Its going to be current lineup minus Boom and that's how it should be regardless of previous contributions...they will mention the earlier drummers and give them their dues, but if it wasn't for Matt we wouldn't be having this discussion
I don't think that's true. If they broke up after yield they'd still get in
Come to think of it, if I'm remembering correctly, the band can pay for as many band members as they want to attend. But the HOF only "invites" (i.e. doesn't charge) original members, usually measured by who played on the 1st album. It does seem arbitrary, especially if a band member like Matt Cameron has been in the band for so many years. But I've heard about MANY bands complaining of this, so I know it's a weird rule they have about "original lineup". But PJ can afford to invite all their drummers. Won't be surprised if they do, will be more surprised if they don't.
It's not a rule about original lineup (see: nirvana). I think it's just most "significant" lineup. But as far as I know there is no hard and fast rule. It's just whatever guys or gals are deemed by someone to have contributed significantly to the band. If that's the case, I could see it being Dave a, jack, and matt.
And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
What's your source on it being "most significant lineup"? My source on original line-up is hearing/reading about past inductees complaining about the original lineup rule and it actually leaving out the most significant lineup at times. Maybe the complaining I'm thinking of was more about one lineup vs. another, but I could swear there were complaints that the first __________ in the band was NOT the most significant ___________ in the band.
Who knows, I guess we'll find out before the year is over!
Deep Purple was inducted with David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes... From Wiki "The band was officially inducted on April 8, 2016. The Hall of Fame announced that the following members were included as inductees: Ian Paice, Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore, Roger Glover, Ian Gillan, Rod Evans, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes. Excluded from induction were Nick Simper, Tommy Bolin, Joe Lynn Turner, Joe Satriani, Steve Morse and Don Airey"
These are multiple members from multiple line ups... So take that is it may be...
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1996: Randall's Island I, Hartford
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I 2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
Its going to be current lineup minus Boom and that's how it should be regardless of previous contributions...they will mention the earlier drummers and give them their dues, but if it wasn't for Matt we wouldn't be having this discussion
Not true that we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bands get nominated and inducted because of their impact on rock music, and one could definitely argue that the majority of PJ's impact on rock music came with albums either Dave K, Dave A, or Jack Irons drummed on more than any others. I agree fully that Matt deserves to be inducted, but there are plenty of bands where the Rock Hall only inducted the original members or most pivotal members (for the most "influential" albums).
We can all argue or have our opinions about which albums are best, some people arguing for later albums. But we're talking about the RnR HoF, which is a whole other set of rules... even if they aren't consistent with their own rules
Its going to be current lineup minus Boom and that's how it should be regardless of previous contributions...they will mention the earlier drummers and give them their dues, but if it wasn't for Matt we wouldn't be having this discussion
I don't think that's true. If they broke up after yield they'd still get in
That's a much simpler/better way of making the point I just tried to make, should have read your post first
if they had all the drummers Dave/Jack/Matt I would be shocked. If Matt is not invited I think the guys would tell RRHOF to kiss their asses. OR they would just have Matt go play anyhow and tell them to piss off. Matt saved this band, if he is not there it is not Pearl Jam.
if they had all the drummers Dave/Dave/Jack/Matt I would be shocked. If Matt is not invited I think the guys would tell RRHOF to kiss their asses. OR they would just have Matt go play anyhow and tell them to piss off. Matt saved this band, if he is not there it is not Pearl Jam.
if they had all the drummers Dave/Jack/Matt I would be shocked. If Matt is not invited I think the guys would tell RRHOF to kiss their asses. OR they would just have Matt go play anyhow and tell them to piss off. Matt saved this band, if he is not there it is not Pearl Jam.
I actually disagree. And I love Matt. But it was said that Jack saved the band, they were amongst turmoil when Jack joined and gave them all perspective. Matt joined because Jack left, and a tour was already booked. Ed called Matt and said "what are you doing this summer" in 1998. The tour was booked and they needed someone. If Matt said he was not available, they would have found another drummer. A world tour was already on paper, they couldn't have backed out of they tried... To much money on the line... The band would have been sued for losses in numbers they simply couldn't have afforded.
Again, I love Matt, and I think he is instrumental in the great live shows we have now. I also appreciate his songwriting contributions. But the band would have hired another drummer, had Matt said no.
if they had all the drummers Dave/Jack/Matt I would be shocked. If Matt is not invited I think the guys would tell RRHOF to kiss their asses. OR they would just have Matt go play anyhow and tell them to piss off. Matt saved this band, if he is not there it is not Pearl Jam.
I actually disagree. And I love Matt. But it was said that Jack saved the band, they were amongst turmoil when Jack joined and gave them all perspective. Matt joined because Jack left, and a tour was already booked. Ed called Matt and said "what are you doing this summer" in 1998. The tour was booked and they needed someone. If Matt said he was not available, they would have found another drummer. A world tour was already on paper, they couldn't have backed out of they tried... To much money on the line... The band would have been sued for losses in numbers they simply couldn't have afforded.
Again, I love Matt, and I think he is instrumental in the great live shows we have now. I also appreciate his songwriting contributions. But the band would have hired another drummer, had Matt said no.
Sooooo true about Jack really being the one that stepped in at a true breaking point. I don't remember what the books and PJ20 and all said was going on in about '96, but it was a HEAVY time for at least Ed, and most likely therefore the whole band. I don't know if I ever knew what was going on, but it was tangible, the heaviness. And I remember them saying in interviews then that it was Jack that held them together then. It seemed a bit of a rollercoaster up and down until I saw them in '06, but I missed a LOT of shows between '03-'06 so maybe it got better earlier than I think...
All I do know is that the posters are gonna be a bitch for this one. Hope they set up the merch trailer early like Fenway
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Its going to be current lineup minus Boom and that's how it should be regardless of previous contributions...they will mention the earlier drummers and give them their dues, but if it wasn't for Matt we wouldn't be having this discussion
I don't think that's true. If they broke up after yield they'd still get in
So true. Have the decision-makers at RRHOF really been following the band's personnel changes as closely as we are? Probably not.
Abbruzzese has warrants for his arrest in Texas, does PJ want that stigma on stage with them? The band has a major say so in who goes in with them, Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead was inducted at the bands insistence and he never played an instrument with them ....
1991: Chicago 2014: Memphis, Moline, Milwaukee 2015: Vedder/Townshend celebrating the Who Rosemont Theatre 2016: Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Lexington, Wrigley 8/20 Wrigley 8/22
An official "induct Boom" movement needs to start. He deserves it. The primary reason this band is so big and relevant right now is because they are the best touring band on the planet. Boom is a big part of that
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These are multiple members from multiple line ups... So take that is it may be...
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I
2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
We can all argue or have our opinions about which albums are best, some people arguing for later albums. But we're talking about the RnR HoF, which is a whole other set of rules... even if they aren't consistent with their own rules
Sad, but probably true.
'13: 10/27 Baltimore
'15: 9/26 New York City
'16: 4/16 Greenville (VS!), 4/26 Lexington, 4/28 Philly, 8/20 Wrigley
'18: 9/02 Fenway
'22: 9/16 Nashville
’24: 8/26 Noblesville, 9/12 Baltimore
Again, I love Matt, and I think he is instrumental in the great live shows we have now. I also appreciate his songwriting contributions. But the band would have hired another drummer, had Matt said no.
The band has a major say so in who goes in with them, Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead was inducted at the bands insistence and he never played an instrument with them ....
2014: Memphis, Moline, Milwaukee
2015: Vedder/Townshend celebrating the Who Rosemont Theatre
2016: Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Lexington, Wrigley 8/20 Wrigley 8/22