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Have you ever changed your mind about a political topic?

mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500
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Just wondering if you ever changed your mind about a political topic. It happened to me at the gym the other day. I was on the elliptical machine watching CNN with my headphones on. Then it happens, the footage about a Syrian solider (army maybe?) holding a baby and crying after yet another attack. I finally realized that we (the u.s.) have to help these people out somehow. I can't imagine living over there with my family with no way out because maybe, just maybe there might be a few bad apples amongst us. Now I'm not saying I'd bring millions of them to the u.s.a. but the United Nations, NATO or someone has to do a better job of helping these people out.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I was anti death penalty for the longest time and now I'm pro.

    I go back and forth on trade.

    For years I understood the logic behind our support of Israel but their government's conduct became something I couldn't support.

    A few votes I've cast in certain elections I wish I had back.

    Sometimes I just don't know what the best answer is and can see merit on all sides.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,500
    JimmyV said:

    I was anti death penalty for the longest time and now I'm pro.

    I go back and forth on trade.

    For years I understood the logic behind our support of Israel but their government's conduct became something I couldn't support.

    A few votes I've cast in certain elections I wish I had back.

    Sometimes I just don't know what the best answer is and can see merit on all sides.

    The death penalty is the one issue I can't decide on.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    Israel. Years ago when Bob Dylan sang about "Neighborhood Bully", using sarcasm to support Israel rather than condemn them as the song might be interpreted. I figured he must be right. I mean, it's Bob, right? Added to that, I had a friend who was a Jewish Israeli Nationalist who had me convinced Israel could do no wrong. I've since changed my mind on that issue. That doesn't mean I hate Israelis, but it does mean I am more critical of many of that countries actions with regard to Palestinians.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    It happened to me on global warming. I used to think it was predominantly caused by man but then the science over time changed my mine.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Help them out? We are the cause of their pain and misery.
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 471
    JimmyV said:

    I was anti death penalty for the longest time and now I'm pro.

    I'm the opposite, used to be pro, now I am against it. Seems like a weekly basis I read about someone who has been in prison for decades getting out due to DNA evidence exonerating them. Scary to think how many innocent people were put to death. Also, I've read it actually costs more money to put someone to death than to keep them in prison for life.

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    I used to be OK with Democrats and democratic thinking. Until this last six months. They are no different than Republicans and their dirty tricks, maneuvers and corruption.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    It's really the have and have nots. None of us have.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Who is that stubborn to never change their mind? Except some of those in the Clinton thread...hahaha, and maybe the Sanders thread as well, I'll leave Trump thread alone, he doesn't want to be president, just the role of shit disturber.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    unsung said:

    Help them out? We are the cause of their pain and misery.

    Exactly, but the clintons will fix it...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    unsung, I'm curious - what do you consider as "having"?

    lukin, your first line nails it. If no room for new ideas, different paths of thought and action, there's no growth. No willingness to consider another view or even take in, maybe accept, parts of that perspective. Without that we become stagnant.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    unsung said:

    It's really the have and have nots. None of us have.

    How would you describe someone who is a have? What qualifies them?
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    hedonist said:

    unsung, I'm curious - what do you consider as "having"?

    lukin, your first line nails it. If no room for new ideas, different paths of thought and action, there's no growth. No willingness to consider another view or even take in, maybe accept, parts of that perspective. Without that we become stagnant.

    I think you know the answer.

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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    Free said:

    I used to be OK with Democrats and democratic thinking. Until this last six months. They are no different than Republicans and their dirty tricks, maneuvers and corruption.

    Same here. I demexited 3 years ago for the Green Party before it was "cool" because of Obama flip flopping on Monsanto and that whole Edward Snowden controversy. Even wiser decision now with Killary going full Frank Underwood and bashing Bernie and Jill fans as basement dwellers.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited October 2016
    Well at least you aren't a deplorable. Personally from her it sounds like a badge of honor, but what do I know. As a non-participant I wonder what she thinks of me.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung said:

    Well at least you aren't a deplorable. Personally from her it sounds like a badge of honor, but what do I know. As a non-participant I wonder what she thinks of me.

    only a potential vote, after that...the same as anybody else, nothing," what dose it mater anyway"

    Godfather.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    Yes, I've changed my mind about a lot of things over the years.
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  • SmallestOceansSmallestOceans Posts: 13,542
    If Trump becomes president I will rethink the entire system, but that's just not going to happen. Everything is in line for the powers that be.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Yes, after Sandy hook I realized that there is absolutely no reason why anyone needs to own an assault rifle designed to kill a large amount of people in very little time.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Degeneratefk said:

    Yes, after Sandy hook I realized that there is absolutely no reason why anyone needs to own an assault rifle designed to kill a large amount of people in very little time.

    Same here, the Orlando spree cemented it even more.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Degeneratefk said:

    Yes, after Sandy hook I realized that there is absolutely no reason why anyone needs to own an assault rifle designed to kill a large amount of people in very little time.

    Stunning that more people's heads never popped out of the fog after that unfortunate event.

    There never could have been a more convincing demonstration demanding change, yet people stubbornly clung to their fancy weapons- I think knowing full well there were no truly legitimate reasons for ownership outside of the joy they got pulling the trigger (or they'd be an absolute meathead).

    Stubbornness and selfishness can be strong human traits: we could see another classroom of kindergarten children all shot in the face and assault rifle owners would still assert that guns don't kill people, it's Obama's fault, etc.

    They'd do this as the clock begins ticking to signal the next major event with the assault rifle as the star.
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  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books Posts: 2,672
    Free said:

    I used to be OK with Democrats and democratic thinking. Until this last six months. They are no different than Republicans and their dirty tricks, maneuvers and corruption.

    This my ninja!! It started to happen for me a few years back. Now I'm completely liberated! Feels amazing to be free! :)

    I remember telling myself that I would have a tough choice on who to vote for if the nominee would have been Ron Paul vs Obama.
    I Would pay $100 to watch those two ninjas go head to head in a debate/conversation. Where the hell is Don King to make this happen!
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Although that would be a debate I'd love to watch as with the last one a biased moderator can swing things one way or the other.
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    If the moderator can "swing" a debate,the candidate wasn't prepared.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    unsung said:

    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

    Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

    Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.
    Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

    Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.
    Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?
    He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
    I am aware that unsung is not voting.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited October 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

    Well that certainly wasn't a factor for Trump in the first debate.
    Why do people keep bring Trump into any conversation with unsung, has he ever thrown his support behind Trump? Just curious, or should he also be spending as much time criticizing Trump?
    He mentioned the last moderator... was that not reference to the first presidential debate? And since Hillary won that by a landslide, the next logical assumption would have to be that Trump was the one who was supposedly victim to a biased moderator.
    I am aware that unsung is not voting.
    Personally...I don't see the point in discussing Trump, if he wins it'll be a complete accident...

    And I don't see him even coming close...

    Any polls that show him close will probably will likely be proven wrong and that he really wasn't even close, these polls and pollsters have an agenda as well?

    So I think for some of us we might as well focus our attention on the winner...
    Post edited by lukin2006 on
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    unsung said:

    You've probably not watched a lot of debates.

    It's as simple as giving one person speaking time and the others little to none.

    That's IF the moderator can get the candidates to listen to him.
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