I have seen none of what you think you have seen.

im not allowed to discuss anything with you Hugh, but its good to see you arent scared anymore.

huh?

never was scared. jesus, the projection around here is astounding.

have a swell day Hugh.

2-feign-reluctance

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

rustneversleeps

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

very well put 2-feign, i agree with everything you said here.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

unsung said:

Take a deep breath.

Shut off your electronic devices.

Go outside.

I have had to deal with 24 years of misery through these last three Presidents. If you fear a President then the President has too much power. Don't be the person that embraces it when it is your guy but starts with the impeach/secede/riot/assassination talk when it isn't. I have a very slight amount of optimism simply due to the talk of ending unfavorable trade agreements.

You wanted big government, now you got it. Government should be a blip in your life, not a necessity. Work towards that, wean yourself off of the system, grow your own veggies, start a business. Continue these practices no matter who is President.

Opt out.

That's how I got through it.

thank you. its a shame you didn't post this yesterday, the fear was overwhelming around here. im sure it wont change today either, another day in the AMT, another day of fear, assumptions, and hate toward America. what else is new....

oh the drama. I have seen none of what you think you have seen.

Check out the Occupy Democrats page on facebook.

I am starting to believe that Democrats don't know the definition of "literally".

As in comments I have seen:

Trump is literally Hitler.

And

Trump is literally worse than 9/11.

Neither of which is literally true.

pjalive21

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

Wow....best thing i have read...completely with you

ponytd

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

As a self-called moderate Republican, and one who doesn't really like Trump (nor Clinton), I wish, and hope, more people come to the realization that you have. There has been way too much overreaction to this election. People need to calm down and realize that the only way to move forward is to work together. I hope that our government, led by Trump (never thought I'd say that lol) can work together. There hasn't been much of that in the last 16 years. To truly make this country great, we all need to swallow our pride, make compromises and do what is best for everyone.

HughFreakingDillon

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I don't think any of us believed he'd get elected. I posted several times when the primaries began that he would go down in embarassing fashion, thinking he'd start out strong and fizzle like Giuliani did. I was wrong. Then I said he'd get demolished in the general. I was wrong. And I was shocked as all hell.

But I simply cannot fathom voting in a sociopath for one word: "change". I understand how many in the working class feel forgotten. But this guy doesn't "get them". Neither did Hillary, but to believe he did is beyond me. Very few, if any, politicians at this level understand the working class. When a large segment of your population is desperate for change, that can be a very dangerous thing.

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.

But I still find it incredibly embarassing to the US that this guy is the president of the US. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do, it's a stain on the office. Especially following Obama. Jesus.

Justin Trudeau is probably thinking "I didn't sign up for this shit". LOL

JC29856

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

One thing we will get is a crashed economy, Trump now provides a perfect excuse for the wall streeters to "correct" the economic bubble.

ponytd

JC29856 said:

One thing we will get is a crashed economy, Trump now provides a perfect excuse for the wall streeters to "correct" the economic bubble.

Unless something catastrophic happens, or we go to war for no reason, no, we probably won't have a market crash. History tells us that usually, the markets don't do as well in the first 2 years of a president's term, but go up in the last 2 years. Democrats in the White House usually seem to see a higher gain on the market at 9% avg gains compared to 6% for Republicans, but when one party has control of the White House and Congress, avg gains are around 16.9%. The market goes up, and then it goes down. What will happen...who knows? It may get bad for a while, but it will go back up. On election night, the futures were tanking, but the market actually did good yesterday and is up 140pts today already

Go Beavers

We're right on schedule for a recession, regardless of who's president.

JC29856

ponytd said:

JC29856 said:

One thing we will get is a crashed economy, Trump now provides a perfect excuse for the wall streeters to "correct" the economic bubble.

Unless something catastrophic happens, or we go to war for no reason, no, we probably won't have a market crash. History tells us that usually, the markets don't do as well in the first 2 years of a president's term, but go up in the last 2 years. Democrats in the White House usually seem to see a higher gain on the market at 9% avg gains compared to 6% for Republicans, but when one party has control of the White House and Congress, avg gains are around 16.9%. The market goes up, and then it goes down. What will happen...who knows? It may get bad for a while, but it will go back up. On election night, the futures were tanking, but the market actually did good yesterday and is up 140pts today already

Wall street was heavily invested in Hilliary, Trump is an outsider, our economy has been propped up, interests rates and inflation are backwards, a "correction" is needed and Trump provides the excuse we told you so. Otherwise, the banksters threaten trump with tanking the economy and leaving it in his lap which would lead to more bailouts.

2-feign-reluctance

HughFreakingDillon said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I don't think any of us believed he'd get elected. I posted several times when the primaries began that he would go down in embarassing fashion, thinking he'd start out strong and fizzle like Giuliani did. I was wrong. Then I said he'd get demolished in the general. I was wrong. And I was shocked as all hell.

But I simply cannot fathom voting in a sociopath for one word: "change". I understand how many in the working class feel forgotten. But this guy doesn't "get them". Neither did Hillary, but to believe he did is beyond me. Very few, if any, politicians at this level understand the working class. When a large segment of your population is desperate for change, that can be a very dangerous thing.

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.

But I still find it incredibly embarassing to the US that this guy is the president of the US. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do, it's a stain on the office. Especially following Obama. Jesus.

Justin Trudeau is probably thinking "I didn't sign up for this shit". LOL

Only thing we can do where Trump is concerned, is sit back and watch to see if he meant it all. At this very moment in time, I have nothing direct to FEAR. Like I said, I detest the human qualities and I feel this way about others too, but at this time, Thursday 11/10/16, I can't allow myself to fear a bunch of 'what ifs'. Gets me nowhere, and as a therapist I work with people on this very action. So like Anthony Kides once preached, "walk it like you talk it"....that's where I am today.

ponytd

JC29856 said:

ponytd said:

JC29856 said:

One thing we will get is a crashed economy, Trump now provides a perfect excuse for the wall streeters to "correct" the economic bubble.

Unless something catastrophic happens, or we go to war for no reason, no, we probably won't have a market crash. History tells us that usually, the markets don't do as well in the first 2 years of a president's term, but go up in the last 2 years. Democrats in the White House usually seem to see a higher gain on the market at 9% avg gains compared to 6% for Republicans, but when one party has control of the White House and Congress, avg gains are around 16.9%. The market goes up, and then it goes down. What will happen...who knows? It may get bad for a while, but it will go back up. On election night, the futures were tanking, but the market actually did good yesterday and is up 140pts today already

Wall street was heavily invested in Hilliary, Trump is an outsider, our economy has been propped up, interests rates and inflation are backwards, a "correction" is needed and Trump provides the excuse we told you so. Otherwise, the banksters threaten trump with tanking the economy and leaving it in his lap which would lead to more bailouts.

we could go through a recession, but who knows. It really is up in the air since Trump is an outsider. We won't know what his policies are going to be

HughFreakingDillon

2-feign-reluctance said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I don't think any of us believed he'd get elected. I posted several times when the primaries began that he would go down in embarassing fashion, thinking he'd start out strong and fizzle like Giuliani did. I was wrong. Then I said he'd get demolished in the general. I was wrong. And I was shocked as all hell.

But I simply cannot fathom voting in a sociopath for one word: "change". I understand how many in the working class feel forgotten. But this guy doesn't "get them". Neither did Hillary, but to believe he did is beyond me. Very few, if any, politicians at this level understand the working class. When a large segment of your population is desperate for change, that can be a very dangerous thing.

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.

But I still find it incredibly embarassing to the US that this guy is the president of the US. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do, it's a stain on the office. Especially following Obama. Jesus.

Justin Trudeau is probably thinking "I didn't sign up for this shit". LOL

Only thing we can do where Trump is concerned, is sit back and watch to see if he meant it all. At this very moment in time, I have nothing direct to FEAR. Like I said, I detest the human qualities and I feel this way about others too, but at this time, Thursday 11/10/16, I can't allow myself to fear a bunch of 'what ifs'. Gets me nowhere, and as a therapist I work with people on this very action. So like Anthony Kides once preached, "walk it like you talk it"....that's where I am today.

well as I said many times, I'm not fearing anything. just a discussion of hypotheticals. I can't imagine he will do none of what he said he wanted to do. I hope he doesn't. I hope he's the least effective president in history (with the exception of economics).

2-feign-reluctance

JC29856 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

One thing we will get is a crashed economy, Trump now provides a perfect excuse for the wall streeters to "correct" the economic bubble.

Again, predictions. I am not going to allow a bunch of what ifs to rule my day until they ACTUALLY DO, and then you know what? I'll figure out something, because that's where I'm at man. My family and I work and when obstacles happen, we either figure out what we can do or do nothing. He can do things that I won't agree with, he can affect my fellow brothers and sisters and yes, that will make me sad, but where I am concerned, I can only do what I do and turn my attention to that and occasionally this forum....

2-feign-reluctance

and as a side note, I am so glad I dumped Facebook and all social media last year. It's not worth it to me. At least here there is some intelligent discussion.

benjs

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I agree with this, and think Trump's win has to be one of the greatest successes in mobilization and unification since the end of the Vietnam War. That being said, I hope that the American people can hold Trump accountable to the people on topics which dissuaded them from voting for Clinton: deflections and obfuscations to keep real topics off the table or unaddressed (why were climate change or the $10B military assistance package with Israel not discussed at the Presidential debate), accepting lobbyist dollars, favouring self-serving ideas from the rich. Trump in office doesn't have to be the apocalypse, but we probably shouldn't turn off our bullshit alarms. In addition, I really hope that socially, America can succeed in combatting the divisive and derogatory rhetoric which Trump has used regularly.

Honestly, I'd just love to find out that my worry was unwarranted, because I'd love for America to change for the better - it affects us all.

2-feign-reluctance

benjs said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I agree with this, and think Trump's win has to be one of the greatest successes in mobilization and unification since the end of the Vietnam War. That being said, I hope that the American people can hold Trump accountable to the people on topics which dissuaded them from voting for Clinton: deflections and obfuscations to keep real topics off the table or unaddressed (why were climate change or the $10B military assistance package with Israel not discussed at the Presidential debate), accepting lobbyist dollars, favouring self-serving ideas from the rich. Trump in office doesn't have to be the apocalypse, but we probably shouldn't turn off our bullshit alarms. In addition, I really hope that socially, America can succeed in combatting the divisive and derogatory rhetoric which Trump has used regularly.

Honestly, I'd just love to find out that my worry was unwarranted, because I'd love for America to change for the better - it affects us all.

Agreed, but whilst we all wait, there's plenty of HERE AND NOW to focus on right?

what dreams

2-feign-reluctance said:

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.



There is no more "checks and balances." We lost all three branches of government for a very long time. That's why I'm having such a hard time calming down.

We are about to enter an era of one party rule, in other words, a dictatorship, with the ruling party being more extreme than most people fully understand.

People complain about divided government and gridlock. Wait until you see what one party rule brings us.

Don't expect to change course in 2018 or 2020 or anytime soon. By capturing almost 40 statehouses across the nation, they have gerrymandered the districts so their power is practically undefeatable. They did all this on the sly while everybody else was distracted with stupid, stupid stuff.

A walk in the woods is not going to change these facts for me. Yet I'm going to take a walk in the woods anyway. Ugh.

ponytd

what dreams said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.

There is no more "checks and balances." We lost all three branches of government for a very long time. That's why I'm having such a hard time calming down.

We are about to enter an era of one party rule, in other words, a dictatorship, with the ruling party being more extreme than most people fully understand.

People complain about divided government and gridlock. Wait until you see what one party rule brings us.

Don't expect to change course in 2018 or 2020 or anytime soon. By capturing almost 40 statehouses across the nation, they have gerrymandered the districts so their power is practically undefeatable. They did all this on the sly while everybody else was distracted with stupid, stupid stuff.

A walk in the woods is not going to change these facts for me. Yet I'm going to take a walk in the woods anyway. Ugh.

And this is the 14th time that has happened since the 1920's where one party has controlled the White House and Congress. The most recent being President Obama's first term in office. This isn't unprecedented. basically, 25% of the time over the last 100 years have been spent with one single party in control. They're not going to start overturning every law that Democrat's have put in place.

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I had Trump all wrong the whole time. I posted so many times basically telling you all there was no way he'd get elected. I am eating a lot of crow with my coffee this morning. I am a white, overly educated professional who has never known a blue collar working class life. I failed to see how all along Trump was mobilizing our working class (not all of which are racist, etc., etc., etcs) but honest hard working people who have had it with government. Looking deeper, talking with people I know, reaching out to my blue collar working friends, I get it and I failed to see how Trump could be appealing to anyone by completely forgetting about our rust belt. That's on me. I was in my own little bubble, filled with job security, great home, benefits, etc., etc., and this morning I feel like a very judgemental asshole. I truly believe in the 'Forward, Together' mantra coined by the DNC this year and that means everyone. I don't have to like Trump the man - in fact I don't. I just don't. He stands for everything I detest in humans. But, spending my time brooding about it, getting all pissy is getting me nowhere. And while I won't out and say I will support Trump in any fashion, I am going to focus my energies on what matters and send a lot of hope that the people that essentially elected Trump gets what they want from his presidency, because I believe we should all feel some level of contentment and happiness in our lives and if this is what MIGHT do it for our working class and all who voted for him, and the result are more happy and content people, then I am more content.

I don't think any of us believed he'd get elected. I posted several times when the primaries began that he would go down in embarassing fashion, thinking he'd start out strong and fizzle like Giuliani did. I was wrong. Then I said he'd get demolished in the general. I was wrong. And I was shocked as all hell.

But I simply cannot fathom voting in a sociopath for one word: "change". I understand how many in the working class feel forgotten. But this guy doesn't "get them". Neither did Hillary, but to believe he did is beyond me. Very few, if any, politicians at this level understand the working class. When a large segment of your population is desperate for change, that can be a very dangerous thing.

I go back and forth on this. "how much damage can he really do with all the checks and balances in the US process?" back to "he's going to destroy international relations and possibly start a new massive recession". He may do damage, he may do zero. Only time will tell.

But I still find it incredibly embarassing to the US that this guy is the president of the US. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do, it's a stain on the office. Especially following Obama. Jesus.

Justin Trudeau is probably thinking "I didn't sign up for this shit". LOL

People are tired of the status quo. It is that simple.

pjalive21

Great piece on CNN today......

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/opinions/liberals-chill-out-about-trump-victory-stanley/index.html

Thirty Bills Unpaid

OffSheGoes35 said:

One can never have too much Jack Handey.