Have you ever changed your mind about a political topic?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Degeneratefk said:

Yes, after Sandy hook I realized that there is absolutely no reason why anyone needs to own an assault rifle designed to kill a large amount of people in very little time.

Stunning that more people's heads never popped out of the fog after that unfortunate event.

There never could have been a more convincing demonstration demanding change, yet people stubbornly clung to their fancy weapons- I think knowing full well there were no truly legitimate reasons for ownership outside of the joy they got pulling the trigger (or they'd be an absolute meathead).

Stubbornness and selfishness can be strong human traits: we could see another classroom of kindergarten children all shot in the face and assault rifle owners would still assert that guns don't kill people, it's Obama's fault, etc.

They'd do this as the clock begins ticking to signal the next major event with the assault rifle as the star.

Boxes&Books

Free said:

I used to be OK with Democrats and democratic thinking. Until this last six months. They are no different than Republicans and their dirty tricks, maneuvers and corruption.

This my ninja!! It started to happen for me a few years back. Now I'm completely liberated! Feels amazing to be free!

I remember telling myself that I would have a tough choice on who to vote for if the nominee would have been Ron Paul vs Obama.
I Would pay $100 to watch those two ninjas go head to head in a debate/conversation. Where the hell is Don King to make this happen!

unsung

Although that would be a debate I'd love to watch as with the last one a biased moderator can swing things one way or the other.

Degeneratefk

If the moderator can "swing" a debate,the candidate wasn't prepared.

unsung

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

PJ_Soul

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
I am aware that unsung is not voting.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
I am aware that unsung is not voting.

Personally...I don't see the point in discussing Trump, if he wins it'll be a complete accident...

And I don't see him even coming close...

Any polls that show him close will probably will likely be proven wrong and that he really wasn't even close, these polls and pollsters have an agenda as well?

So I think for some of us we might as well focus our attention on the winner...

Free

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

That's IF the moderator can get the candidates to listen to him.

lukin2006

Free said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

That's IF the moderator can get the candidates to listen to him.

Good point...

Free

tonifig8 said:

Free said:

I used to be OK with Democrats and democratic thinking. Until this last six months. They are no different than Republicans and their dirty tricks, maneuvers and corruption.

This my ninja!! It started to happen for me a few years back. Now I'm completely liberated! Feels amazing to be free!

I remember telling myself that I would have a tough choice on who to vote for if the nominee would have been Ron Paul vs Obama.
I Would pay $100 to watch those two ninjas go head to head in a debate/conversation. Where the hell is Don King to make this happen!

I used to be a Kucinich supporter, he was pro peace, pro people. Although he was not a good debator, his ideas were progressive Dem. The last Dem I supported.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
I am aware that unsung is not voting.

Personally...I don't see the point in discussing Trump, if he wins it'll be a complete accident...

And I don't see him even coming close...

Any polls that show him close will probably will likely be proven wrong and that he really wasn't even close, these polls and pollsters have an agenda as well?

So I think for some of us we might as well focus our attention on the winner...

I hope you're right... I really don't know. A lot of the American voters have apparently lost their minds, so I'm not about to put any money on them not doing something crazy.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
I am aware that unsung is not voting.

Personally...I don't see the point in discussing Trump, if he wins it'll be a complete accident...

And I don't see him even coming close...

Any polls that show him close will probably will likely be proven wrong and that he really wasn't even close, these polls and pollsters have an agenda as well?

So I think for some of us we might as well focus our attention on the winner...

I hope you're right... I really don't know. A lot of the American voters have apparently lost their minds, so I'm not about to put any money on them not doing something crazy.

Either way, whoever they ultimately elect will prove their system is broken.

Americans are the real losers here, as the most of the world will be, listening to her foe another fou years, oh boy...

And I'm sure PM sunny ways will invite her to speak before parliament, just like inviting her predecessor...

Degeneratefk

Free said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

That's IF the moderator can get the candidates to listen to him.

A prepared candidate can take as much time as he/she needs and talk about whatever he/she wants to talk about.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.

Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?

He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
I am aware that unsung is not voting.

Personally...I don't see the point in discussing Trump, if he wins it'll be a complete accident...

And I don't see him even coming close...

Any polls that show him close will probably will likely be proven wrong and that he really wasn't even close, these polls and pollsters have an agenda as well?

So I think for some of us we might as well focus our attention on the winner...

I hope you're right... I really don't know. A lot of the American voters have apparently lost their minds, so I'm not about to put any money on them not doing something crazy.

Either way, whoever they ultimately elect will prove their system is broken.

Americans are the real losers here, as the most of the world will be, listening to her foe another fou years, oh boy...

And I'm sure PM sunny ways will invite her to speak before parliament, just like inviting her predecessor...

Why wouldn't the Canadian PM invite the US Prez, no matter what? You expect the Cdn PM to make an enemy of the leader of the free world?

lukin2006

The US president is not the leader of the free world.

And I would have no problem if our PM stood up to the US, absolutely none...

Sorry, countries can and do thrive without the approval of the US president...

And I no longer want war mongers speaking to parliament in my country,

Why isn't Putin invited, the leader of China and on and on...

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

The US president is not the leader of the free world.

And I would have no problem if our PM stood up to the US, absolutely none...

Sorry, countries can and do thrive without the approval of the US president...

And I no longer want war mongers speaking to parliament in my country,

Why isn't Putin invited, the leader of China and on and on...

Whatever way you want to put it. America is Canada's #2 ally after Britain, and it is Canada's #1 trading partner and we share the longest border on the face of the planet. Some countries might thrive without a close relationship with the US, but Canada can't, and I can't believe you are implying that that is a possibility .... Are you seriously asking this question? Why do you think Putin isn't invited?? Because Russia isn't an ally. China? Ummm, Trudeau just went to China on a huge foreign relations tour. This time around it was China who threw the dinners (and I don't approve of that, as someone who thinks everyone should apply economic sanctions on China until they straighten out their human rights and freedom of speech problem).

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

The US president is not the leader of the free world.

And I would have no problem if our PM stood up to the US, absolutely none...

Sorry, countries can and do thrive without the approval of the US president...

And I no longer want war mongers speaking to parliament in my country,

Why isn't Putin invited, the leader of China and on and on...

Whatever way you want to put it. America is Canada's #2 ally after Britain, and it is Canada's #1 trading partner and we share the longest border on the face of the planet. Some countries might thrive without a close relationship with the US, but Canada can't, and I can't believe you are implying that that is a possibility .... Are you seriously asking this question? Why do you think Putin isn't invited?? Because Russia isn't an ally. China? Ummm, Trudeau just went to China on a huge foreign relations tour. This time around it was China who threw the dinners (and I don't approve of that, as someone who thinks everyone should apply economic sanctions on China until they straighten out their human rights and freedom of speech problem).

Who said you can't be allies and friends and still disapprove of their said actions?

As for Russia and China, I said it...So?

Then are you willing to apply those same sanctions that you want applied to China to all countries that behave inappropriately in your views?

Saudi Arabia? We sell weapons to them?

The Middle East in general? And many more countries?

How can you take the US serious?

No political prisoners in the US? How many drug users are in prison in the US? Have been arrested and convicted who are just users?

IF, and that's a big IF, when marijuana is legalized in Canada (a drug made illegal because of politics and money) let me know how quickly you cross into the states? If you don't think the US is trying to sway our PM's decision. If the liberals do follow through and legalize it then they'll gain some support from me, until then I now believe the US negative influence and some out dated treaties will prevent the legalization of the fine herb.

But I'm not stopping you or anyone from admiring the USA...the land of the free.

PJ_Soul

I don't know who said that, but it wasn't me.

What you're ignoring is the Canada/US relationship that DOES EXIST. If you're trying to have a conversation about how they shouldn't and what that would look like, start that conversation, but it's not the one I thought I was having. But you basically said that Trudeau would 'commit the sin' of inviting the new POTUS to Canada as though that wasn't reasonable. And that's what I was talking about. Obviously it is very reasonable because the US is indeed one of Canada's closest allies.

And yes, I think Saudi Arabia and many other Middle Eastern countries, Israel included, should be subject to the same kind of economic sanctions because of their atrocious human rights violations, and no, I don't think you can lump the USA in with those countries at all, DESPITE all the many issues the US does have. You have to draw the line somewhere unless you want to live in a nation that adheres to complete isolationism, and I don't. Do you?? Are you suggesting Canada would be well off if it applied economic sanctions against a country with which is shares a trade agreement and a border and who we have as the greatest military power on Earth as an ally? Remember, we're talking about the real world here, not your fantasies.

And really? Have you ever read a single one of my posts ever? Apparently not, if you think what I'm saying amounts to "admiring the USA... the land of the free" in the context that you snidely put it.

As for the US/Canada pot legalization thing... that depends, but the US is currently ahead of Canada in that realm, so why are you seemingly paranoid about that?