A thread about Bill Maher: The Good, The Bad, and The UGLY!

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't often agree with Bill lately, but he's echoing what I and a few others have said recently. It's not political ideology; it's mental illness. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A2haHSuEY/

Agreed.  Thanks for posting that.

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Only saw the clip where he is talking about having no problems listening to R Kelly in front of Woody Allen.

Does Woody Allen even know who R Kelly is?

OMG this is hysterical.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't often agree with Bill lately, but he's echoing what I and a few others have said recently. It's not political ideology; it's mental illness. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A2haHSuEY/

I think Bill Maher is on point and hes more center now.  I can see how most people on here don't like him now.

Gern Blansten

I still don't think he's changed...he's just calling out some bullshit

Indifference

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

benjs

Indifference said:

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

Guy ostracizes himself from the left-wing cohort of the party, then claims to be intimately aware of the left concerns themselves with. There are two cohorts of people still discussing these issues ad nauseam. Republicans - to draw attention to this issue, and Bill Maher - to smugly assert that that wing of Democrats are talking about the wrong things.

The 'risk of social contagion' comment is disgusting. Literally everything said or done in public carries 'risk of social contagion' (thoughts, ideas, fads, hobbies, etc), yet is never worded like that unless you're 'catching something'. If we're the thought police and are now abolishing things with the risk of social contagion, this ass should've been cancelled years ago.

Tim Simmons

Indifference said:

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

I mean, if you read this place, this clearly not the stance on Trans people this forum has.

gimmesometruth27

i don't know who sucks more, carville or maher.

HughFreakingDillon

Indifference said:

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

it's funny that maher seems to suggest here that democrats, as some sort of monolith, come up with these "nutty ideas" as a group. No. We hear of new information, and we evolve if necessary given the information that we have. 

republicans just disgustingly say "you not like me! kill you!". 

HughFreakingDillon

liberals also tend to worry more about real issues, like people with assault rifles mowing down children. but NOPE! the biggest problem we face is who is using the bathroom stall next to me. 

brianlux

Just my two cents because I don't recall putting it out here before:

Even though I shy away from labels, I'm obviously more liberal than conservative and if I had to chose a term for myself it would be old school progressive, and I believe in doing what makes sense and standing up for what is just and kind.  

That being, I've always thought Bill Maher was a straight shooter.  In his own words, he refers to himself as "practical".  I don't always agree with him or share some of the some perspectives, but I respect him for being forthright and honest about what he believes as opposed to all the bullshit right wingers who propagate and spread lies and false information, and certain liberals (not here) who are hypocritical (for example, liberals who claim to be environmentalists but live in luxury and have a huge ecological footprint- I know some of them.) 

I guess I just don't understand hating him.  But then, I only hate evil people (you know who mean.)  I don't at all see Maher as evil. 

Get_Right

He is just one voice. And spends most New Year's with Ed and Sean Penn. I cannot hate him just for that alone. Listen to what everybody says and make your own conclusions.

Spiritual_Chaos

nvm

HughFreakingDillon

Indifference said:

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

Sums up republi-cucks

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19isSeczeg/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Indifference said:

Sums up this forum https://x.com/redwave_press/status/1971950012213977369?s=46

Sums up republi-cucks

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19isSeczeg/?mibextid=wwXIfr

spot on

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Just my two cents because I don't recall putting it out here before:

Even though I shy away from labels, I'm obviously more liberal than conservative and if I had to chose a term for myself it would be old school progressive, and I believe in doing what makes sense and standing up for what is just and kind.  

That being, I've always thought Bill Maher was a straight shooter.  In his own words, he refers to himself as "practical".  I don't always agree with him or share some of the some perspectives, but I respect him for being forthright and honest about what he believes as opposed to all the bullshit right wingers who propagate and spread lies and false information, and certain liberals (not here) who are hypocritical (for example, liberals who claim to be environmentalists but live in luxury and have a huge ecological footprint- I know some of them.) 

I guess I just don't understand hating him.  But then, I only hate evil people (you know who mean.)  I don't at all see Maher as evil. 

For lack of a better term the “Woke” wing of liberalism is making an aggressive push to control the Democratic Party.


Bill does a good job talking about this in plain English.

and as he says almost every show, the Woke leaders of their movement always ignore invitation and  never come on his show.

the Republicans always show up. And maher gives trump as much heat as any commenter on this forum.

HughFreakingDillon

Move over ageism; Bill has cornered the market on generationism. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/173s3toFE6/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Lerxst1992

Robots busy doing other things is actually quite funny.

Are employers having difficulty filling skilled manual labor jobs ? Nope, the centrists are “proven wrong” yet again. Easier to see some low effort Facebook post mocking him and think the centrists are lying yet again.  Back to the google machine…
…

“Manufacturers are struggling to fill roles primarily because their job offerings and internal culture often fail to align with Gen Z's core career expectations. The struggle centers on three main areas: outdated perceptions, lack of clear growth, and inflexible work models.  

Here are the key reasons manufacturers are struggling to attract and retain Gen Z:

1. Outdated Perceptions and a Poor Brand Image

• "Dirty, Dark, and Dangerous" Stereotype: Many Gen Z job seekers, and the educators and parents who influence them, still associate factory jobs with the industrial era—outdated, physically demanding, and low-tech.  

• Failure to Modernize the Narrative: Modern manufacturing environments are often clean, high-tech, and involve robotics, automation, and digital tools. However, manufacturers have struggled to effectively showcase this reality, making them less visible and appealing than tech or finance industries.  

• "Low-Skilled" Misconception: Gen Z often believes factory work is low-skilled grunt work that will not lead to a financially secure or innovative career.  

2. Lack of Clear and Fast Career Development

• No Clear Career Pathways: Gen Z highly values continuous learning and career progression. Many entry-level manufacturing roles are specialized and feel like "static roles" with repetitive tasks and no clear, visible path to advancement (e.g., from production worker to technician to manager).  

• "Skills Loyalty" vs. "Employer Loyalty": This generation views jobs as stepping stones for skill-building. If they are not learning new, transferable skills quickly enough, they will "job hop" to the next opportunity, leading to high turnover in the industry.  

• Outdated Training: Many factories still rely on traditional, manual-based, or slow onboarding processes that do not engage a generation accustomed to learning via digital platforms and video (like YouTube).  

3. Inflexible Work Models

• The On-Site Requirement: Factory jobs, by their nature, require employees to be on-site. Gen Z, which entered the workforce during a period of remote work expansion, places an extremely high value on flexibility and work-life balance. The necessity of a fixed, on-site schedule is a major deterrent compared to white-collar jobs.  

• Lack of Empathetic Leadership: Gen Z seeks transparent, collaborative, and inclusive work environments with "caring leaders" who understand their needs. Manufacturing's traditional, rigid, and hierarchical management structures can often create friction and lead to disengagement.

4. Financial and Educational Barriers

• Cost of Training: While skilled trades are appealing, a significant portion of Gen Z cites financial barriers to training as a major obstacle to pursuing careers in fields like manufacturing.

• Pay Perception: Although data may show entry-level manufacturing pays competitively, many young people still believe these jobs pay less than the overall entry-level average, making them hesitate to apply.

https://www.supplychain247.com/article/gen-z-avoiding-manufacturing-jobs

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HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

Robots busy doing other things is actually quite funny.

Are employers having difficulty filling skilled manual labor jobs ? Nope, the centrists are “proven wrong” yet again. Easier to see some low effort Facebook post mocking him and think the centrists are lying yet again.  Back to the google machine…
…

“Manufacturers are struggling to fill roles primarily because their job offerings and internal culture often fail to align with Gen Z's core career expectations. The struggle centers on three main areas: outdated perceptions, lack of clear growth, and inflexible work models.  

Here are the key reasons manufacturers are struggling to attract and retain Gen Z:

1. Outdated Perceptions and a Poor Brand Image

• "Dirty, Dark, and Dangerous" Stereotype: Many Gen Z job seekers, and the educators and parents who influence them, still associate factory jobs with the industrial era—outdated, physically demanding, and low-tech.  

• Failure to Modernize the Narrative: Modern manufacturing environments are often clean, high-tech, and involve robotics, automation, and digital tools. However, manufacturers have struggled to effectively showcase this reality, making them less visible and appealing than tech or finance industries.  

• "Low-Skilled" Misconception: Gen Z often believes factory work is low-skilled grunt work that will not lead to a financially secure or innovative career.  

2. Lack of Clear and Fast Career Development

• No Clear Career Pathways: Gen Z highly values continuous learning and career progression. Many entry-level manufacturing roles are specialized and feel like "static roles" with repetitive tasks and no clear, visible path to advancement (e.g., from production worker to technician to manager).  

• "Skills Loyalty" vs. "Employer Loyalty": This generation views jobs as stepping stones for skill-building. If they are not learning new, transferable skills quickly enough, they will "job hop" to the next opportunity, leading to high turnover in the industry.  

• Outdated Training: Many factories still rely on traditional, manual-based, or slow onboarding processes that do not engage a generation accustomed to learning via digital platforms and video (like YouTube).  

3. Inflexible Work Models

• The On-Site Requirement: Factory jobs, by their nature, require employees to be on-site. Gen Z, which entered the workforce during a period of remote work expansion, places an extremely high value on flexibility and work-life balance. The necessity of a fixed, on-site schedule is a major deterrent compared to white-collar jobs.  

• Lack of Empathetic Leadership: Gen Z seeks transparent, collaborative, and inclusive work environments with "caring leaders" who understand their needs. Manufacturing's traditional, rigid, and hierarchical management structures can often create friction and lead to disengagement.

4. Financial and Educational Barriers

• Cost of Training: While skilled trades are appealing, a significant portion of Gen Z cites financial barriers to training as a major obstacle to pursuing careers in fields like manufacturing.

• Pay Perception: Although data may show entry-level manufacturing pays competitively, many young people still believe these jobs pay less than the overall entry-level average, making them hesitate to apply.

https://www.supplychain247.com/article/gen-z-avoiding-manufacturing-jobs

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Bill said none of that. It was all little sound bites about how lazy and unwilling to work Gen Z is. They aren't unwilling to work. They're just pickier. They want a better work life balance than what was previously offered. And good for them. Most companies are adapting to that as a result. It's not just Gen Z. 

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Robots busy doing other things is actually quite funny.

Are employers having difficulty filling skilled manual labor jobs ? Nope, the centrists are “proven wrong” yet again. Easier to see some low effort Facebook post mocking him and think the centrists are lying yet again.  Back to the google machine…
…

“Manufacturers are struggling to fill roles primarily because their job offerings and internal culture often fail to align with Gen Z's core career expectations. The struggle centers on three main areas: outdated perceptions, lack of clear growth, and inflexible work models.  

Here are the key reasons manufacturers are struggling to attract and retain Gen Z:

1. Outdated Perceptions and a Poor Brand Image

• "Dirty, Dark, and Dangerous" Stereotype: Many Gen Z job seekers, and the educators and parents who influence them, still associate factory jobs with the industrial era—outdated, physically demanding, and low-tech.  

• Failure to Modernize the Narrative: Modern manufacturing environments are often clean, high-tech, and involve robotics, automation, and digital tools. However, manufacturers have struggled to effectively showcase this reality, making them less visible and appealing than tech or finance industries.  

• "Low-Skilled" Misconception: Gen Z often believes factory work is low-skilled grunt work that will not lead to a financially secure or innovative career.  

2. Lack of Clear and Fast Career Development

• No Clear Career Pathways: Gen Z highly values continuous learning and career progression. Many entry-level manufacturing roles are specialized and feel like "static roles" with repetitive tasks and no clear, visible path to advancement (e.g., from production worker to technician to manager).  

• "Skills Loyalty" vs. "Employer Loyalty": This generation views jobs as stepping stones for skill-building. If they are not learning new, transferable skills quickly enough, they will "job hop" to the next opportunity, leading to high turnover in the industry.  

• Outdated Training: Many factories still rely on traditional, manual-based, or slow onboarding processes that do not engage a generation accustomed to learning via digital platforms and video (like YouTube).  

3. Inflexible Work Models

• The On-Site Requirement: Factory jobs, by their nature, require employees to be on-site. Gen Z, which entered the workforce during a period of remote work expansion, places an extremely high value on flexibility and work-life balance. The necessity of a fixed, on-site schedule is a major deterrent compared to white-collar jobs.  

• Lack of Empathetic Leadership: Gen Z seeks transparent, collaborative, and inclusive work environments with "caring leaders" who understand their needs. Manufacturing's traditional, rigid, and hierarchical management structures can often create friction and lead to disengagement.

4. Financial and Educational Barriers

• Cost of Training: While skilled trades are appealing, a significant portion of Gen Z cites financial barriers to training as a major obstacle to pursuing careers in fields like manufacturing.

• Pay Perception: Although data may show entry-level manufacturing pays competitively, many young people still believe these jobs pay less than the overall entry-level average, making them hesitate to apply.

https://www.supplychain247.com/article/gen-z-avoiding-manufacturing-jobs

.

Bill said none of that. It was all little sound bites about how lazy and unwilling to work Gen Z is. They aren't unwilling to work. They're just pickier. They want a better work life balance than what was previously offered. And good for them. Most companies are adapting to that as a result. It's not just Gen Z. 

they know what they are worth. they are not going to let a job kill them or suck the life out of them, like so many of us older ones have.