I saw Bill's monologue about his absolutely delightful dinner with Trump on YouTube.... I think they way people, now including Bill, characterize Trump as anything other than a disgusting, megalomaniacal tyrant just because he was pleasant in a social setting is revolting, and I have zero respect for anyone who does so. Normalizing Trump is straight up dangerous, especially on a huge stage.
I'm not exactly sure what Bill Maher's point was. He discovered that Trump can act sane when the ramifications are nil, but otherwise - can't or won't. How should this be comforting to anyone?
Totally. The whole spiel really irritated me.
Bill said he was just going to give his interpretation and that we should interpret it however we felt.
His main point was that he didn't see any of the psychotic dear leader that we see daily. In private he was relatively normal, he took criticism from him without lashing out, he didn't go on and on about Biden's age, his greatness, etc. He had no idea that he had reversed some Obama era directives that he was complaining about in the meeting.
I watched it the other day as well. I mean, it was what we already knew about him. The campaign/politician Trump is an exaggerated caricature playing to the base of sycophants with divisive rhetoric and the private Trump is a schmoozer looking for attention. If nothing else, it just confirms what a piece of shit he is who will do whatever it takes to make money and stomp on those who get in his way. Bill was a useful idiot for a night, congrats I guess?
I just don't see it that way. Bill is doing the same thing that Newsom did by meeting with the "enemy"
I agree that it confirms that trump is a complete piece of shit. To me that was the point.
I really don't care if he had dinner with him or other people meet with him because they need to for business relations. I just don't see what the point of this event was. Some of the other meetings I get, but this one, not really besides to be able to get some ratings for it, which I guess is business related for Bill.
For wanting ratings he didn't hype it...not that I saw at least. Really didn't even spend that much time on it.
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Never understood the appeal of this guy. Even when he had Politically Incorrect, it just reeked post Regan-era wry baby boomer cynicism. Basically a living Dunesbury character. Not my type of humor I guess.
Newsom is in the same profession. Maher is not. This is normalizing, even humanizing him. To those of us who can see past the bullshit, it makes it worse. But to many, it will soften their view of him.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
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Newsom is in the same profession. Maher is not. This is normalizing, even humanizing him. To those of us who can see past the bullshit, it makes it worse. But to many, it will soften their view of him.
Newsom is an enigma. There are certain things about him I like and respect. Other things, not at all. He's like an actor that plays very different roles. Definitely a career politician.
The tell is that Bill felt “more comfortable” and found COOTWH to be easier to be around than both Hillary and Obama. Bill is out of his league with people who are smarter and have higher intellects than his. Of course he’s “more comfortable” around that idiot COOTWH. I view the dinner as a lame attempt to stay relevant.
On a scale from 1 -10 of relevance or importance, it rates about a .5.
I do find it odd that he felt more comfortable with trump than hillary, and more so obama, but intelligence? I don't think so. Bill seems like a pretty intelligent guy. I know he has writers for his monologue, but he's able to hold his own with intelligent discourse during the rest of his show.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Its because he had no right to be in the company of Obama or even Hillary. They are accomplished individuals, wonky, and intelligent. Trump is a doof who entertains other doofs.
None of this relates to my thread of nine years ago or what I think today. Come on people, there should be a new thread.
Mods generally speaking tend to like using older threads instead of cluttering with new ones. There was no attempt on my part to correlate his free speech with your opinion here.
The tell is that Bill felt “more comfortable” and found COOTWH to be easier to be around than both Hillary and Obama. Bill is out of his league with people who are smarter and have higher intellects than his. Of course he’s “more comfortable” around that idiot COOTWH. I view the dinner as a lame attempt to stay relevant.
On a scale from 1 -10 of relevance or importance, it rates about a .5.
The right runs to bullying and the left runs to condescension. Not sure which is worse.
I saw Bill's monologue about his absolutely delightful dinner with Trump on YouTube.... I think they way people, now including Bill, characterize Trump as anything other than a disgusting, megalomaniacal tyrant just because he was pleasant in a social setting is revolting, and I have zero respect for anyone who does so. Normalizing Trump is straight up dangerous, especially on a huge stage.
I'm not exactly sure what Bill Maher's point was. He discovered that Trump can act sane when the ramifications are nil, but otherwise - can't or won't. How should this be comforting to anyone?
Totally. The whole spiel really irritated me.
Bill said he was just going to give his interpretation and that we should interpret it however we felt.
His main point was that he didn't see any of the psychotic dear leader that we see daily. In private he was relatively normal, he took criticism from him without lashing out, he didn't go on and on about Biden's age, his greatness, etc. He had no idea that he had reversed some Obama era directives that he was complaining about in the meeting.
I watched it the other day as well. I mean, it was what we already knew about him. The campaign/politician Trump is an exaggerated caricature playing to the base of sycophants with divisive rhetoric and the private Trump is a schmoozer looking for attention. If nothing else, it just confirms what a piece of shit he is who will do whatever it takes to make money and stomp on those who get in his way. Bill was a useful idiot for a night, congrats I guess?
I just don't see it that way. Bill is doing the same thing that Newsom did by meeting with the "enemy"
I agree that it confirms that trump is a complete piece of shit. To me that was the point.
I really don't care if he had dinner with him or other people meet with him because they need to for business relations. I just don't see what the point of this event was. Some of the other meetings I get, but this one, not really besides to be able to get some ratings for it, which I guess is business related for Bill.
Guessing folks on here don’t know the backstory. He had kid rock on a few weeks ago and they seemed to be friends. They talked about how the right and left can not talk to each other anymore. Bill made a lot of the usual attacks on trump, and KR held his own. They both tried to be reasonable to each other, that was their challenge. Something both sides can benefit from, especially because we are stuck with 47 as president for nearly four more years.
as a result of their civil discussion KR offered to try to get Bill an invitation to the White House. His rationale was that trump was a reasonable in person and a lot of his act is theater. I definitely disagree with that but agree both sides need to give to get. Which can not happen if both sides are screaming at each other.
Cray-ZEE to me that people can't even talk to people that aren't members of their party, much less cut family members out of their lives and kids/grandkids lives.
Ya'll do ya'll though. 🤷♂️
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None of this relates to my thread of nine years ago or what I think today. Come on people, there should be a new thread.
Mods generally speaking tend to like using older threads instead of cluttering with new ones. There was no attempt on my part to correlate his free speech with your opinion here.
I've actually experienced the opposite, that they prefer new threads as opposed to resurrecting old ones.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Cray-ZEE to me that people can't even talk to people that aren't members of their party, much less cut family members out of their lives and kids/grandkids lives.
Ya'll do ya'll though. 🤷♂️
it usually completely depends on each situation. Sometimes the magas in their lives have gone totally down the rabbit hole and it's their complete identity and can't talk about anything else. They love to "trigger" others with their "did you hear what Trump said today? I LOVE IT! give it to dem libruls!". People who are insufferable are difficult to be around, no matter the reason.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
we know the backstory. The right and the left have trouble coming together cuz now it's like asking the oppressed why they don't want to be friends with their oppressors. It's getting really tiring listening to the right moaning about how the left is now somehow making life all about politics when we've had to endure their culture wars the last decade. When we have idiots like KR shooting at Bud Light boxes cuz he's anti-trans. And people in trump's admin laughing at tearing families apart while a guy rots in a 3rd world prison.
yeah, let's 'agree to disagree'.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
It's concerning when something awful happens to someone associated with party X and then some people associated with party Y take joy in it.
Then something awful happens to someone associated with party Y and now some people associated with party X feel the need to take joy it as it was done to them.
We hear the "what about X/Y person/topic?", "now do X/Y person/topic..." and "where were you when..?"
Over and over again.
Nothing gets accomplished and we are just fighting amongst ourselves.
I truly believe that the majority of X & Y condemn violence of all kinds, but the vocal minority feel the need to point fingers at others, yet ignore or justify when it is their tribe.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
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2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
And yes, I guess it sucks to see another person normalize Trump. From Maher saying all that to when Biden stated, "Welcome Home" prior to the inauguration after all that was said during the campaigns.
Life is too short to spend it with people you don't enjoy being around, but if it's because they voted one way or another or drive a certain car 😉, I just don't understand being away from family/friends etc
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1996; 9/28 New York
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2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
It's concerning when something awful happens to someone associated with party X and then some people associated with party Y take joy in it.
Then something awful happens to someone associated with party Y and now some people associated with party X feel the need to take joy it as it was done to them.
We hear the "what about X/Y person/topic?", "now do X/Y person/topic..." and "where were you when..?"
Over and over again.
Nothing gets accomplished and we are just fighting amongst ourselves.
I truly believe that the majority of X & Y condemn violence of all kinds, but the vocal minority feel the need to point fingers at others, yet ignore or justify when it is their tribe.
you mean like when paul pelosi had his head smashed in with a hammer and the gop still makes jokes about it?
that kind of taking joy in it?
or when shapiro's house just got burnt down, where they blame the victim because of the policies of his government?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
It's concerning when something awful happens to someone associated with party X and then some people associated with party Y take joy in it.
Then something awful happens to someone associated with party Y and now some people associated with party X feel the need to take joy it as it was done to them.
We hear the "what about X/Y person/topic?", "now do X/Y person/topic..." and "where were you when..?"
Over and over again.
Nothing gets accomplished and we are just fighting amongst ourselves.
I truly believe that the majority of X & Y condemn violence of all kinds, but the vocal minority feel the need to point fingers at others, yet ignore or justify when it is their tribe.
you mean like when paul pelosi had his head smashed in with a hammer and the gop still makes jokes about it?
that kind of taking joy in it?
or when shapiro's house just got burnt down, where they blame the victim because of the policies of his government?
Yes, exactly that.
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
None of this relates to my thread of nine years ago or what I think today. Come on people, there should be a new thread.
Mods generally speaking tend to like using older threads instead of cluttering with new ones. There was no attempt on my part to correlate his free speech with your opinion here.
Hey, not problem! I'll update the thread name.
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P.S. I still like some aspects of the guy. He's a lot like me: part lovable, part despicable.
Screw that my side of the family the Chilean side voted for this garbage I let them know my disappointment in them! I keep it cordial only talk to them about my elderly father’s well being and medical appointments that’s about it, I’m an immigrant I will never vote for anyone who treats good intended folks like me as if we’re disposable 🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽that!
I saw Bill's monologue about his absolutely delightful dinner with Trump on YouTube.... I think they way people, now including Bill, characterize Trump as anything other than a disgusting, megalomaniacal tyrant just because he was pleasant in a social setting is revolting, and I have zero respect for anyone who does so. Normalizing Trump is straight up dangerous, especially on a huge stage.
I'm not exactly sure what Bill Maher's point was. He discovered that Trump can act sane when the ramifications are nil, but otherwise - can't or won't. How should this be comforting to anyone?
Totally. The whole spiel really irritated me.
Bill said he was just going to give his interpretation and that we should interpret it however we felt.
His main point was that he didn't see any of the psychotic dear leader that we see daily. In private he was relatively normal, he took criticism from him without lashing out, he didn't go on and on about Biden's age, his greatness, etc. He had no idea that he had reversed some Obama era directives that he was complaining about in the meeting.
I watched it the other day as well. I mean, it was what we already knew about him. The campaign/politician Trump is an exaggerated caricature playing to the base of sycophants with divisive rhetoric and the private Trump is a schmoozer looking for attention. If nothing else, it just confirms what a piece of shit he is who will do whatever it takes to make money and stomp on those who get in his way. Bill was a useful idiot for a night, congrats I guess?
I agree that it confirms that trump is a complete piece of shit. To me that was the point.
If that was the point he should have made that more clear. He didn't.
I think tbergs useful idiot comment is closer to the truth.
The tell is that Bill felt “more comfortable” and found COOTWH to be easier to be around than both Hillary and Obama. Bill is out of his league with people who are smarter and have higher intellects than his. Of course he’s “more comfortable” around that idiot COOTWH. I view the dinner as a lame attempt to stay relevant.
On a scale from 1 -10 of relevance or importance, it rates about a .5.
The right runs to bullying and the left runs to condescension. Not sure which is worse.
I saw Bill's monologue about his absolutely delightful dinner with Trump on YouTube.... I think they way people, now including Bill, characterize Trump as anything other than a disgusting, megalomaniacal tyrant just because he was pleasant in a social setting is revolting, and I have zero respect for anyone who does so. Normalizing Trump is straight up dangerous, especially on a huge stage.
I'm not exactly sure what Bill Maher's point was. He discovered that Trump can act sane when the ramifications are nil, but otherwise - can't or won't. How should this be comforting to anyone?
Totally. The whole spiel really irritated me.
Bill said he was just going to give his interpretation and that we should interpret it however we felt.
His main point was that he didn't see any of the psychotic dear leader that we see daily. In private he was relatively normal, he took criticism from him without lashing out, he didn't go on and on about Biden's age, his greatness, etc. He had no idea that he had reversed some Obama era directives that he was complaining about in the meeting.
I watched it the other day as well. I mean, it was what we already knew about him. The campaign/politician Trump is an exaggerated caricature playing to the base of sycophants with divisive rhetoric and the private Trump is a schmoozer looking for attention. If nothing else, it just confirms what a piece of shit he is who will do whatever it takes to make money and stomp on those who get in his way. Bill was a useful idiot for a night, congrats I guess?
I just don't see it that way. Bill is doing the same thing that Newsom did by meeting with the "enemy"
I agree that it confirms that trump is a complete piece of shit. To me that was the point.
I didn't get that at all from the segment... my takeaway after watching it was just how normal and down to earth trump is behind the scenes.
That’s easy to say for those that live in foreign countries. I’ve had friends family coworkers join the cult. It’s part of everyday life. It’s everywhere. Until you live it 247, you have no idea.
And don’t dismiss for a second woke politics and choosing favorites based on bias did not influence the Harris loss.
and just because the administration is wrong about the El Salvador deportations, does not make them wrong regarding the bias perceived at the college protests.
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Newsom is an enigma. There are certain things about him I like and respect. Other things, not at all. He's like an actor that plays very different roles. Definitely a career politician.
On a scale from 1 -10 of relevance or importance, it rates about a .5.
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as a result of their civil discussion KR offered to try to get Bill an invitation to the White House. His rationale was that trump was a reasonable in person and a lot of his act is theater. I definitely disagree with that but agree both sides need to give to get. Which can not happen if both sides are screaming at each other.
Ya'll do ya'll though. 🤷♂️
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
yeah, let's 'agree to disagree'.
Then something awful happens to someone associated with party Y and now some people associated with party X feel the need to take joy it as it was done to them.
We hear the "what about X/Y person/topic?", "now do X/Y person/topic..." and "where were you when..?"
Over and over again.
Nothing gets accomplished and we are just fighting amongst ourselves.
I truly believe that the majority of X & Y condemn violence of all kinds, but the vocal minority feel the need to point fingers at others, yet ignore or justify when it is their tribe.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Life is too short to spend it with people you don't enjoy being around, but if it's because they voted one way or another or drive a certain car 😉, I just don't understand being away from family/friends etc
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
that kind of taking joy in it?
or when shapiro's house just got burnt down, where they blame the victim because of the policies of his government?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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We can disagree without hating each other.
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Hey, not problem! I'll update the thread name.
I think tbergs useful idiot comment is closer to the truth.
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1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
And don’t dismiss for a second woke politics and choosing favorites based on bias did not influence the Harris loss.
and just because the administration is wrong about the El Salvador deportations, does not make them wrong regarding the bias perceived at the college protests.