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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,592
    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    jeffbr said:

    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    It's absolutely possible, although not easy. It's a fact that we're already at the point where people get along more than they don't. Because of this, international peace is possible and I believe will happen someday. Because of human ability to grow and change, referencing the past is not proof of out future.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177

    jeffbr said:

    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    It's absolutely possible, although not easy. It's a fact that we're already at the point where people get along more than they don't. Because of this, international peace is possible and I believe will happen someday. Because of human ability to grow and change, referencing the past is not proof of out future.
    When will this happen? I obviously completely disagree with your premise, and we will never be able to definitively resolve this. So I guess I'll just say that I hope you're right, but I don't believe it for one second.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    jeffbr said:

    jeffbr said:

    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    It's absolutely possible, although not easy. It's a fact that we're already at the point where people get along more than they don't. Because of this, international peace is possible and I believe will happen someday. Because of human ability to grow and change, referencing the past is not proof of out future.
    When will this happen? I obviously completely disagree with your premise, and we will never be able to definitively resolve this. So I guess I'll just say that I hope you're right, but I don't believe it for one second.
    It'll take awhile. We'll be dead and gone. I see people resolve things peacefully all the time. Now visualize that happening in the broader realm. Global conflict is still the choice of humans. Emphasis on choice.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Hey buddy, put 'em up!

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    As long as we the USA keeps supporting Israel we can never get out of their conflicts , last nights debate Trump named every nation we should leave to their own problems guess what Israel was never mentioned...
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • jeffbr said:

    jeffbr said:

    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    It's absolutely possible, although not easy. It's a fact that we're already at the point where people get along more than they don't. Because of this, international peace is possible and I believe will happen someday. Because of human ability to grow and change, referencing the past is not proof of out future.
    When will this happen? I obviously completely disagree with your premise, and we will never be able to definitively resolve this. So I guess I'll just say that I hope you're right, but I don't believe it for one second.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    As long as we the USA keeps supporting Israel we can never get out of their conflicts , last nights debate Trump named every nation we should leave to their own problems guess what Israel was never mentioned...
    Agreed about Israel ... as for Trump he's irrelevant to me, he's not going to be POTUS.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    jeffbr said:

    mickeyrat said:

    as long as at least 2 human beings walk the earth there will never be world peace.

    Agreed. The notion of global peace is utopian. Sounds good. Something we can strive for in an effort to make things better. But realistically will never, ever happen. It has never existed, and never will. Utopia is not an option.
    It's absolutely possible, although not easy. It's a fact that we're already at the point where people get along more than they don't. Because of this, international peace is possible and I believe will happen someday. Because of human ability to grow and change, referencing the past is not proof of out future.
    It's evolution, baby
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    You could say evil is an illusion. Leaders labelled as "evil" were created as a result of the internal and external dynamics with the particular country. It's a manifestation of our darkest side combined with immense power.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    You could say evil is an illusion. Leaders labelled as "evil" were created as a result of the internal and external dynamics with the particular country. It's a manifestation of our darkest side combined with immense power.
    Excellent point, GB. Even Hitler would have faded into obscurity if the people had said, "no way". And lest we think ourselves better a look at our history shows all societies are subject to inflicting mass cruelty. We need a world wide movement away from this using education as the catalyst.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500
    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    I realize it wasn't a state at the time but Japan did take over three islands in the Aleutian chain during world war 2. Does an attack on Hawaii count for anything?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited October 2016
    mcgruff10 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    I realize it wasn't a state at the time but Japan did take over three islands in the Aleutian chain during world war 2. Does an attack on Hawaii count for anything?
    I don't know, i was referring more to the Canada and in your case the continental us, but I guess that depends if you believe it was a surprise attack?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    Japan dropped fire bombs a couple times on the Oregon coast. Only ine started a fire that they put out quickly. The town had the Japanese pilot visit several times since, and he gave the town, Brookings, his samurai sword. He also planted a tree at the site if the bombing as a gesture of peace. His daughter buried some of his ashes there, too.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500
    edited October 2016

    Japan dropped fire bombs a couple times on the Oregon coast. Only ine started a fire that they put out quickly. The town had the Japanese pilot visit several times since, and he gave the town, Brookings, his samurai sword. He also planted a tree at the site if the bombing as a gesture of peace. His daughter buried some of his ashes there, too.

    and balloons!
    1945:: A Japanese balloon bomb kills six people in rural eastern Oregon. They are the only World War II U.S. combat casualties in the 48 states.
    Made of rubberized silk or paper, each balloon was about 33 feet in diameter. Barometer-operated valves released hydrogen if the balloon gained too much altitude or dropped sandbags if it flew too low.

    In all, the Japanese released an estimated 9,000 fire balloons. At least 342 reached the United States. Some drifted as far as Nebraska. Some were shot down.

    Some caused minor damage when they landed, but no injuries. One hit a power line and temporarily blacked out the nuclear-weapons plant at Hanford, Washington.

    But the only known casualties from the 9,000 balllons — and the only combat deaths from any cause on the U.S. mainland — were the five kids and their Sunday school teacher going to a picnic.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500
    lukin2006 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    I realize it wasn't a state at the time but Japan did take over three islands in the Aleutian chain during world war 2. Does an attack on Hawaii count for anything?
    I don't know, i was referring more to the Canada and in your case the continental us, but I guess that depends if you believe it was a surprise attack?
    yes it definitely was a surprise attack. fdr knew an attack was coming but couldn't believe that the japanese had the means to travel thousands of miles, refuel and then attack hawaii. let the conspiracy theories commence.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    yeah fdr was a politician and a us president, sorry if I don't believe his account or any one in the military account of events, I'll stay skeptical on what the us knew...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    Russia is positioning itself to enter Estonia. Do we know if they will? No but it is not paranoia and if anything it would be a dereliction of duty not to prepare for it. Estonia is a member of NATO and should an invasion occur we would have to invoke Article 5 and then we would be at war. The question is whether we would or whether it would become a Peace For Our Time moment just like when Czechoslovakia was served over to Hitler on a plate. Putin is betting that the west is made up of more individuals like you.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited October 2016
    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    Russia is positioning itself to enter Estonia. Do we know if they will? No but it is not paranoia and if anything it would be a dereliction of duty not to prepare for it. Estonia is a member of NATO and should an invasion occur we would have to invoke Article 5 and then we would be at war. The question is whether we would or whether it would become a Peace For Our Time moment just like when Czechoslovakia was served over to Hitler on a plate. Putin is betting that the west is made up of more individuals like you.
    Individuals lik me? Article 5 has been invoked once in natos history, after 911. Estonia, lol, joined in 1999 when the west was expanding NATO with former Warsaw Pact members, lol...once again not our problem.

    When article 5 is invoked, are you off to join the fight?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    lukin2006 said:

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    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

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    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    Russia is positioning itself to enter Estonia. Do we know if they will? No but it is not paranoia and if anything it would be a dereliction of duty not to prepare for it. Estonia is a member of NATO and should an invasion occur we would have to invoke Article 5 and then we would be at war. The question is whether we would or whether it would become a Peace For Our Time moment just like when Czechoslovakia was served over to Hitler on a plate. Putin is betting that the west is made up of more individuals like you.
    Individuals lik me? Article 5 has been invoked once in natos history, after 911. Estonia, lol, joined in 1999 when the west was expanding NATO with former Warsaw Pact members, lol...once again not our problem.

    When article 5 is invoked, are you off to join the fight?
    Yes...individuals like you who would say "Estonia lol". Putin is relying on NATO saying "not our problem" and "lol". My guess is he'll be successful but at least you will still have your peace.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    Russia is positioning itself to enter Estonia. Do we know if they will? No but it is not paranoia and if anything it would be a dereliction of duty not to prepare for it. Estonia is a member of NATO and should an invasion occur we would have to invoke Article 5 and then we would be at war. The question is whether we would or whether it would become a Peace For Our Time moment just like when Czechoslovakia was served over to Hitler on a plate. Putin is betting that the west is made up of more individuals like you.
    Individuals lik me? Article 5 has been invoked once in natos history, after 911. Estonia, lol, joined in 1999 when the west was expanding NATO with former Warsaw Pact members, lol...once again not our problem.

    When article 5 is invoked, are you off to join the fight?
    Yes...individuals like you who would say "Estonia lol". Putin is relying on NATO saying "not our problem" and "lol". My guess is he'll be successful but at least you will still have your peace.
    Well you didn't answer my question, are you going? You know, join the good fight? And I'll worry about article 5 when Estonia needso it invoked....but so far only the big bad us have needed it.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?

    lukin2006 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    What I'm curious about is the pro-Peace stance Eddie stands by and still pushes at concerts. Hillary is so far from being pro-peace it's not funny. There's a reason why even she, herself calls herself a hawk.

    I'm gathering that the band is just playing it safe and siding with her because they're in fear of Trump. :confounded:

    Well your current POTUS and Nobel peace winner is compensating for the lack of peace before and after his presidency...I assuming the last 8 years he lead the charge for peace, after all he is the Nobel peace prize winner...
    What do you use to measure global peace?
    Are you serious...
    Totally serious. I like to know how people perceive it. Do they look at number of global conflicts at the moment, number of casualties, number of bombs dropped, occurance of individual actions (e.g. Drone attacks). Do you include terrorist attacks?
    First off who anointed the US as the world police and decider of what good democracy stands for. I'm witnessing your fake pathetic democracy at work everyday...nothing to be proud of or no reason to promote your democracy throughout the world, it's not that great if these candidates are the best you can do out of 330 + million people. Isn't your military budget bigger than the next 22 countries or so combined? Why is that? It's not for defence, the nuclear weapons are your defence against attack. I would think after constant war in the Middle East and with the conclusion of one conflict another hotspot arises in the region and sometimes even worse than before someone would want try another approach, like getting the fuck out and quit using drones and machinery of war on innocent people...and leave the Middle East to their own devices, they'll either figure it out or they won't, their choice.
    Your anger is understandable and your answer to my question about measuring peace is imbedded in there.

    Also, would you say there was a time in the past where there was greater peace?
    Maybe after WW2 for a very short time. Lol. I'm under no illusion, the world is a dangerous place. But if Canada and the US can coexist without conflict with each other for over 200 years then I do think peace is possible...I just think these hotspots throughout the world has to be sorted out regionally without the west involvement. I don't mean to sound cold but I and many other Canadians had family members who served in both world wars so we could enjoy peace, freedom and our way of life peacefully...I no longer want Canadians coming back with PTSD, limbs missing, battle wounds and in body bags because our government actually thinks getting involved in these hotspots make a difference...I would like our military used for defence and peacekeeping only.
    Except the lesson of those wars is that evil when it exists must be confronted otherwise it spreads and eventually reaches one's shore. "Peace in our Time" was and still is an illusion.
    Then if you support war you, politicians and investors and upper management in weapons manufactures should be the first off of the landing craft...when that happens, let's talk, and if those were the rules of war, we'd have fewer wars. And enough with the paranoia about being invaded, holy shit...no one is invading us, no one was invading us during WW2 as well.
    Russia is positioning itself to enter Estonia. Do we know if they will? No but it is not paranoia and if anything it would be a dereliction of duty not to prepare for it. Estonia is a member of NATO and should an invasion occur we would have to invoke Article 5 and then we would be at war. The question is whether we would or whether it would become a Peace For Our Time moment just like when Czechoslovakia was served over to Hitler on a plate. Putin is betting that the west is made up of more individuals like you.
    Individuals lik me? Article 5 has been invoked once in natos history, after 911. Estonia, lol, joined in 1999 when the west was expanding NATO with former Warsaw Pact members, lol...once again not our problem.

    When article 5 is invoked, are you off to join the fight?
    Yes...individuals like you who would say "Estonia lol". Putin is relying on NATO saying "not our problem" and "lol". My guess is he'll be successful but at least you will still have your peace.
    Well you didn't answer my question, are you going? You know, join the good fight? And I'll worry about article 5 when Estonia needso it invoked....but so far only the big bad us have needed it.
    Oh. Is that your real question because it sounds like the classic "chickenhawk" dodge everyone on the AMT uses when questions of difficult foreign policy choices arise. Maybe all us citizens should say nothing and just let generals decide when to use the military, after all only they are qualified to speak on it. Hmmm...my guess is you wouldn't like that. Or let's reinstate the draft and force enlistment instead of sending individuals who have the passion and skills for that type of service....but my guess is you wouldn't like thay either. Anyways...not to dodge your question...in a time of war I will do what my country asks of me just like many Canadians did in previous global conflicts. I won't give you a hard time if you choose otherwise. Article 5 exists for a reason yet your attitude makes it meaningless. I'm sorry but to bring it back to the topic at hand, it will be the strength of that Article and not another live performance of Imagine that will bring peace in our time.
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