What free for all, head banging, knuckle busting freak out this election is this year! I hope when it's all over we all come to the realization that damn few of these high power politicians really give one half of a rats behind about you 'n me and we just all meet up at Ed's place for a beer or a smoke or a little snort of something and play some good blues.
Cheers, people.
Didn't most of us reach that realization about politicians years and years ago?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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brianlux
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What free for all, head banging, knuckle busting freak out this election is this year! I hope when it's all over we all come to the realization that damn few of these high power politicians really give one half of a rats behind about you 'n me and we just all meet up at Ed's place for a beer or a smoke or a little snort of something and play some good blues.
Cheers, people.
Didn't most of us reach that realization about politicians years and years ago?
Can you believe this load of...
Wh... er, ah... what?
I don't mean to be bragging, but I don't recall ever being called corrupt or uncaring.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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brianlux
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Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
Jill won't get elected this time- pretty sure all would agree on- but who knows, maybe after this fiasco of an election she will have a shot at it in 2020. In any case, what I hope we get out of Stein running is at the very least her contributing to the possibility of viable third parties, more accountability from the dems and reps, a good role model for caring about indigenous rights, ending racism, caring about the health of the planet, and hope that we could actually expect politicians to be more honest, caring and responsible.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
Jill won't get elected this time- pretty sure all would agree on- but who knows, maybe after this fiasco of an election she will have a shot at it in 2020. In any case, what I hope we get out of Stein running is at the very least her contributing to the possibility of viable third parties, more accountability from the dems and reps, a good role model for caring about indigenous rights, ending racism, caring about the health of the planet, and hope that we could actually expect politicians to be more honest, caring and responsible.
I see Bernie as that figure more than I see Jill that way, even though Bernie is kind of without a party (and old), but yeah, either way, time will tell! I am not sure the Green Party could ever do much just because I don't think people will ever see it as a party that can handle multiple platforms well. But maybe, just maybe, the US will manage a 3rd major party someday... and maybe it will be further left instead of far right, which is absolutely an equal possibility (just like we're seeing in Europe now).
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brianlux
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Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
Jill won't get elected this time- pretty sure all would agree on- but who knows, maybe after this fiasco of an election she will have a shot at it in 2020. In any case, what I hope we get out of Stein running is at the very least her contributing to the possibility of viable third parties, more accountability from the dems and reps, a good role model for caring about indigenous rights, ending racism, caring about the health of the planet, and hope that we could actually expect politicians to be more honest, caring and responsible.
I see Bernie as that figure more than I see Jill that way, even though Bernie is kind of without a party (and old), but yeah, either way, time will tell! I am not sure the Green Party could ever do much just because I don't think people will ever it as a party that can handle multiple platforms well. But maybe, just maybe, the US will manage a 3rd major party someday... and maybe it will be further left instead of far right, which is absolutely an equal possibility (just like we're seeing in Europe now).
I really like Bernie a lot- what a good thing he's done for the political arena and I hope his influence carries on but I can't picture him running in four years and his throwing his chips in with Hillary (I'm guessing for good reasons we may not even fully understand) more or less ruined his credibility with classic progressives (classic as opposed to to neo-progressives who support Hillary and use the term "progressive"). Jill Stein represents a new, fresh world view that focuses on health of the planet, fairness, justice, ending racism, respect for indigenous cultures, compassion, peace, honesty, caring and integrity. We would be wise to stop supporting the old guard and should look for these qualities in all politicians.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
Jill won't get elected this time- pretty sure all would agree on- but who knows, maybe after this fiasco of an election she will have a shot at it in 2020. In any case, what I hope we get out of Stein running is at the very least her contributing to the possibility of viable third parties, more accountability from the dems and reps, a good role model for caring about indigenous rights, ending racism, caring about the health of the planet, and hope that we could actually expect politicians to be more honest, caring and responsible.
I see Bernie as that figure more than I see Jill that way, even though Bernie is kind of without a party (and old), but yeah, either way, time will tell! I am not sure the Green Party could ever do much just because I don't think people will ever it as a party that can handle multiple platforms well. But maybe, just maybe, the US will manage a 3rd major party someday... and maybe it will be further left instead of far right, which is absolutely an equal possibility (just like we're seeing in Europe now).
I really like Bernie a lot- what a good thing he's done for the political arena and I hope his influence carries on but I can't picture him running in four years and his throwing his chips in with Hillary (I'm guessing for good reasons we may not even fully understand) more or less ruined his credibility with classic progressives (classic as opposed to to neo-progressives who support Hillary and use the term "progressive"). Jill Stein represents a new, fresh world view that focuses on health of the planet, fairness, justice, ending racism, respect for indigenous cultures, compassion, peace, honesty, caring and integrity. We would be wise to stop supporting the old guard and should look for these qualities in all politicians.
Well I fully understand Bernie's reasons for endorsing Hillary. It's not a mystery - he's been very straightforward. Some people just don't agree with his reasoning. I do, personally. I also think that there are people are so blinded by this popular illogical level of loathing for Clinton that they would probably very stupidly judge Bernie for his reasoning, but clearly I "get it".
Anyway, yes, I know and admire the Green Party's positions (I even voted for them once or twice in my time). What they have to do, though, is become more pragmatic and realistic, at least in terms of how they present themselves. They kind of come off as the Utopia party to those who aren't very familiar with them, and I think it repels the vast majority of poeple .... I can appreciate the sentiment and feeling behind that kind of presentation, but I really don't think that method will EVER get them moving up in the polls just because of that stigma. They probably need to compromise and be a little more open to current real life politics if they ever want to succeed as a third party. If they don't, if they choose to stand strong with their ideals and how they present them without compromise, the Green Party will always just be the party that reminds people that there is a party with a fresh world view. And that's it. I'm afraid American culture is just too profit-focused and too focused on the individual for that to really happen. The whole capitalist and individualistic ideal in the US is one of its main defining factors as a nation and culture, and I don't see that disappearing in the next couple of centuries unless everything really goes to hell, like the supervolcano blows or the country gets nuked or something like that. Or if there is a really devastating economic collapse. I hope I'm wrong, but yeah, I am very cynical in terms of politics, and I think I have good reason to be, despite the fact that I have pretty damn idealistic, often socialist beliefs myself.
I see this separate from issues of integrity btw. I do think growing integrity and honesty in government, to some extent at least, is possible, and I actually think that what we really need is for all the baby boomers to die off and for millennials to start filtering in. That generation actually seems much more idealistic, socially responsible, and less concerned with money than the baby boomers ever were (people like Stein and Sanders aside). Much more so than Gen X too. I know everyone is always shitting on the millennials for all kinds of crap, and in some ways certain complaints are valid, particularly the part about how they seem to require quick gratification without putting in the time and their terrible taste in music, but for the most part it's simply another aging generation shitting on the young, just like every single aging generation has done since the beginning of time. Millennials actually have a lot of great potential IMO... well, the good ones anyway, lol.
Sorry, that was a novel.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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brianlux
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My best-case scenario for a cure for ESD (not that I suffer from that malady): Have enough people vote for 3rd party and write-in candidates such that no one gets enough electoral college votes to win and the Great Poohbah In The Sky comes down and says, "Alright Children of America, you've reallyscrewed it up this time!" (POOF! Suddenly Trump and Hillary turn into mice and scamper away.) "OK, people, I'm setting the clock back one year. Try again!"
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian, My best case scenario is this: Hillary happily at home in the White House w/ Bill, sitting near each other at her desk. They gaze longingly at each other for a moment when Bill reaches under his chin, and pulls up so that he pulls off his face only to reveal...
He was Donald Trump the whole time.
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Brian, My best case scenario is this: Hillary happily at home in the White House w/ Bill, sitting near each other at her desk. They gaze longingly at each other for a moment when Bill reaches under his chin, and pulls up so that he pulls off his face only to reveal...
He was Donald Trump the whole time.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
My best-case scenario for a cure for ESD (not that I suffer from that malady): Have enough people vote for 3rd party and write-in candidates such that no one gets enough electoral college votes to win and the Great Poohbah In The Sky comes down and says, "Alright Children of America, you've reallyscrewed it up this time!" (POOF! Suddenly Trump and Hillary turn into mice and scamper away.) "OK, people, I'm setting the clock back one year. Try again!"
Neither getting enough electoral college votes might be the wake up call America needs, because its a shit storm of a mess now...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Brian, My best case scenario is this: Hillary happily at home in the White House w/ Bill, sitting near each other at her desk. They gaze longingly at each other for a moment when Bill reaches under his chin, and pulls up so that he pulls off his face only to reveal...
He was Donald Trump the whole time.
Oddly thats not what I picture Bill doing in the white...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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brianlux
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My best-case scenario for a cure for ESD (not that I suffer from that malady): Have enough people vote for 3rd party and write-in candidates such that no one gets enough electoral college votes to win and the Great Poohbah In The Sky comes down and says, "Alright Children of America, you've reallyscrewed it up this time!" (POOF! Suddenly Trump and Hillary turn into mice and scamper away.) "OK, people, I'm setting the clock back one year. Try again!"
Neither getting enough electoral college votes might be the wake up call America needs, because its a shit storm of a mess now...
In all seriousness, it really would be.
Can it happen? What would we do if it did?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Lol, Brian, that's because she's never had the opportunity! I have no reason to blindly trust Jill Stein, as though she is above the realities of the presidency and being in a powerful political party. However, I have a bit more faith in Bernie Sanders.
Jill won't get elected this time- pretty sure all would agree on- but who knows, maybe after this fiasco of an election she will have a shot at it in 2020. In any case, what I hope we get out of Stein running is at the very least her contributing to the possibility of viable third parties, more accountability from the dems and reps, a good role model for caring about indigenous rights, ending racism, caring about the health of the planet, and hope that we could actually expect politicians to be more honest, caring and responsible.
I see Bernie as that figure more than I see Jill that way, even though Bernie is kind of without a party (and old), but yeah, either way, time will tell! I am not sure the Green Party could ever do much just because I don't think people will ever it as a party that can handle multiple platforms well. But maybe, just maybe, the US will manage a 3rd major party someday... and maybe it will be further left instead of far right, which is absolutely an equal possibility (just like we're seeing in Europe now).
I really like Bernie a lot- what a good thing he's done for the political arena and I hope his influence carries on but I can't picture him running in four years and his throwing his chips in with Hillary (I'm guessing for good reasons we may not even fully understand) more or less ruined his credibility with classic progressives (classic as opposed to to neo-progressives who support Hillary and use the term "progressive"). Jill Stein represents a new, fresh world view that focuses on health of the planet, fairness, justice, ending racism, respect for indigenous cultures, compassion, peace, honesty, caring and integrity. We would be wise to stop supporting the old guard and should look for these qualities in all politicians.
Bernie threw his chips in because when the Dems win the Senate, he will be Chairman of the Budget Committee, as the current ranking member.
Chess. It's all about power and control. You do what you gotta do to get it. I don't blame him. Brilliant move on his part.
My best-case scenario for a cure for ESD (not that I suffer from that malady): Have enough people vote for 3rd party and write-in candidates such that no one gets enough electoral college votes to win and the Great Poohbah In The Sky comes down and says, "Alright Children of America, you've reallyscrewed it up this time!" (POOF! Suddenly Trump and Hillary turn into mice and scamper away.) "OK, people, I'm setting the clock back one year. Try again!"
Neither getting enough electoral college votes might be the wake up call America needs, because its a shit storm of a mess now...
In all seriousness, it really would be.
Can it happen? What would we do if it did?
We would watch the House lose it's mind over choosing Clinton or Trump.
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Can you believe this load of...
Wh... er, ah... what?
I don't mean to be bragging, but I don't recall ever being called corrupt or uncaring.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Anyway, yes, I know and admire the Green Party's positions (I even voted for them once or twice in my time). What they have to do, though, is become more pragmatic and realistic, at least in terms of how they present themselves. They kind of come off as the Utopia party to those who aren't very familiar with them, and I think it repels the vast majority of poeple .... I can appreciate the sentiment and feeling behind that kind of presentation, but I really don't think that method will EVER get them moving up in the polls just because of that stigma. They probably need to compromise and be a little more open to current real life politics if they ever want to succeed as a third party. If they don't, if they choose to stand strong with their ideals and how they present them without compromise, the Green Party will always just be the party that reminds people that there is a party with a fresh world view. And that's it. I'm afraid American culture is just too profit-focused and too focused on the individual for that to really happen. The whole capitalist and individualistic ideal in the US is one of its main defining factors as a nation and culture, and I don't see that disappearing in the next couple of centuries unless everything really goes to hell, like the supervolcano blows or the country gets nuked or something like that. Or if there is a really devastating economic collapse. I hope I'm wrong, but yeah, I am very cynical in terms of politics, and I think I have good reason to be, despite the fact that I have pretty damn idealistic, often socialist beliefs myself.
I see this separate from issues of integrity btw. I do think growing integrity and honesty in government, to some extent at least, is possible, and I actually think that what we really need is for all the baby boomers to die off and for millennials to start filtering in. That generation actually seems much more idealistic, socially responsible, and less concerned with money than the baby boomers ever were (people like Stein and Sanders aside). Much more so than Gen X too. I know everyone is always shitting on the millennials for all kinds of crap, and in some ways certain complaints are valid, particularly the part about how they seem to require quick gratification without putting in the time and their terrible taste in music, but for the most part it's simply another aging generation shitting on the young, just like every single aging generation has done since the beginning of time. Millennials actually have a lot of great potential IMO... well, the good ones anyway, lol.
Sorry, that was a novel.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
He was Donald Trump the whole time.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Can it happen? What would we do if it did?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Chess. It's all about power and control. You do what you gotta do to get it. I don't blame him. Brilliant move on his part.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
After record ratings, CNN renews 2016 U.S. election for second season
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2016/11/record-ratings-cnn-renews-2016-us-election-second-season/
Or is it?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/can-you-bring-your-gun-to-vote/index.html
f me
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/donald-trump-soaks-in-the-adulation-in-improvised-final-stop/ar-AAk2mbK?li=AAggNb9&ocid=mailsignout
“We’re hours away from a once-in-a-lifetime change,” Mr. Trump said. “Today is our Independence Day, the day the American working class is going to strike back, finally.”
-EV 8/14/93
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/follow-minute-by-minute-coverage-of-america-s-choice-2016-1.3149685
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cbc-news-u-s-election-special-live-1.3687916
and here is CNN coverage http://www.cnn.com/
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"