Vigilante Justice ?

chadwick

yes johnny switchblade could catch a few bad characters. maybe general tron's secret police confession kit could come in handy.

Godfather.

InHiding80 said:

I thought republicans were ok with vigilantes and the 2nd amendment. Oh, I forgot. It only applies to white repulbican males.

You sure love to have things both ways.

what both ways ?

Godfather.

Kat

Godfather, I think we have to let our justice system work. It has problems but if we don't all support the rule of law, we undermine our own system. I don't think it's a bad system but as with anything, there's room for improvement. I don't think it's a good idea to support vigilante justice.

rgambs

Yeah, seriously.
Even with full due process and a fair trial, people are wrongfully convicted of crimes like rape every single day in America.
If we start allowing Joe SixPack, who has more guns than teeth, to dole out justice as he sees fit we will be in a sad situation, particularly for minorities.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I think of the movie Mystic River whenever this topic comes up.

There are cases where I don't have a problem with it. For example, I was okay with the guy from Texas (?) that killed that guy when he caught him molesting his daughter. He beat him to death with his fists and who could blame him? Seeing that would send any father over the edge... and further... it was a case of self defence (father defending the daughter).

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I think of the movie Mystic River whenever this topic comes up.

There are cases where I don't have a problem with it. For example, I was okay with the guy from Texas (?) that killed that guy when he caught him molesting his daughter. He beat him to death with his fists and who could blame him? Seeing that would send any father over the edge... and further... it was a case of self defence (father defending the daughter).

Sure, crime of passion kind of thing I can understand. But going around hunting down who you think committed crimes? No way Jose. There is just too much room for killing the wrong person and way too much room for accidents. I can't believe anyone would support such an idea as vigilantism. It puts innocent people in real danger.

Godfather.

Kat said:

Godfather, I think we have to let our justice system work. It has problems but if we don't all support the rule of law, we undermine our own system. I don't think it's a bad system but as with anything, there's room for improvement. I don't think it's a good idea to support vigilante justice.

I agree, but unfortunately there are people who are not willing to trust the system anymore.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

Godfather, I think we have to let our justice system work. It has problems but if we don't all support the rule of law, we undermine our own system. I don't think it's a bad system but as with anything, there's room for improvement. I don't think it's a good idea to support vigilante justice.

I agree, but unfortunately there are people who are not willing to trust the system anymore.

Godfather.

so you agree with chadwick putting down a pedophile without due process, and then agree with kat about due process.

DarthMaeglin

In the late 90s there was a serial rapist operating in my neighbourhood. By chance, there was a strong resemblance between myself and the composite sketch that was released to the public, further exacerbated by the fact my shift ended at midnight, leaving me walking home late at night through areas that were being watched by the police. Understandably so, I was stopped and questioned on 3 occasions, however some of the looks I would get from people on the street were uncomfortable to say the least, and I, for one, am glad that vigilante justice is frowned on for the most part, and must be prosecuted when it occurs. Beyond self-defence (or defence of others as mentioned above), there are no mitigating circumstances in our society that justify taking the law into one's own hands.

Lucky for me, when I was surrounded by 5-8 police on one occasion, they didn't find the chunk of hash in my pocket, lol (although it occurred to me they may have caught it, but didn't want to waste their time...my eyes were pretty red in that moment, lol).

PJfanwillneverleave1

DarthMaeglin said:

In the late 90s there was a serial rapist operating in my neighbourhood. By chance, there was a strong resemblance between myself and the composite sketch that was released to the public, further exacerbated by the fact my shift ended at midnight, leaving me walking home late at night through areas that were being watched by the police. Understandably so, I was stopped and questioned on 3 occasions, however some of the looks I would get from people on the street were uncomfortable to say the least, and I, for one, am glad that vigilante justice is frowned on for the most part, and must be prosecuted when it occurs. Beyond self-defence (or defence of others as mentioned above), there are no mitigating circumstances in our society that justify taking the law into one's own hands.

Lucky for me, when I was surrounded by 5-8 police on one occasion, they didn't find the chunk of hash in my pocket, lol (although it occurred to me they may have caught it, but didn't want to waste their time...my eyes were pretty red in that moment, lol).

Great story!

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

Kat said:

Godfather, I think we have to let our justice system work. It has problems but if we don't all support the rule of law, we undermine our own system. I don't think it's a bad system but as with anything, there's room for improvement. I don't think it's a good idea to support vigilante justice.

I agree, but unfortunately there are people who are not willing to trust the system anymore.

Godfather.

so you agree with chadwick putting down a pedophile without due process, and then agree with kat about due process.

as I've stated "but unfortunately there are people who are not willing to trust the system anymore"
and why do you think that is ?....any idea's ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

lukin2006

Godfather. said:

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

Those backroom deals are plea bargains, whether you or anyone likes plea bargains, the criminal justice stytem would likely grind to a halt without plea bargains...

And the problem isn't lawyers or judges, the politiciacians who never modernize and remove old bad laws from the books are the problems...

Godfather.

lukin2006 said:

Godfather. said:

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

Those backroom deals are plea bargains, whether you or anyone likes plea bargains, the criminal justice stytem would likely grind to a halt without plea bargains...

And the problem isn't lawyers or judges, the politiciacians who never modernize and remove old bad laws from the books are the problems...

disagree.

Godfather.

g under p

Godfather. said:

lukin2006 said:

Godfather. said:

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

Those backroom deals are plea bargains, whether you or anyone likes plea bargains, the criminal justice stytem would likely grind to a halt without plea bargains...

And the problem isn't lawyers or judges, the politiciacians who never modernize and remove old bad laws from the books are the problems...

disagree.

Godfather.

Plea bargains in many instances are a necessity. They're needed when in the middle of a case a prosecution feels their case is compromised or weak. They then seek a deal to get a sentence that might not be the max but something that they feel is justified according to the case on hand. At times pleas are made to get a life sentence instead of the death penalty in return for the accused to give others he may have perpetrated a crime against. Missing persons in other cases the prosecution or detectives want to solve so they offer up a deal. In a way it's a process to speed up trials or eliminate the expense of a long trial. I tend to agree plea bargains are needed in our justice system.

As for vigilantism.....to me is a dangerous road to follow by taking up justice in your own hands. Too many times the wrong person is identified for a crime. I mean would you be comfortable bringing justice to the wrong person....that's a chance I would not want to take? I couldn't live that kind of Justice on my hands no matter what a person has done.

Peace

Godfather.

g under p said:

Godfather. said:

lukin2006 said:

Godfather. said:

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

Those backroom deals are plea bargains, whether you or anyone likes plea bargains, the criminal justice stytem would likely grind to a halt without plea bargains...

And the problem isn't lawyers or judges, the politiciacians who never modernize and remove old bad laws from the books are the problems...

disagree.

Godfather.

Plea bargains in many instances are a necessity. They're needed when in the middle of a case a prosecution feels their case is compromised or weak. They then seek a deal to get a sentence that might not be the max but something that they feel is justified according to the case on hand. At times pleas are made to get a life sentence instead of the death penalty in return for the accused to give others he may have perpetrated a crime against. Missing persons in other cases the prosecution or detectives want to solve so they offer up a deal. In a way it's a process to speed up trials or eliminate the expense of a long trial. I tend to agree plea bargains are needed in our justice system.

As for vigilantism.....to me is a dangerous road to follow by taking up justice in your own hands. Too many times the wrong person is identified for a crime. I mean would you be comfortable bringing justice to the wrong person....that's a chance I would not want to take? I couldn't live that kind of Justice on my hands no matter what a person has done.

Peace

again I agree, the problem is laws misused or not used at all, a man is convicted of first degree murder and plea bargains for a life sentence , the reality of it is 25 years, the man who attempted to kill Reagan was released, people who have committed awful crimes are released and some never even go to prison, it's not hard to find hundreds of cases like this and people are tired of losing family members and friends to these people and the laws that get their attackers free from prosecution, how did you feel when Zimmerman walked or O.J ?
both went thru courts of law and walked and what about the killers who get paroled and return to kill again ? (that's an argument for the death penalty) good people are just fed up and tired of a broken system.

Godfather.

g under p

Godfather. said:

g under p said:

Godfather. said:

lukin2006 said:

Godfather. said:

if our legal system was followed more accurately by the federal government and state governments and not abused by lawyers, prosecuting attorney's and Judge's who cut back room deals for criminals we might have a pretty decent system but as it stands the DOJ is making a mockery of the American Legal System.

Godfather.

Those backroom deals are plea bargains, whether you or anyone likes plea bargains, the criminal justice stytem would likely grind to a halt without plea bargains...

And the problem isn't lawyers or judges, the politiciacians who never modernize and remove old bad laws from the books are the problems...

disagree.

Godfather.

Plea bargains in many instances are a necessity. They're needed when in the middle of a case a prosecution feels their case is compromised or weak. They then seek a deal to get a sentence that might not be the max but something that they feel is justified according to the case on hand. At times pleas are made to get a life sentence instead of the death penalty in return for the accused to give others he may have perpetrated a crime against. Missing persons in other cases the prosecution or detectives want to solve so they offer up a deal. In a way it's a process to speed up trials or eliminate the expense of a long trial. I tend to agree plea bargains are needed in our justice system.

As for vigilantism.....to me is a dangerous road to follow by taking up justice in your own hands. Too many times the wrong person is identified for a crime. I mean would you be comfortable bringing justice to the wrong person....that's a chance I would not want to take? I couldn't live that kind of Justice on my hands no matter what a person has done.

Peace

again I agree, the problem is laws misused or not used at all, a man is convicted of first degree murder and plea bargains for a life sentence , the reality of it is 25 years, the man who attempted to kill Reagan was released, people who have committed awful crimes are released and some never even go to prison, it's not hard to find hundreds of cases like this and people are tired of losing family members and friends to these people and the laws that get their attackers free from prosecution, how did you feel when Zimmerman walked or O.J ?
both went thru courts of law and walked and what about the killers who get paroled and return to kill again ? (that's an argument for the death penalty) good people are just fed up and tired of a broken system.

Godfather.

I was here in Florida when that Zimmerman case went to trial and I said from the beginning he is going to be acquitted. Reason being the prosecution went for far too large of a charge. It just wasn't going to stick. A lesser charge of possibly manslaughter would've been more appropriate and more easily prosecuted. At times prosecutors need to make a charge that can attain a guilty verdict but at times outside pressures cause them to make charges they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for OJ I wasn't surprised there either. I can recall as the decision was about to be made, I was teaching pre-school. One of my other teachers all excited came in my class to tell me "they're going to find him guilty". I laughed and told her "don't be surprised he's acquitted of the charges". Later after the decision was made I saw her crying over the decision..... I thought to myself people get too caught up in these cases when they need to look more on what evidence IS PRESENTED and how that evidence is or not defended. Do I think he was guilty....yes but I wasn't on that jury and would I want to be either. He had great lawyers that defended the evidence in the case that was presented.

Peace

Gern Blansten

Yeah it's important to point out that Godfather was a rabid defender of Zimmerman.

Godfather.

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's important to point out that Godfather was a rabid defender of Zimmerman.

your keen sense of reflection is stupendous..............how did you fell I asked...hell yes I knew he would walk and glad he did(even if he is a dumb-ass)

Godfather.

Godfather.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-john-mckeon-montana-no-prison-incest-rape-conviction-under-fire/

case in point.

Godfather.