Dakota Access Pipeline Protests Recall America’s Historical Shame

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,789
    brianlux said:

    oceaninmyeyes said:

    I was just looking up this link on ways to help besides "hanging dream catchers" :angry:other98.com/best-ways-support-nodapl-protectors/ when I saw this

    The United States Department of Justice (DOJ) has announced it will be temporarily halting construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline effective immediately.
    usuncut.com/news/obama-pipeline-announcement/
    Some good, practical ways to lend support. Thanks ocean!

    As for the temporary halt in construction, I am wary. What do they mean by temporary? During this intermission of construction what will take place? Arbitration? Restoration of sacred grounds? Or just a move to take the wind out of protesters sails, get them to think everything is A-OK now? Looking back at all the broken treaties over the many years... Need I state the obvious?

    And yes, Jose, I just noticed you have suggested the same thing above.



    Yeah I won't believe till they've stated that indeed it will be stopped!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,789
    But at the very least it has gotten national attention!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm kind of where Joni is, on the California front.

    I love more about my home state than I despise (thankfully).

    This song saved me when I was in my 20's, homesick in Europe, and missing home.

    Plus that fucking Sunset Pig. Never did kiss him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvxx8cIdn4
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    josevolution said:

    But at the very least it has gotten national attention!

    Yes! I just hope this "temporary" freeze becomes full stop!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    edited September 2016
    brianlux said:

    oceaninmyeyes said:

    I was just looking up this link on ways to help besides "hanging dream catchers" :angry:other98.com/best-ways-support-nodapl-protectors/ when I saw this

    The United States Department of Justice (DOJ) has announced it will be temporarily halting construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline effective immediately.
    usuncut.com/news/obama-pipeline-announcement/

    Some good, practical ways to lend support. Thanks ocean!

    As for the temporary halt in construction, I am wary. What do they mean by temporary? During this intermission of construction what will take place? Arbitration? Restoration of sacred grounds? Or just a move to take the wind out of protesters sails, get them to think everything is A-OK now? Looking back at all the broken treaties over the many years... Need I state the obvious?

    And yes, Jose, I just noticed you have suggested the same thing above.

    You're welcome. I, too, am uneasy about the "temporary", but I will take it for now. Meanwhile, I think the more noise we all make the better.

    You're welcome too, Free. :smiley:
    Post edited by oceaninmyeyes on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    hedonist said:

    I'm kind of where Joni is, on the California front.

    I love more about my home state than I despise (thankfully).

    This song saved me when I was in my 20's, homesick in Europe, and missing home.

    Plus that fucking Sunset Pig. Never did kiss him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvxx8cIdn4

    I love California as well. I've tried leaving but once you're born here, there is an intangible pull, the force of mountains, desert, and valley but most of all the California coast. What I loath is what has been done to it. I know I should not speak of this place in such harsh terms but what I feel about the destruction and congestion is verified to me by similar feelings expressed by poet Robinson Jeffers:

    "Robinson was emotionally drained when he arrived in Taos [New Mexico] that year. Through the decade, despite success [in his writing] he had suffered from bouts of severe depression. These were caused by many factors, including distress over the ever-increasing popularity of Carmel [California]. Tourists who flocked to the area liked to picnic on the rocks below Tor House [the home he and his wife Una built]. Jeffers erected signs that said, "CLOSED TO MOTORISTS. NO TRESPASSING BY PERSONS LEAVING CARS ON OR NEAR THESE PROPERTY LINES" and, "NO CAMPING. NO SHOOTING. DO NOT LEAVE PAPERS OR OTHER FILTH," but these did little to discourage them. Accordingly, Jeffers thought about moving."

    from Robinson Jeffers, Poet of California by James Karman, page 129.

    And in what decade did this flood of inconsiderate tourists and new residents so distress Jeffers? The 1930's. Eight decades ago.

    This is cause for weeping.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    And places like California will become even more overpopulated as the years go on, the weather is such a draw for so many even though it's quite pricy to live there. Anyways I know you knew where Alberta was. Bad attempt at sarcasm...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    And places like California will become even more overpopulated as the years go on, the weather is such a draw for so many even though it's quite pricy to live there. Anyways I know you knew where Alberta was. Bad attempt at sarcasm...
    Sorry I missed the sarcasm! :smile:

    Yes, California has lovely weather. In fact, let me give you today's forecast:

    Smokey haze with continued smokey haze through September.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    And places like California will become even more overpopulated as the years go on, the weather is such a draw for so many even though it's quite pricy to live there. Anyways I know you knew where Alberta was. Bad attempt at sarcasm...
    Sorry I missed the sarcasm! :smile:

    Yes, California has lovely weather. In fact, let me give you today's forecast:

    Smokey haze with continued smokey haze through September.

    ...and temps in the comfortable 70s?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    Better link

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSE4cH95qlc
    Post edited by Free on
  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    :clap:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Uwo6ZAEG4
    And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    And places like California will become even more overpopulated as the years go on, the weather is such a draw for so many even though it's quite pricy to live there. Anyways I know you knew where Alberta was. Bad attempt at sarcasm...
    Sorry I missed the sarcasm! :smile:

    Yes, California has lovely weather. In fact, let me give you today's forecast:

    Smokey haze with continued smokey haze through September.

    Now that's sarcasm....hahaha

    Good stuff, Brian...

    Then after I thought about it, I thought maybe you were looking to claim Alberta as yours as an alternative place to live for the next 8 years of either president Clinton or trump .... hahaha.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    I'd move to Alberta in a minute. Love it there.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Beautiful province, love their national parks, my favorite travel destination
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited September 2016
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    Canada is not America Brian, just FYI. We would never ever call ourselves part of America. "America" is the USA, not North America. :)
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Alberta! I took this photo after dealing with Canada's super friendly border patrol!

    Ahh, such fond memories ....



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  • unsung
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    Thank everything for Government. It has treated these people with such respect and fairness.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2990

    Breaking: Arrest Warrant Issued for Amy Goodman in North Dakota After Covering Pipeline Protest
  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    Free said:

    http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2990

    Breaking: Arrest Warrant Issued for Amy Goodman in North Dakota After Covering Pipeline Protest

    Such BS.
    And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    PJ_Soul said:

    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    Jason P said:

    No one cares about what goes on in North Dakota because it is the wastelands of the USA.

    Odd that it would be perceived as such. I've been to several parts of the Dakotas a number of times and found most places there to be quite serene and beautiful. The real waste lands in America are places like the tar sands areas in Alberta, Las Vegas, Nevada and the minds of hateful people.
    Alberta is a western province in Canada (we are still a sovereign country) which is part of NA...funny how you omit California, why is that?
    I said "America". Alberta is part of the Americas. I'm well aware of where it is.

    Why did I not mention California? Probably because I have mentioned many times on AMT my dismay at what Ray Dasmann refereed to as "The Destruction of California". That, in fact, is the name of his best known book and it was written in 1965 when California had already been beaten, stripped, robbed and bludgeoned to death by greed, pollution and over-population. Sorry to have assumed but I think most everyone knows how much I bereave my home state of 65 years.
    Canada is not America Brian, just FYI. We would never ever call ourselves part of America. "America" is the USA, not North America. :)
    Details, details... but you're right! Sorry! North America it is.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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