Dakota Access Pipeline Protests Recall America’s Historical Shame

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    unsung said:

    Thank everything for Government. It has treated these people with such respect and fairness.

    No, of course it hasn't. But government did step in and at least suspended the assault on sacred Native lands. Oil corporations didn't do that.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    Free said:

    http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2990

    Breaking: Arrest Warrant Issued for Amy Goodman in North Dakota After Covering Pipeline Protest

    Good gawd. Collective rolling of eyes.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited September 2016
    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Thank everything for Government. It has treated these people with such respect and fairness.

    No, of course it hasn't. But government did step in and at least suspended the assault on sacred Native lands. Oil corporations didn't do that.

    Wait, so you are giving Government credit for stopping this?

    Didn't Government approve the project in the first place? Or did these nasty oil companies just decided to trespass on these lands without permission? And who was out there protecting the oil companies over the last few weeks? That's right, government cops.

    So Government created this problem, and Government gets the credit for solving the problem.

    It is fucking pathetic is what it is, and so are the endless excuses and defenses of Government.

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    unsung said:

    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Thank everything for Government. It has treated these people with such respect and fairness.

    No, of course it hasn't. But government did step in and at least suspended the assault on sacred Native lands. Oil corporations didn't do that.

    Wait, so you are giving Government credit for stopping this?

    Didn't Government approve the project in the first place? Or did these nasty oil companies just decided to trespass on these lands without permission? And who was out there protecting the oil companies over the last few weeks? That's right, government cops.

    So Government created this problem, and Government gets the credit for solving the problem.

    It is fucking pathetic is what it is, and so are the endless excuses and defenses of Government.

    Yes, government played a role in this. We need to change government to protect rights, not abolish government. Your attempts to do that make about as much sense my me attempting to throw a baseball across lake Erie.

    Yes, oil industry played a major role in this. We need to set a standard by which corporations are not allowed to destroy cultures.

    This issue is about the rights of Native American's rights to the sacred land and culture and how YET AGAIN those rights have been trampled on.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Government is the problem. It has been the entire time of this episode, it holds all blame.
  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    Lobbyists with big money paid to politicians is the problem.
    And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    So government stops this pipeline and suddenly it's good government respecting native rights ... yeah it's more like a high profile incident the government is using to brainwash people into believing government cares about First Nations people's...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    unsung said:

    Government is the problem. It has been the entire time of this episode, it holds all blame.

    You're letting corporate greed off that easy?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    oceaninmyeyes said:

    Lobbyists with big money paid to politicians is the problem.

    Yes!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    lukin2006 said:

    So government stops this pipeline and suddenly it's good government respecting native rights ... yeah it's more like a high profile incident the government is using to brainwash people into believing government cares about First Nations people's...

    No, I'm not giving government credit for this. First off all it's not stopped, it's been temporarily halted to give us all time to forget about it and send the protestors home. It's the Native Americans (with some help from those who support indigenous rights and culture) who deserve credit for getting this pipeline stopped for now. We'll see how long that lasts.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    brianlux said:

    unsung said:

    Government is the problem. It has been the entire time of this episode, it holds all blame.

    You're letting corporate greed off that easy?
    Haha, no.

    But who took the bribes? Government.

    Government is the disease. Why is more government the cure?

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    OK, I'm gonna get my arm in shape and throw that ball across lake Erie while you make government disappear. Lets see who succeeds first.

    I need some ibuprofen. Later....
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
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    Every good deed takes time, Rome wasn't built in a day.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    So government stops this pipeline and suddenly it's good government respecting native rights ... yeah it's more like a high profile incident the government is using to brainwash people into believing government cares about First Nations people's...

    No, I'm not giving government credit for this. First off all it's not stopped, it's been temporarily halted to give us all time to forget about it and send the protestors home. It's the Native Americans (with some help from those who support indigenous rights and culture) who deserve credit for getting this pipeline stopped for now. We'll see how long that lasts.
    Until the election is over is my timeline, everything is political and about politics.I would never advocate for no government, but definitely less government and especially bureaucrats ... government is way too big with way to many over paid bureaucrats. I look at government this way ... any system of government that allows itself the power to raise their own salaries and give themselves the power of taxation is corrupt.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    So government stops this pipeline and suddenly it's good government respecting native rights ... yeah it's more like a high profile incident the government is using to brainwash people into believing government cares about First Nations people's...

    No, I'm not giving government credit for this. First off all it's not stopped, it's been temporarily halted to give us all time to forget about it and send the protestors home. It's the Native Americans (with some help from those who support indigenous rights and culture) who deserve credit for getting this pipeline stopped for now. We'll see how long that lasts.
    Until the election is over is my timeline, everything is political and about politics.I would never advocate for no government, but definitely less government and especially bureaucrats ... government is way too big with way to many over paid bureaucrats. I look at government this way ... any system of government that allows itself the power to raise their own salaries and give themselves the power of taxation is corrupt.
    There is little doubt in most of our minds here that to a bigger or lesser degree, government needs improving.

    Let's pleased not get so bogged down here about discussing the pros and cons of government that we forget the subject of the thread.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
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    The historical shame that American government has placed upon natives?

    Again, the problem. EVERY injustice against Native Americans was by Government. Every.
  • brianlux
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  • g under p
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    Free said:

    http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2990

    Breaking: Arrest Warrant Issued for Amy Goodman in North Dakota After Covering Pipeline Protest

    Well if Amy Goodman gets arrested oddly for the powers that be that arrest will bring even much more needed press to this standoff. She was only doing what she does her job of reporting the event. Ridiculous.....

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  • polaris_x
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    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    Canada is not America Brian, just FYI. We would never ever call ourselves part of America. "America" is the USA, not North America. :)
    but he mentioned Alberta ... probably more american than canadian there ... haha ...

    seriously tho ... this issue embodies what we face currently as citizens in a supposed democracy ...

    here, we have citizens rights being trampled with because gov't continues to side with corporations ... something that has essentially played out in every facet of our lives ... shouldn't the interests of the people supersede that of corporations!? ...

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