A thread about Bill Maher: The Good, The Bad, and The UGLY!

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

Lerxst1992

DarthMaeglin said:

Denigrate the poster instead of providing clear facts (or even allegations). Why?

Does he ever do anything else?

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

PJ_Soul

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Ok, you didn’t literally say it “Trump is Hitler” but how else is someone supposed to read what you wrote?

The way I wrote it? "apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime.... No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically" Comparisons. Alignments. Similarities in certain ways, not in others. I thought it spoke for itself.

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

It's probably more accurate to compare what Trump is doing right now to what Duterte did in the Phillipines, if you want a comparison that didn't end up involving mass genocide. But the question becomes, when does he cross the line to someone more on the level with Hitler for those that don't like that comparison? Does it have to involve genocide? What about mass disappearings of people deemed "illegal" and dehumanized by not identifying them individually? Who can argue against the removal of the faceless bogey men terrorizing citizens when the Admin marches out the grieving mom of someone actually killed by someone who was identified and isn't one of the faceless? How about purity tests at high levels of government to ensure fealty? Those people didn't just do what he wanted so they had to go, right? What about the demands for higher education to remove certain programs/practices or have funding cut and tax-exempt status revoked? Hey, they're just whiny elites, who cares if the government won't give them money, they have enough already. What about the termination of non-partisan oversight agencies and employees at the federal level? They weren't really doing anything for the people anyway besides wasting tax payers money, there are others that can handle that. What about installing sycophants as the heads of the FBI, DOJ, HHS, FCC and DOE so they can dismantle the agencies, throttle opposing views/beliefs and terminate those who don't bend the knee? Wait, isn't that what every president does anyway? Nah, they're deep state obstructing progress.

Do any of those things sound like what Hitler did before he came to be known as the mass genocide monster most equate him to today? I hope to god that in this day and age, mass genocide at that level will never be allowed to occur again due to the global reach of information instantaneously and hopefully the rapid response it would receive against it, but that doesn't mean it can't. It all has to start somewhere, and to me, the seeds are being sown by the daily pushing of norms and practices that this country didn't think we needed to have specific laws or guardrails for. We've never had a president test the boundaries of law like this and be emboldened by both being elected after criminal convictions and given broad immunity by the high court. This is all unprecedented, but hopefully many of you are right, Trump is held in check if it does continue to escalate, but I have not seen anyone yet try at a level who can make that difference and we the people may well be the only true guardrail in the end. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that. 

Yes it's scary what Trump might become, but he has not done a lot of this yet. he received a lot of push backs on the tariffs this week from important executives in the capitalist world and the markets have responded strongly.

This demonstrates There are checks and balances in our system. It might hold. But acting like hysterical children using fake and dishonest imagery and fake and dishonest attacks is no way to save our country

And he has not killed 6 million people. For Larry David to use the Holocaust and for the New York Times to print it,  this is just outrageous and disgusting from the left. It is unnecessary,  he could have easily gone on Bill Mahers show and made his argument there. Without using such a disgusting example.


Lost a lot of respect for that man and It's upsetting cuz I really like his shows

Gern Blansten

One doesn't have to kill 6 million jewish people to be compared to Hitler. There are many other horrible things that can be compared.

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

Here's ChatGPT's take on similarities between Trump and Hitler to-date. I agree with all of what it came up with. Stating the obvious here - this does not mean I think Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are the same. Also worth noting that some of these things are benign similarities. Plenty of politicians leverage populist rhetoric, plenty are charismatic and authoritative, same with rally-based politics and cult of personality. The more worrying similarities are their use of propaganda and disinformation, their attacks on media and freedom of speech, their scapegoating and demonization of groups, their undermining democratic institutions/norms, and their promotion of conspiracy theories. 

Populist Appeal:

-Both leaders leveraged populist rhetoric to attract and mobilize large segments of their populations who felt disenfranchised or marginalized.

-They appealed strongly to nationalism, presenting themselves as champions of the "common people" against perceived elites or external threats.

Charismatic and Authoritative Leadership Style:

-Trump and Hitler both cultivated strong personal brands and used media effectively to promote their image and message.

-They displayed authoritarian tendencies, emphasizing personal loyalty and centralizing power around themselves.

Use of Propaganda and Disinformation:

-Both extensively used propaganda and misinformation to rally supporters and undermine opposition.

-Trump frequently labeled negative press coverage as "fake news," whereas Hitler systematically used state-controlled propaganda to discredit critics and shape public perception.

Scapegoating and Demonization of Groups:

-Hitler infamously targeted Jews and other minorities as scapegoats for Germany’s economic and social problems.

-Trump has similarly been criticized for scapegoating immigrants, particularly Muslims and Mexican migrants, attributing crime, economic insecurity, and cultural threats to them.

Undermining Democratic Institutions:

-Both leaders displayed tendencies toward undermining democratic norms and institutions.

-Trump repeatedly attacked electoral legitimacy, judicial independence, and democratic processes, most notably in his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

-Hitler dismantled the Weimar Republic’s democratic institutions entirely, establishing a totalitarian regime.

Rally-based Politics and Cult of Personality:

-Both utilized large public rallies to energize supporters and strengthen their cults of personality, creating fervent and loyal bases of support.

Attacks on Media and Freedom of Speech:

-Trump regularly accused media outlets of bias and dishonesty, attempting to discredit critical journalism.

-Hitler systematically silenced dissent, controlling all media through censorship and intimidation.

Promotion of Conspiracy Theories:

-Trump frequently promoted unfounded conspiracy theories (such as the “birther” conspiracy regarding Barack Obama, QAnon-associated theories, and election fraud claims).

-Hitler similarly utilized conspiratorial narratives (like the "stab-in-the-back" myth) to justify his policies and consolidate power.

Comparing Hamas supporters at Columbia University to Nazi Germany is a deeply sensitive and complex issue that requires careful consideration. It's crucial to avoid generalizations and understand the nuances of both historical and contemporary situations.

Similarities sometimes invoked in comparisons often revolve around:

 * Dehumanization: Critics argue that some rhetoric used by Hamas supporters can dehumanize Israelis or Jews, echoing the Nazi's dehumanization of Jewish people.

 * Ideology of Elimination: Some interpretations of Hamas's goals, particularly those expressed in their older charter, suggest a desire for the elimination of the State of Israel, which some equate to the Nazi's goal of eliminating Jews.

 * Celebration of Violence: Just as the Nazi regime glorified violence against Jews, some critics point to instances where Hamas supporters appear to celebrate violence against Israelis.

 * Use of Propaganda: Both Nazi Germany and Hamas utilize propaganda to disseminate their ideologies and demonize their perceived enemies.

However, there are fundamental and critical differences:

 * Scope and Scale of Violence: The Nazi regime engaged in systematic, industrialized genocide aiming for the total extermination of European Jews, resulting in the Holocaust. Hamas, while engaging in acts of terror and calling for the destruction of Israel, does not possess the state power or industrial capacity for genocide on that scale.

 * Historical Context: Nazi Germany was a state-sponsored totalitarian regime with a vast military and bureaucratic apparatus dedicated to its aims. Hamas is a militant organization operating within a specific geopolitical conflict.

 * Motivations: While both involve antisemitism, the core motivations and historical contexts differ significantly. Nazism was rooted in racial ideology and expansionist goals, while Hamas's actions are primarily framed within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and resistance to Israeli occupation.

 * Nature of Support: Support for Hamas among some Columbia students, while concerning to many, exists within a university setting in a democratic society, allowing for diverse viewpoints, even those considered extreme. This is vastly different from the state-sponsored and enforced ideology of Nazi Germany, where dissent was met with severe repression.

The dangers of direct comparison:

 * Trivialization of the Holocaust: Equating the actions of Hamas supporters to Nazi Germany can diminish the unique horror and scale of the Holocaust.

 * Obscuring Nuance: Such comparisons often oversimplify the complex Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the various motivations of individuals involved in protests.

 * Inflammatory Rhetoric: Using the specter of Nazism can shut down productive dialogue and lead to increased polarization.

The situation at Columbia University:

Columbia University has faced scrutiny over allegations of antisemitism and support for Hamas-linked ideologies on campus, particularly in the context of protests related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some Jewish students and others have reported feeling unsafe and targeted by antisemitic rhetoric and actions during these protests.

The university has taken steps to address these concerns, including increasing security, clarifying rules, and implementing mandatory training on discrimination and harassment. Federal authorities have also investigated the university's handling of antisemitism complaints and have, at times, withheld funding due to concerns.

It is important to address and condemn antisemitism and any form of hate speech on university campuses while avoiding overly simplistic and historically inaccurate comparisons. Understanding the specific context of events at Columbia and the nuances of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is crucial for fostering constructive dialogue and addressing legitimate concerns about hate speech and discrimination.

DE4173

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PJ_Soul

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

You're using the holocaust to ignore all the years it took for Hitler and the Nazi party to get to that point. It took nearly 20 years to arrive at the holocaust, but for some reason you want to use the disastrous ending to that regime as a reason to pay no attention to how it all began and grew into what it became, and that is all the stuff that is extremely comparable to the Trump admin/MAGA right now. I don't understand why you don't see that.

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Here's ChatGPT's take on similarities between Trump and Hitler to-date. I agree with all of what it came up with. Stating the obvious here - this does not mean I think Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are the same. Also worth noting that some of these things are benign similarities. Plenty of politicians leverage populist rhetoric, plenty are charismatic and authoritative, same with rally-based politics and cult of personality. The more worrying similarities are their use of propaganda and disinformation, their attacks on media and freedom of speech, their scapegoating and demonization of groups, their undermining democratic institutions/norms, and their promotion of conspiracy theories. 

Populist Appeal:

-Both leaders leveraged populist rhetoric to attract and mobilize large segments of their populations who felt disenfranchised or marginalized.

-They appealed strongly to nationalism, presenting themselves as champions of the "common people" against perceived elites or external threats.

Charismatic and Authoritative Leadership Style:

-Trump and Hitler both cultivated strong personal brands and used media effectively to promote their image and message.

-They displayed authoritarian tendencies, emphasizing personal loyalty and centralizing power around themselves.

Use of Propaganda and Disinformation:

-Both extensively used propaganda and misinformation to rally supporters and undermine opposition.

-Trump frequently labeled negative press coverage as "fake news," whereas Hitler systematically used state-controlled propaganda to discredit critics and shape public perception.

Scapegoating and Demonization of Groups:

-Hitler infamously targeted Jews and other minorities as scapegoats for Germany’s economic and social problems.

-Trump has similarly been criticized for scapegoating immigrants, particularly Muslims and Mexican migrants, attributing crime, economic insecurity, and cultural threats to them.

Undermining Democratic Institutions:

-Both leaders displayed tendencies toward undermining democratic norms and institutions.

-Trump repeatedly attacked electoral legitimacy, judicial independence, and democratic processes, most notably in his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

-Hitler dismantled the Weimar Republic’s democratic institutions entirely, establishing a totalitarian regime.

Rally-based Politics and Cult of Personality:

-Both utilized large public rallies to energize supporters and strengthen their cults of personality, creating fervent and loyal bases of support.

Attacks on Media and Freedom of Speech:

-Trump regularly accused media outlets of bias and dishonesty, attempting to discredit critical journalism.

-Hitler systematically silenced dissent, controlling all media through censorship and intimidation.

Promotion of Conspiracy Theories:

-Trump frequently promoted unfounded conspiracy theories (such as the “birther” conspiracy regarding Barack Obama, QAnon-associated theories, and election fraud claims).

-Hitler similarly utilized conspiratorial narratives (like the "stab-in-the-back" myth) to justify his policies and consolidate power.

Comparing Hamas supporters at Columbia University to Nazi Germany is a deeply sensitive and complex issue that requires careful consideration. It's crucial to avoid generalizations and understand the nuances of both historical and contemporary situations.

Similarities sometimes invoked in comparisons often revolve around:

 * Dehumanization: Critics argue that some rhetoric used by Hamas supporters can dehumanize Israelis or Jews, echoing the Nazi's dehumanization of Jewish people.

 * Ideology of Elimination: Some interpretations of Hamas's goals, particularly those expressed in their older charter, suggest a desire for the elimination of the State of Israel, which some equate to the Nazi's goal of eliminating Jews.

 * Celebration of Violence: Just as the Nazi regime glorified violence against Jews, some critics point to instances where Hamas supporters appear to celebrate violence against Israelis.

 * Use of Propaganda: Both Nazi Germany and Hamas utilize propaganda to disseminate their ideologies and demonize their perceived enemies.

However, there are fundamental and critical differences:

 * Scope and Scale of Violence: The Nazi regime engaged in systematic, industrialized genocide aiming for the total extermination of European Jews, resulting in the Holocaust. Hamas, while engaging in acts of terror and calling for the destruction of Israel, does not possess the state power or industrial capacity for genocide on that scale.

 * Historical Context: Nazi Germany was a state-sponsored totalitarian regime with a vast military and bureaucratic apparatus dedicated to its aims. Hamas is a militant organization operating within a specific geopolitical conflict.

 * Motivations: While both involve antisemitism, the core motivations and historical contexts differ significantly. Nazism was rooted in racial ideology and expansionist goals, while Hamas's actions are primarily framed within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and resistance to Israeli occupation.

 * Nature of Support: Support for Hamas among some Columbia students, while concerning to many, exists within a university setting in a democratic society, allowing for diverse viewpoints, even those considered extreme. This is vastly different from the state-sponsored and enforced ideology of Nazi Germany, where dissent was met with severe repression.

The dangers of direct comparison:

 * Trivialization of the Holocaust: Equating the actions of Hamas supporters to Nazi Germany can diminish the unique horror and scale of the Holocaust.

 * Obscuring Nuance: Such comparisons often oversimplify the complex Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the various motivations of individuals involved in protests.

 * Inflammatory Rhetoric: Using the specter of Nazism can shut down productive dialogue and lead to increased polarization.

The situation at Columbia University:

Columbia University has faced scrutiny over allegations of antisemitism and support for Hamas-linked ideologies on campus, particularly in the context of protests related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some Jewish students and others have reported feeling unsafe and targeted by antisemitic rhetoric and actions during these protests.

The university has taken steps to address these concerns, including increasing security, clarifying rules, and implementing mandatory training on discrimination and harassment. Federal authorities have also investigated the university's handling of antisemitism complaints and have, at times, withheld funding due to concerns.

It is important to address and condemn antisemitism and any form of hate speech on university campuses while avoiding overly simplistic and historically inaccurate comparisons. Understanding the specific context of events at Columbia and the nuances of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is crucial for fostering constructive dialogue and addressing legitimate concerns about hate speech and discrimination.

When did I compare Hamas supporters at Columbia to Nazi Germany? Am I missing something?

DarthMaeglin

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Ok, you didn’t literally say it “Trump is Hitler” but how else is someone supposed to read what you wrote?

The way I wrote it? "apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime.... No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically" Comparisons. Alignments. Similarities in certain ways, not in others. I thought it spoke for itself.

Except then you didn’t provide any actual comparisons and when asked to do so gave a variation of “do your homework”.

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Here's ChatGPT's take on similarities between Trump and Hitler to-date. I agree with all of what it came up with. Stating the obvious here - this does not mean I think Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler are the same. Also worth noting that some of these things are benign similarities. Plenty of politicians leverage populist rhetoric, plenty are charismatic and authoritative, same with rally-based politics and cult of personality. The more worrying similarities are their use of propaganda and disinformation, their attacks on media and freedom of speech, their scapegoating and demonization of groups, their undermining democratic institutions/norms, and their promotion of conspiracy theories. 

Populist Appeal:

-Both leaders leveraged populist rhetoric to attract and mobilize large segments of their populations who felt disenfranchised or marginalized.

-They appealed strongly to nationalism, presenting themselves as champions of the "common people" against perceived elites or external threats.

Charismatic and Authoritative Leadership Style:

-Trump and Hitler both cultivated strong personal brands and used media effectively to promote their image and message.

-They displayed authoritarian tendencies, emphasizing personal loyalty and centralizing power around themselves.

Use of Propaganda and Disinformation:

-Both extensively used propaganda and misinformation to rally supporters and undermine opposition.

-Trump frequently labeled negative press coverage as "fake news," whereas Hitler systematically used state-controlled propaganda to discredit critics and shape public perception.

Scapegoating and Demonization of Groups:

-Hitler infamously targeted Jews and other minorities as scapegoats for Germany’s economic and social problems.

-Trump has similarly been criticized for scapegoating immigrants, particularly Muslims and Mexican migrants, attributing crime, economic insecurity, and cultural threats to them.

Undermining Democratic Institutions:

-Both leaders displayed tendencies toward undermining democratic norms and institutions.

-Trump repeatedly attacked electoral legitimacy, judicial independence, and democratic processes, most notably in his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

-Hitler dismantled the Weimar Republic’s democratic institutions entirely, establishing a totalitarian regime.

Rally-based Politics and Cult of Personality:

-Both utilized large public rallies to energize supporters and strengthen their cults of personality, creating fervent and loyal bases of support.

Attacks on Media and Freedom of Speech:

-Trump regularly accused media outlets of bias and dishonesty, attempting to discredit critical journalism.

-Hitler systematically silenced dissent, controlling all media through censorship and intimidation.

Promotion of Conspiracy Theories:

-Trump frequently promoted unfounded conspiracy theories (such as the “birther” conspiracy regarding Barack Obama, QAnon-associated theories, and election fraud claims).

-Hitler similarly utilized conspiratorial narratives (like the "stab-in-the-back" myth) to justify his policies and consolidate power.

Comparing Hamas supporters at Columbia University to Nazi Germany is a deeply sensitive and complex issue that requires careful consideration. It's crucial to avoid generalizations and understand the nuances of both historical and contemporary situations.

Similarities sometimes invoked in comparisons often revolve around:

 * Dehumanization: Critics argue that some rhetoric used by Hamas supporters can dehumanize Israelis or Jews, echoing the Nazi's dehumanization of Jewish people.

 * Ideology of Elimination: Some interpretations of Hamas's goals, particularly those expressed in their older charter, suggest a desire for the elimination of the State of Israel, which some equate to the Nazi's goal of eliminating Jews.

 * Celebration of Violence: Just as the Nazi regime glorified violence against Jews, some critics point to instances where Hamas supporters appear to celebrate violence against Israelis.

 * Use of Propaganda: Both Nazi Germany and Hamas utilize propaganda to disseminate their ideologies and demonize their perceived enemies.

However, there are fundamental and critical differences:

 * Scope and Scale of Violence: The Nazi regime engaged in systematic, industrialized genocide aiming for the total extermination of European Jews, resulting in the Holocaust. Hamas, while engaging in acts of terror and calling for the destruction of Israel, does not possess the state power or industrial capacity for genocide on that scale.

 * Historical Context: Nazi Germany was a state-sponsored totalitarian regime with a vast military and bureaucratic apparatus dedicated to its aims. Hamas is a militant organization operating within a specific geopolitical conflict.

 * Motivations: While both involve antisemitism, the core motivations and historical contexts differ significantly. Nazism was rooted in racial ideology and expansionist goals, while Hamas's actions are primarily framed within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and resistance to Israeli occupation.

 * Nature of Support: Support for Hamas among some Columbia students, while concerning to many, exists within a university setting in a democratic society, allowing for diverse viewpoints, even those considered extreme. This is vastly different from the state-sponsored and enforced ideology of Nazi Germany, where dissent was met with severe repression.

The dangers of direct comparison:

 * Trivialization of the Holocaust: Equating the actions of Hamas supporters to Nazi Germany can diminish the unique horror and scale of the Holocaust.

 * Obscuring Nuance: Such comparisons often oversimplify the complex Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the various motivations of individuals involved in protests.

 * Inflammatory Rhetoric: Using the specter of Nazism can shut down productive dialogue and lead to increased polarization.

The situation at Columbia University:

Columbia University has faced scrutiny over allegations of antisemitism and support for Hamas-linked ideologies on campus, particularly in the context of protests related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some Jewish students and others have reported feeling unsafe and targeted by antisemitic rhetoric and actions during these protests.

The university has taken steps to address these concerns, including increasing security, clarifying rules, and implementing mandatory training on discrimination and harassment. Federal authorities have also investigated the university's handling of antisemitism complaints and have, at times, withheld funding due to concerns.

It is important to address and condemn antisemitism and any form of hate speech on university campuses while avoiding overly simplistic and historically inaccurate comparisons. Understanding the specific context of events at Columbia and the nuances of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is crucial for fostering constructive dialogue and addressing legitimate concerns about hate speech and discrimination.

When did I compare Hamas supporters at Columbia to Nazi Germany? Am I missing something?

Not at all, it's only a comparison contrast. The support of Hamas geopolitical positions is a big talking point on this forum. I felt it would be a good comparison in light of the excellent one that you provided

Lerxst1992

PJ_Soul said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

You're using the holocaust to ignore all the years it took for Hitler and the Nazi party to get to that point. It took nearly 20 years to arrive at the holocaust, but for some reason you want to use the disastrous ending to that regime as a reason to pay no attention to how it all began and grew into what it became, and that is all the stuff that is extremely comparable to the Trump admin/MAGA right now. I don't understand why you don't see that.

Because a lot of the country does not see Trump in this manner. Not yet at least.. All Bill did was have dinner with the guy, and did not deserve a comparison to hitler. And Larry uses the specific phrase "I kill Jews" in his satire. He's not referring to the authoritarian part as much as he is using specific imagery of the most horrible thing Hitler did. In an attempt at humor, which makes it worse.


If this were an election season, Democrats would be getting hammered for this. This makes us look bad to the rest of the country, which is my cause on this forum. But almost nobody here cares about playing politics intelligently

And I'll point to the Tariff story this week. There are checks and balances in our system and hopefully they hold for the next few years. But looking bad is one way to give trump more power

brianlux

*sigh*

dignin

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

Larry got burned, haha.

PJ_Soul

Lerxst1992 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

You're using the holocaust to ignore all the years it took for Hitler and the Nazi party to get to that point. It took nearly 20 years to arrive at the holocaust, but for some reason you want to use the disastrous ending to that regime as a reason to pay no attention to how it all began and grew into what it became, and that is all the stuff that is extremely comparable to the Trump admin/MAGA right now. I don't understand why you don't see that.

Because a lot of the country does not see Trump in this manner. Not yet at least.. All Bill did was have dinner with the guy, and did not deserve a comparison to hitler. And Larry uses the specific phrase "I kill Jews" in his satire. He's not referring to the authoritarian part as much as he is using specific imagery of the most horrible thing Hitler did. In an attempt at humor, which makes it worse.


If this were an election season, Democrats would be getting hammered for this. This makes us look bad to the rest of the country, which is my cause on this forum. But almost nobody here cares about playing politics intelligently

And I'll point to the Tariff story this week. There are checks and balances in our system and hopefully they hold for the next few years. But looking bad is one way to give trump more power

I feel like the way you took the Larry David write-up is off-kilter. Have you ever read "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift? It is one of the most famous examples of satire in the English language, written in the 1700s as a response to what he saw as an extremely flawed response by the ruling class to the plight of the poor in Ireland. He suggested, very seriously, that the Irish poor sell their children for food to the rich. He went on to list suggestions as to how to prepare them for the dinner table, lol. Larry David's little article is meant along those same, satirical, ironic lines, in order to make a real point. You can see that, right?

josevolution

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

It's probably more accurate to compare what Trump is doing right now to what Duterte did in the Phillipines, if you want a comparison that didn't end up involving mass genocide. But the question becomes, when does he cross the line to someone more on the level with Hitler for those that don't like that comparison? Does it have to involve genocide? What about mass disappearings of people deemed "illegal" and dehumanized by not identifying them individually? Who can argue against the removal of the faceless bogey men terrorizing citizens when the Admin marches out the grieving mom of someone actually killed by someone who was identified and isn't one of the faceless? How about purity tests at high levels of government to ensure fealty? Those people didn't just do what he wanted so they had to go, right? What about the demands for higher education to remove certain programs/practices or have funding cut and tax-exempt status revoked? Hey, they're just whiny elites, who cares if the government won't give them money, they have enough already. What about the termination of non-partisan oversight agencies and employees at the federal level? They weren't really doing anything for the people anyway besides wasting tax payers money, there are others that can handle that. What about installing sycophants as the heads of the FBI, DOJ, HHS, FCC and DOE so they can dismantle the agencies, throttle opposing views/beliefs and terminate those who don't bend the knee? Wait, isn't that what every president does anyway? Nah, they're deep state obstructing progress.

Do any of those things sound like what Hitler did before he came to be known as the mass genocide monster most equate him to today? I hope to god that in this day and age, mass genocide at that level will never be allowed to occur again due to the global reach of information instantaneously and hopefully the rapid response it would receive against it, but that doesn't mean it can't. It all has to start somewhere, and to me, the seeds are being sown by the daily pushing of norms and practices that this country didn't think we needed to have specific laws or guardrails for. We've never had a president test the boundaries of law like this and be emboldened by both being elected after criminal convictions and given broad immunity by the high court. This is all unprecedented, but hopefully many of you are right, Trump is held in check if it does continue to escalate, but I have not seen anyone yet try at a level who can make that difference and we the people may well be the only true guardrail in the end. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that. 

Yes it's scary what Trump might become, but he has not done a lot of this yet. he received a lot of push backs on the tariffs this week from important executives in the capitalist world and the markets have responded strongly.

This demonstrates There are checks and balances in our system. It might hold. But acting like hysterical children using fake and dishonest imagery and fake and dishonest attacks is no way to save our country

And he has not killed 6 million people. For Larry David to use the Holocaust and for the New York Times to print it,  this is just outrageous and disgusting from the left. It is unnecessary,  he could have easily gone on Bill Mahers show and made his argument there. Without using such a disgusting example.


Lost a lot of respect for that man and It's upsetting cuz I really like his shows

There’s over 3 years left of this presidency this nation will not look like it does today! They have a plan to stay in power and it’s the long game 

Lerxst1992

PJ_Soul said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh FFS.

There are so many apt comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, and the Trump administration and the Nazi regime. No, not the holocaust obviously. A ton of other things do totally align though, politically and tactically, whether you like it or not. If you really don't believe that, then you simply don't know enough about the history of the Nazi Party in Germany and how it got to where it did. Anyone who denies it is at best ill-informed, and at worst, completely happy to pretend it's not true when they know it is.

Would you kindly make your case with specifics to enlighten those of us who don’t subscribe to your point of view that Trump is Hitler?

And please don’t tell me to “do my homework” as has been done in the past. The onus isn’t on me to prove your point.

Uh...you are in a cult. There is no homework that will convince you of anything other than trump is perfect and he doesn't poop.

Guess what pal. You as well.

Trump did not kill 6 million people. Fact.

And again...you are making things up that no one ever said.

I said you were in a cult. Your reply proves just this. This is what Hitler is known for. David played with fire and got burned. And you were supporting that because you cannot see outside your own ideology

You're using the holocaust to ignore all the years it took for Hitler and the Nazi party to get to that point. It took nearly 20 years to arrive at the holocaust, but for some reason you want to use the disastrous ending to that regime as a reason to pay no attention to how it all began and grew into what it became, and that is all the stuff that is extremely comparable to the Trump admin/MAGA right now. I don't understand why you don't see that.

Because a lot of the country does not see Trump in this manner. Not yet at least.. All Bill did was have dinner with the guy, and did not deserve a comparison to hitler. And Larry uses the specific phrase "I kill Jews" in his satire. He's not referring to the authoritarian part as much as he is using specific imagery of the most horrible thing Hitler did. In an attempt at humor, which makes it worse.


If this were an election season, Democrats would be getting hammered for this. This makes us look bad to the rest of the country, which is my cause on this forum. But almost nobody here cares about playing politics intelligently

And I'll point to the Tariff story this week. There are checks and balances in our system and hopefully they hold for the next few years. But looking bad is one way to give trump more power

I feel like the way you took the Larry David write-up is off-kilter. Have you ever read "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift? It is one of the most famous examples of satire in the English language, written in the 1700s as a response to what he saw as an extremely flawed response by the ruling class to the plight of the poor in Ireland. He suggested, very seriously, that the Irish poor sell their children for food to the rich. He went on to list suggestions as to how to prepare them for the dinner table, lol. Larry David's little article is meant along those same, satirical, ironic lines, in order to make a real point. You can see that, right?

I appreciate your literary knowledge and perspective. But David is making a political attack here. My main concern with politics is that republicans are incredible at campaigning but horrible at governing, and the dems are the exact opposite. And the direction of the party is not where they think the country is going.

Dems have lost two elections to trump and they should have won both. They are horrible at campaigning because “trump evil man” does not work outside the bubble. Harris not controlling that turned out to be a fatal mistake.

The other thing that Dems are great at, and is featured a lot here and in dem circles, making excuses that are not provable. This prevents the party from learning how it can better identify with and communicate to the specific audience that the electoral college and senate elections call for.

the constitution will not change in our lifetimes to suit the idiotic narrative happening within the party. The rules call for reaching a specific audience, and the dems are proving, in a dangerous manner, they don’t have what it takes to be better. From the David joke about Hitler, to AOC and Bernie fans unfurling Palestine flags, they delayed responses in my city, New York, of migrants overrunning the place and Hamas supporters shutting down its most prestigious uni, to the glorification of reverse discrimination, to the constant crying about trump evil man.

the dems may get the house next year, but losing three red senate seats in 2024, and the expected movement in five years of about ten blue congress seats and electoral votes to republican states, and a SCOTUS that will never be liberal for decades, the warning signs are blinking. Winning the house provides minimal power.

but the Dems are too busy in romper room than the important self reflection needed to correct the Hilary Kamala and senate failures. (Dems got lucky imo with the 2020 covid rule changes). The target audience simply doesn’t care about this nonsense 


edit….this is essentially the story behind Maher and others dems mad at the direction of the party, and why Davids interjection is off base.

gimmesometruth27

bill maher sucks. he has sucked for at least 7 years now. 

trump sued him for 5 million dollars and he still had dinner with him and is doing promo work for trump.

maher sounds like a boomer now as he realizes his best days are behind him.