Something about teacher's pay...

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Teachers can't reach everyone bud. You know that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

I'm looking at their collective agreement right now. You should do the same because you are wrong... yup... wrong.

They work three days a week with opportunities for OT outside of that. Further... a minimum of 20 vacation days and a maximum of 35. Nice!

I never said they are starving. I said they work fewer days than teachers... which they do, unless they choose OT.

And to repeat... I'm okay with what they get- they are very valuable. I offered what I have to squash the unsubstantiated 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum than other professionals'.

Bash away... teacher hater. Bash away!

lukin2006

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

I'm looking at their collective agreement right now. You should do the same because you are wrong... yup... wrong.

They work three days a week with opportunities for OT outside of that. Further... a minimum of 20 vacation days and a maximum of 35. Nice!

I never said they are starving. I said they work fewer days than teachers... which they do, unless they choose OT.

And to repeat... I'm okay with what they get- they are very valuable. I offered what I have to squash the unsubstantiated 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum than other professionals'.

Bash away... teacher hater. Bash away!

So you looking at every nurse's contract in Canada .... anyways back to your pity party.

lukin2006

Collective Agreements with Hospitals

https://www.ona.org/ona_members/hospital/collective_agreements.html

Nurse's contracts in Ontario, happy reading...

By the way I'm not bashing teachers or any other public servant, all I'm saying is that public servants are doing well in Canada...the large urban centres are areas where public servants may struggle, but not from poor pay but from outrageous cost of living...but that's also their choice to live in those areas and that is a another thread discussion all together.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

I'm looking at their collective agreement right now. You should do the same because you are wrong... yup... wrong.

They work three days a week with opportunities for OT outside of that. Further... a minimum of 20 vacation days and a maximum of 35. Nice!

I never said they are starving. I said they work fewer days than teachers... which they do, unless they choose OT.

And to repeat... I'm okay with what they get- they are very valuable. I offered what I have to squash the unsubstantiated 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum than other professionals'.

Bash away... teacher hater. Bash away!

So you looking at every nurse's contract in Canada .... anyways back to your pity party.

No. I looked to see what you were saying. I wasn't sure if there was truth to it.

I don't feel sorry for myself at all. I'm okay with everything. I'd like to see things better of course, but as I said... I made my choices.

And really lame comeback, man. You get put in your place and you resort to, essentially, sticking your tongue out.

What is it you do for a living?

lukin2006

Truth to what ... that public servants do very well in Canada? Is that in dispute...the only thing you are are trying to compare is do nurses get more time off than teachers that I could see, based on what I don't know...safe to say nurses are paid hourly so if they work less they would make less...

brianlux

Here's a recent article that corroborates the information in the OP article and emphasizes the notion that "educators are undervalued and underpaid." On top of that, teachers in most places (at least here in the U.S.) have ongoing expenses such as continued education which is more and more expensive. Many teachers are still strapped with student debt. And I've seen other article that talk about how, because of cutbacks in support and financing, many teachers choose to buy classroom materials for their students rather than have them go without. I see that in the bookstore all the time.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/08/17/pay-gap-between-public-school-teachers-and-similar-workers-is-wider-than-ever/

Bentleyspop

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

I'm looking at their collective agreement right now. You should do the same because you are wrong... yup... wrong.

They work three days a week with opportunities for OT outside of that. Further... a minimum of 20 vacation days and a maximum of 35. Nice!

I never said they are starving. I said they work fewer days than teachers... which they do, unless they choose OT.

And to repeat... I'm okay with what they get- they are very valuable. I offered what I have to squash the unsubstantiated 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum than other professionals'.

Bash away... teacher hater. Bash away!

So you looking at every nurse's contract in Canada .... anyways back to your pity party.

Did someone say pity party?

https://youtu.be/VBmCJEehYtU

lukin2006

Bentleyspop said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

pjhawks said:

good to see so many here clearly didn't understand the thread topic or how it started. not one person said teachers were overpaid. i hope you guys teach reading comprehension better than you do it here.

I've done a horrible job trying to teach you.

Are you still struggling with the nurse/teacher comparison?

The one where nurses work fewer days and get paid nearly $20,000 more at every point of the pay grid in Canada...

... and the discrepancy is even greater in the US?

I have tried, but I simply cannot present it any other way to try and explain to you that your 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum compared to other professionals' claim is... simply put... not true.

Nurses in Ontario do not work less than school teachers.

3-4 days per week. Then OT.

No public servant in CANADA is starving unless you work for the federal government and are caught in that nightmare of a payroll system. Nurses do not get 9 weeks off, are also paid hourly ...

I'm looking at their collective agreement right now. You should do the same because you are wrong... yup... wrong.

They work three days a week with opportunities for OT outside of that. Further... a minimum of 20 vacation days and a maximum of 35. Nice!

I never said they are starving. I said they work fewer days than teachers... which they do, unless they choose OT.

And to repeat... I'm okay with what they get- they are very valuable. I offered what I have to squash the unsubstantiated 'teachers work 50 fewer days at a minimum than other professionals'.

Bash away... teacher hater. Bash away!

So you looking at every nurse's contract in Canada .... anyways back to your pity party.

Did someone say pity party?

https://youtu.be/VBmCJEehYtU

Lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

Truth to what ... that public servants do very well in Canada? Is that in dispute...the only thing you are are trying to compare is do nurses get more time off than teachers that I could see, based on what I don't know...safe to say nurses are paid hourly so if they work less they would make less...

Geez Lukin...

It's been suggested that teachers earn as much as other professionals given they work 77% of the days that other professionals work (at a minimum 50 days less).

I pointed out the fact- alluding to documentation- that this isn't the case. I'm not going to bother repeating the comparison and discrepancies.

The only thing I really care about at this point is the fact that misinformation isn't spread about.

pjhawks

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Truth to what ... that public servants do very well in Canada? Is that in dispute...the only thing you are are trying to compare is do nurses get more time off than teachers that I could see, based on what I don't know...safe to say nurses are paid hourly so if they work less they would make less...

Geez Lukin...

It's been suggested that teachers earn as much as other professionals given they work 77% of the days that other professionals work (at a minimum 50 days less).

I pointed out the fact- alluding to documentation- that this isn't the case. I'm not going to bother repeating the comparison and discrepancies.

The only thing I really care about at this point is the fact that misinformation isn't spread about.

my local school district in Pennsylvania USA non-traditional regular office works days off for 2016-2017.

October 12th
November 25th
December 26th through December 30th
January 16th
February 20th
April 10th through April 14th
June 21st through June 30th
All of July - 21 Weekdays
Most of August - so around 20 weekdays
Total Days Off for School Year 2016-2017: 64 days

so just stop with the bullshit teachers don't get more days off. it's insulting to insist they don't.

thus endeth the lesson

PJfanwillneverleave1

This thread has turned to bullshit.
Teachers deserve a salary commensurate with doctors.
Both save lives.
If you didn't have a great teacher growing up....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjhawks said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Truth to what ... that public servants do very well in Canada? Is that in dispute...the only thing you are are trying to compare is do nurses get more time off than teachers that I could see, based on what I don't know...safe to say nurses are paid hourly so if they work less they would make less...

Geez Lukin...

It's been suggested that teachers earn as much as other professionals given they work 77% of the days that other professionals work (at a minimum 50 days less).

I pointed out the fact- alluding to documentation- that this isn't the case. I'm not going to bother repeating the comparison and discrepancies.

The only thing I really care about at this point is the fact that misinformation isn't spread about.

my local school district in Pennsylvania USA non-traditional regular office works days off for 2016-2017.

October 12th
November 25th
December 26th through December 30th
January 16th
February 20th
April 10th through April 14th
June 21st through June 30th
All of July - 21 Weekdays
Most of August - so around 20 weekdays
Total Days Off for School Year 2016-2017: 64 days

so just stop with the bullshit teachers don't get more days off. it's insulting to insist they don't.

thus endeth the lesson

Okay.

You've almost got it.

Now remember... nobody was disputing teachers' time away from the factory.

You were asserting that teachers worked 'at a minimum 50 days less than any other profession' or '77% days of work other professions worked'. This was the point of contention (point of emphasis here!).

To convince us... you would need to compare it to some other profession and their scheduled days of work coupled with their pay structure and benefit package.

I provided some data for you that grossly contradicted your claim... but you bemoaned that data was 'from another country' ... so it didn't count in your eyes.

It's time to finish your work now. Throw the stake right into the heart of the teaching profession and shut those whiners up once and for all. Exactly how many days do other professions (even one profession) work and what do they get paid so we can make that comparison everyone outside of you and Free fail to see given our simplicity?

* How's that for teaching? I just spent 30 minutes on one student. On unpaid time no less. I'll likely get a call from a parent now asking why the submission wasn't 'A' quality... so I'll spend another 15 minutes explaining the same thing: why the assignment wasn't completed (even though it looked kind of fancy) and what pjhawks needed to do to make it outstanding. I'll spend another 30 minutes mulling over the situation in my head while pretending to pay attention to my wife or kids telling me something in Charlie Brown's teacher voice.

** Can you tell us what you do? How do you make your money? How do you navigate your way through this world? It might help knowing.

brianlux

pjhawks said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

Truth to what ... that public servants do very well in Canada? Is that in dispute...the only thing you are are trying to compare is do nurses get more time off than teachers that I could see, based on what I don't know...safe to say nurses are paid hourly so if they work less they would make less...

Geez Lukin...

It's been suggested that teachers earn as much as other professionals given they work 77% of the days that other professionals work (at a minimum 50 days less).

I pointed out the fact- alluding to documentation- that this isn't the case. I'm not going to bother repeating the comparison and discrepancies.

The only thing I really care about at this point is the fact that misinformation isn't spread about.

my local school district in Pennsylvania USA non-traditional regular office works days off for 2016-2017.

October 12th
November 25th
December 26th through December 30th
January 16th
February 20th
April 10th through April 14th
June 21st through June 30th
All of July - 21 Weekdays
Most of August - so around 20 weekdays
Total Days Off for School Year 2016-2017: 64 days

so just stop with the bullshit teachers don't get more days off. it's insulting to insist they don't.

thus endeth the lesson

I can't tell if you're jealous or just pissed off pjhawks. Look at it this way- do you believe small business owners only work when the store is open? Oh, don't we wish! Same with teaching.

This fact remains: teachers are underappreciated, under-respected and underpaid.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

1)This thread has turned to bullshit.
2)Teachers deserve a salary commensurate with doctors.
3)Both save lives.
4)If you didn't have a great teacher growing up....

1) mostly
2) 3) and 4) Yes, yes, yes!

mcgruff10

so teacher's in pennsylvania have off (i'll provide a description for each day off the top of my head):
October 12th: columbus day
November 25th: thanksgiving
December 26th through December 30th: winter break
January 16th: mlk day
February 20th: president's day
April 10th through April 14th: spring break
June 21st through June 30th: start of summer vacation. in new jersey we have contracts until june 30th so june 21-june 30 are paid days off.
All of July - 21 Weekdays: summer vacation: no pay
Most of August - so around 20 weekdays: summer vacation no pay
Total Days Off for School Year 2016-2017: 64 days

don't all jobs (except first responders and people working in the medical field) get these "banker's holidays" off plus anywhere from 3-6 weeks paid vacation a year? what's the gripe?

what dreams

I just wish people would quit calling summer a "vacation."

It's a furlough. No other salaried professional experiences an annual furlough where they have to fend for themselves for two months.

And nobody has yet addressed my concern for new teachers who, in the best paying districts, might gross 40K a year.

In five years in private industry, my 28 year old niece makes as much as I do teaching for 23. AND her company is headquartered in France. You know what means . . . those people never work . . . Hahaha

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

so teacher's in pennsylvania have off (i'll provide a description for each day off the top of my head):
October 12th: columbus day
November 25th: thanksgiving
December 26th through December 30th: winter break
January 16th: mlk day
February 20th: president's day
April 10th through April 14th: spring break
June 21st through June 30th: start of summer vacation. in new jersey we have contracts until june 30th so june 21-june 30 are paid days off.
All of July - 21 Weekdays: summer vacation: no pay
Most of August - so around 20 weekdays: summer vacation no pay
Total Days Off for School Year 2016-2017: 64 days

don't all jobs (except first responders and people working in the medical field) get these "banker's holidays" off plus anywhere from 3-6 weeks paid vacation a year? what's the gripe?

Not those of us who are self employed but we are sadomasochistic when it comes to working, haha!

brianlux

what dreams said:

I just wish people would quit calling summer a "vacation."

It's a furlough. No other salaried professional experiences an annual furlough where they have to fend for themselves for two months.

And nobody has yet addressed my concern for new teachers who, in the best paying districts, might gross 40K a year.

In five years in private industry, my 28 year old niece makes as much as I do teaching for 23. AND her company is headquartered in France. You know what means . . . those people never work . . . Hahaha

The statistics prove you right, dreams. I'm not sure why a few here don't get that.

Thank you, teachers!