Come to think of it, if I'm remembering correctly, the band can pay for as many band members as they want to attend. But the HOF only "invites" (i.e. doesn't charge) original members, usually measured by who played on the 1st album. It does seem arbitrary, especially if a band member like Matt Cameron has been in the band for so many years. But I've heard about MANY bands complaining of this, so I know it's a weird rule they have about "original lineup". But PJ can afford to invite all their drummers. Won't be surprised if they do, will be more surprised if they don't.
It's not a rule about original lineup (see: nirvana). I think it's just most "significant" lineup. But as far as I know there is no hard and fast rule. It's just whatever guys or gals are deemed by someone to have contributed significantly to the band. If that's the case, I could see it being Dave a, jack, and matt.
And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
Stone, Jeff, Mike, Eddie, Matt, Dave A, Jack, Dave K, Boom. I don't see why all of these guys shouldn't be Inducted. Each contributed a great deal to the success of the band I one way or another.
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Gut says no Dave K and no Jack I. I think Jack should be there, personally (obv band wouldn't exist without him), but he didn't last long as the actual drummer. Matt essentially held the band together and Dave A played a large part in the sound so many of us fell in love with. I can't hear even flow without doing those high hat fills.
I would say Boom over Dave K. Did he even tour, technically he was a session drummer on an amazing album
Dave K was the original drummer (unless you count the demos which Matt Cameron played on) and if not for personal issues would probably still be the drummer.
I know who Dave K is!!! Not the point. I also know he wasn't a session drummer. My point was he did the album and played a handful of live shows. No way he's getting in anyway. The Hall will pick either Dave A or Matt, possibly both, no others.
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I still don't understand why Bruce Springsteen was inducted like 15 years before the E Street Band. I know he did some solo stuff but really?? They didn't let Tom Petty in without the Heartbreakers.
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Boom has a better chance of getting inducted with the band than any Pearl Jam drummer not named Matt Cameron. (Which is probably close to nil for all parties concerned)
Chad Canning got a shout out & big ups for his contributions to the band from Dave Grohl in his RRHOF acceptance speech, but that was the extent of their acknowledgement. He was not on stage, I don't think he was mentioned otherwise, and he definitely wasn't inducted.
Come to think of it, if I'm remembering correctly, the band can pay for as many band members as they want to attend. But the HOF only "invites" (i.e. doesn't charge) original members, usually measured by who played on the 1st album. It does seem arbitrary, especially if a band member like Matt Cameron has been in the band for so many years. But I've heard about MANY bands complaining of this, so I know it's a weird rule they have about "original lineup". But PJ can afford to invite all their drummers. Won't be surprised if they do, will be more surprised if they don't.
It's not a rule about original lineup (see: nirvana). I think it's just most "significant" lineup. But as far as I know there is no hard and fast rule. It's just whatever guys or gals are deemed by someone to have contributed significantly to the band. If that's the case, I could see it being Dave a, jack, and matt.
And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
What's your source on it being "most significant lineup"? My source on original line-up is hearing/reading about past inductees complaining about the original lineup rule and it actually leaving out the most significant lineup at times. Maybe the complaining I'm thinking of was more about one lineup vs. another, but I could swear there were complaints that the first __________ in the band was NOT the most significant ___________ in the band.
Who knows, I guess we'll find out before the year is over!
Matt Cameron's been with them for 18 years now, which is almost 75% of the band's career. It will be him & the 4 main guys, sorry Boom.
The other drummers will get a shout out from someone in the band during the acceptance speech, but that will be the extent of it IMO.
Agreed. The HOF isn't going to induct all the drummers just because they played on X record. Look at KISS and all the members who have been in the band for a significant amount of time and still didn't get in. It'll be the current lineup minus Boom.
Come to think of it, if I'm remembering correctly, the band can pay for as many band members as they want to attend. But the HOF only "invites" (i.e. doesn't charge) original members, usually measured by who played on the 1st album. It does seem arbitrary, especially if a band member like Matt Cameron has been in the band for so many years. But I've heard about MANY bands complaining of this, so I know it's a weird rule they have about "original lineup". But PJ can afford to invite all their drummers. Won't be surprised if they do, will be more surprised if they don't.
It's not a rule about original lineup (see: nirvana). I think it's just most "significant" lineup. But as far as I know there is no hard and fast rule. It's just whatever guys or gals are deemed by someone to have contributed significantly to the band. If that's the case, I could see it being Dave a, jack, and matt.
And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
What's your source on it being "most significant lineup"? My source on original line-up is hearing/reading about past inductees complaining about the original lineup rule and it actually leaving out the most significant lineup at times. Maybe the complaining I'm thinking of was more about one lineup vs. another, but I could swear there were complaints that the first __________ in the band was NOT the most significant ___________ in the band.
Who knows, I guess we'll find out before the year is over!
I don't have a source, I've just noticed bands that have been induced with members other than original. Note nirvana, as I mentioned above, Fleetwood Mac, the Beatles, etc
Come to think of it, if I'm remembering correctly, the band can pay for as many band members as they want to attend. But the HOF only "invites" (i.e. doesn't charge) original members, usually measured by who played on the 1st album. It does seem arbitrary, especially if a band member like Matt Cameron has been in the band for so many years. But I've heard about MANY bands complaining of this, so I know it's a weird rule they have about "original lineup". But PJ can afford to invite all their drummers. Won't be surprised if they do, will be more surprised if they don't.
It's not a rule about original lineup (see: nirvana). I think it's just most "significant" lineup. But as far as I know there is no hard and fast rule. It's just whatever guys or gals are deemed by someone to have contributed significantly to the band. If that's the case, I could see it being Dave a, jack, and matt.
And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
What's your source on it being "most significant lineup"? My source on original line-up is hearing/reading about past inductees complaining about the original lineup rule and it actually leaving out the most significant lineup at times. Maybe the complaining I'm thinking of was more about one lineup vs. another, but I could swear there were complaints that the first __________ in the band was NOT the most significant ___________ in the band.
Who knows, I guess we'll find out before the year is over!
I don't have a source, I've just noticed bands that have been induced with members other than original. Note nirvana, as I mentioned above, Fleetwood Mac, the Beatles, etc
I think it may be a case by case basis.
If I recall correctly (I invite anyone to correct me, I'm going off memory) I remember there being a problem when Blondie was inducted.
The original lineup was inducted, but Debbie Harry insisted that the active members of Blondie perform at the ceremony, not the original lineup.
I think the original members were pissy about not being allowed to perform, but Harry didn't care as they hadn't been in the band in quite some time.
Point being, I feel like the RRHOF makes it up as they go along.
Kiss has memmbers that were around longer than Ace and Peter Chris. But they inducted Ace and Peter because no one gives a shit about the kiss records that came after them.
I think Matt will be inducted with them, but not because of how long he has been there.
If Dave A isn't with the band that day, it will be sad. He was a huge part of the sound when they were the biggest band in the world, and they never reached that level of commercial success without him. Quite frankly, although he isnt on the album, I associate the Ten era with him. He toured extensively on that record, and took all those songs to the next level.
Hopefully it's everyone who contributed to their success, similar to when Metallica was inducted with the core group (Lars, Kirk & James) as well as Cliff Burton, Jason Newsted and Robert Trujillo.
I still don't understand why Bruce Springsteen was inducted like 15 years before the E Street Band. I know he did some solo stuff but really?? They didn't let Tom Petty in without the Heartbreakers.
I think Bruce recorded his first album not using the E Street band name. And Tom Petty was eligible as a solo artist last year.
All I know is that Dave A will not be in the room when they accept the award (using the PJ20 doc as a reference). And I bet he won't be invited to play with them or anything.
And that sucks.
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All I know is that Dave A will not be in the room when they accept the award (using the PJ20 doc as a reference). And I bet he won't be invited to play with them or anything.
And that sucks.
He's barely mentioned, but then again, Jack and Dave K are barely mentioned as well. PJ has no say in who is inducted. If Dave A is not inducted, then it is up to the band who it invites. The fact that gave Dave a shout out recently gives me hope that they can use this as a way to celebrate all who contributed to the band.
I still don't understand why Bruce Springsteen was inducted like 15 years before the E Street Band. I know he did some solo stuff but really?? They didn't let Tom Petty in without the Heartbreakers.
I think Bruce recorded his first album not using the E Street band name. And Tom Petty was eligible as a solo artist last year.
none of bruce's studio albums have the e street band name, theyre all just "bruce springsteen". the first time the e street band were listed on a bruce album was his live box sex that was released in 1986. so 25 years after that release they were eligible. bruce's first album came out in 1973 but again it was just him listed and not the band, so he got inducted in 1999 as a solo artist.
howard stern asked steve van zandt if he was pissed that bruce got inducted and didnt insist on the e street band being inducted with him, but obviously bruce doesnt have that power.
All I know is that Dave A will not be in the room when they accept the award (using the PJ20 doc as a reference). And I bet he won't be invited to play with them or anything.
And that sucks.
I don't know man, Ed actually mentioned him from the stage for I think the second time ever this year (the first being right after he left and the crowd gave jack a less than kind welcome), so seems he could be extending an olive branch. You never know.
Stone, Jeff, Mike, Eddie, Matt, Dave A, Jack, Dave K, Boom. I don't see why all of these guys shouldn't be Inducted. Each contributed a great deal to the success of the band I one way or another.
To the best of my memory, Boom has never been listed as a member of Pearl Jam on a record. Not sure how the rules work, but this could possibly exempt him from eligibility.
All I know is that Dave A will not be in the room when they accept the award (using the PJ20 doc as a reference). And I bet he won't be invited to play with them or anything.
And that sucks.
I don't know man, Ed actually mentioned him from the stage for I think the second time ever this year (the first being right after he left and the crowd gave jack a less than kind welcome), so seems he could be extending an olive branch. You never know.
olive branch. that's the impression i got too.
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Its going to be current lineup minus Boom and that's how it should be regardless of previous contributions...they will mention the earlier drummers and give them their dues, but if it wasn't for Matt we wouldn't be having this discussion
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And Boom isn't a member of the band so I don't see him getting in
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Chad Canning got a shout out & big ups for his contributions to the band from Dave Grohl in his RRHOF acceptance speech, but that was the extent of their acknowledgement. He was not on stage, I don't think he was mentioned otherwise, and he definitely wasn't inducted.
Who knows, I guess we'll find out before the year is over!
If I recall correctly (I invite anyone to correct me, I'm going off memory) I remember there being a problem when Blondie was inducted.
The original lineup was inducted, but Debbie Harry insisted that the active members of Blondie perform at the ceremony, not the original lineup.
I think the original members were pissy about not being allowed to perform, but Harry didn't care as they hadn't been in the band in quite some time.
Point being, I feel like the RRHOF makes it up as they go along.
They will acknowledge all their drummers and Boom in their speech I'm sure.
I think Matt will be inducted with them, but not because of how long he has been there.
If Dave A isn't with the band that day, it will be sad. He was a huge part of the sound when they were the biggest band in the world, and they never reached that level of commercial success without him. Quite frankly, although he isnt on the album, I associate the Ten era with him. He toured extensively on that record, and took all those songs to the next level.
And that sucks.
none of bruce's studio albums have the e street band name, theyre all just "bruce springsteen". the first time the e street band were listed on a bruce album was his live box sex that was released in 1986. so 25 years after that release they were eligible. bruce's first album came out in 1973 but again it was just him listed and not the band, so he got inducted in 1999 as a solo artist.
howard stern asked steve van zandt if he was pissed that bruce got inducted and didnt insist on the e street band being inducted with him, but obviously bruce doesnt have that power.
Does the inductee always perform? I wonder if the RRHOF will compile some super-band to play tribute songs. Who would THAT include?
I hope Dave A gets in t
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