I don't even think people are shocked. We just aren't going to accept it as the norm.
Here in the states we have accepted it , it's not shocking any more Sandy hook was the straw that broke the shock value .. The only thing I find shocking is that NOTHING was done after SH massacre !!
I dunno, I feel like most people were pretty shocked, saddened and dismayed after Orlando, Dallas, and a bunch of other attacks since Sandy Hook.
orlando was the biggest mass shooting in our history. people are going to be shocked by sheer body count.
dallas was a lone nut on cops. shocking because it was on duty police who were ambushed.
unfortunately, and i will bet anybody anything on this, many americans care more about the 4 americans killed in benghazi than any of those others. this is what politics and nationalism does. it makes us ethnocentric.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
apparently trump thinks he can stop things like this.
why is everyone shocked by this? it happens every single day somewhere in the world.
i'm not going to waste my time typing about how angry i am about this. i have done it a hundred times. it keeps happening, and nothing is ever going to stop it.
People are shocked because it happened in western Europe instead of somewhere more "foreign". Not to minimize the event. They are all horrifying.
I don't agree that people are shocked because it happened in germany as opposed to Bangladesh. The west has had more than its fair share of attacks to make this less shocking every time.
I am not sure what you're saying here.
You said people are shocked because it happened in western Europe as opposed to somewhere more foreign. I disagree with that premise. The west has had more than its fair share of terrorist attacks. So much so, that it's becoming a normal thing.
But they are certainly still much, much more reactive when it's in the West as opposed to elsewhere.
Doesn't you mean the people are much more reactive in the west?
Huh? I'm just saying that North Americans are much more interested in or concerned about such attacks if they occur in Western Europe as opposed to elsewhere. Why this vexes me a little bit is because the attacks that happen elsewhere are just as indicative of the growing problem of terrorism in the world, just as much a warning or sign of the terrible issues we're facing right now, and those are the places where it happens far more often.
Typo, Should have said "do you mean...."
But, im not sure I think NA are more concerned if it happens in Europe as opposed to the middle east or asia. We all know they are working their way west. It's already started here in the states. Mostly all by American radicals. But it won't be long before there are foreign radicals shooting up places here and in Canada. And I doubt it will be all that surprising to anyone. Shocking, yes.
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apparently trump thinks he can stop things like this.
why is everyone shocked by this? it happens every single day somewhere in the world.
i'm not going to waste my time typing about how angry i am about this. i have done it a hundred times. it keeps happening, and nothing is ever going to stop it.
People are shocked because it happened in western Europe instead of somewhere more "foreign". Not to minimize the event. They are all horrifying.
I don't agree that people are shocked because it happened in germany as opposed to Bangladesh. The west has had more than its fair share of attacks to make this less shocking every time.
I am not sure what you're saying here.
You said people are shocked because it happened in western Europe as opposed to somewhere more foreign. I disagree with that premise. The west has had more than its fair share of terrorist attacks. So much so, that it's becoming a normal thing.
But they are certainly still much, much more reactive when it's in the West as opposed to elsewhere.
Doesn't you mean the people are much more reactive in the west?
Huh? I'm just saying that North Americans are much more interested in or concerned about such attacks if they occur in Western Europe as opposed to elsewhere. Why this vexes me a little bit is because the attacks that happen elsewhere are just as indicative of the growing problem of terrorism in the world, just as much a warning or sign of the terrible issues we're facing right now, and those are the places where it happens far more often.
Typo, Should have said "do you mean...."
But, im not sure I think NA are more concerned if it happens in Europe as opposed to the middle east or asia. We all know they are working their way west. It's already started here in the states. Mostly all by American radicals. But it won't be long before there are foreign radicals shooting up places here and in Canada. And I doubt it will be all that surprising to anyone. Shocking, yes.
Well when was the last time you saw a candlelight vigil that spanned two continents for the many innocent victims of a terrorist attack that happened in Pakistan or Indonesia?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
kce8 is in Germany - not sure how close she is to Munich, but I hope she and her loved ones are safe.
As to the "shock factor", people react in their own ways...much like grief (ie, not as a demonstration for anyone else's benefit or opinion). This awful shit's weighed on me today as did Dallas, Nice, Orlando, Paris - and that's just the recent ones. So anyone claiming the majority are indifferent...respectfully disagree.
kce8 is in Germany - not sure how close she is to Munich, but I hope she and her loved ones are safe.
As to the "shock factor", people react in their own ways...much like grief (ie, not as a demonstration for anyone else's benefit or opinion). This awful shit's weighed on me today as did Dallas, Nice, Orlando, Paris - and that's just the recent ones. So anyone claiming the majority are indifferent...respectfully disagree.
Just unnecessary losses of life, and for what?
To what end?
Yeah, obviously I do think most are basically indifferent about attacks outside of the West, but I agree that most aren't indifferent to these American or Western European attacks, nor are they desensitized. I think most express a pretty normal and authentic level of shock and dismay when these and tricks happen. Short of pulling our hair and tearing our clothes as we weep in the streets, I'm not sure how much more people could express their dismay when these think things happen in the West. Obviously the number of people that die has a direct affect on the amount of shock and dismay people feel, which is normal.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not shocking to me anymore , these massacres seem to happen here all the time ...I know they don't happen every week but I'm just done getting sick to my head over them !
Is it wide open, or are countries taking in refugees? And you seem to know who the shooter(s) is.
we don't know for a fact but couple different news sources has cited terrorism and lets be honest the track record lately has been terrorism or lone wolf terrorism, however you chose to label it
How about you actually get some facts before making assumptions? Reports suggest the perpetrators were in fact neo-Nazi scum, so ye can hold off on your anti-Muslim, anti-refugee diatribe for this one.
And to those of you suggesting this is now normal, let me assure you that here in Europe we are not desensitised to it and it does still cause great shock.
Basically, the German police aren't leaping to any conclusions. There are conflicting eyewitness reports, one person claiming he shouted abuse against foreigners and said he was German, another saying he yelled Allahu Akbar.
So I guess we just have to wait for more concrete info
Sounds like a single shooter. An 18 year old kid with German and Iranian citizenship. Early reports are the guy had no links to a terror group. But that he had some sort of mental disorder (obvioulsy).
I guess the days of just taking yourself out are over. Everyone wants to make a head line.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Sounds like a single shooter. An 18 year old kid with German and Iranian citizenship. Early reports are the guy had no links to a terror group. But that he had some sort of mental disorder (obvioulsy).
I guess the days of just taking yourself out are over. Everyone wants to make a head line.
While I've agreed with most of what you've posted here I don't agree with your "obviously". Violence does not equate to mental illness, and we do those you do struggle with mental illness a huge disservice to assume it does. Far more violence is due to plain old anger and frustration in people who never developed better ways to deal with it, often fueled by alcohol or drugs.
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Sounds like a single shooter. An 18 year old kid with German and Iranian citizenship. Early reports are the guy had no links to a terror group. But that he had some sort of mental disorder (obvioulsy).
I guess the days of just taking yourself out are over. Everyone wants to make a head line.
While I've agreed with most of what you've posted here I don't agree with your "obviously". Violence does not equate to mental illness, and we do those you do struggle with mental illness a huge disservice to assume it does. Far more violence is due to plain old anger and frustration in people who never developed better ways to deal with it, often fueled by alcohol or drugs.
If you are willing to walk outside of a mcdonalds and start shooting and target children, you have some sort of mental disorder. The rational brain does not work that way.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
So many lunitics out there Some times are isis,sometimes a fucked up kid,some times a freak out person.. Thing is all of them,,just shoot innocent..simple people walkimg in a street,shopping in a mall Now a kid ..of 18 years old..born and raise to munich ,parents from iran... Thing is the world is fucked up and human life means nothing for so many out there What is clear for me so far..in almost all situations...the suspect,the murderers are almost always someone doesnt fit in society.they are out of it..or kicked out of it.,thats why mostly are muslism Cos cant get easily along their style of life and religion with west world.and they left alone..with no friends,no girlfriend,,sure some make fun of them,..and thats makes jealousy,creates hate..and them he turns into fanatic groups..and its more easily then to turn u to something dangerous....alot find selter to fanatic islam grouos and get manipulate and becomes from a kid to a murderer...someone that finnaly gets the attention,do something "important"..his name stays at history....globalization has a price that some must pay with their lifes...sad..but true
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
In other good news about it 2 pj fans and friends from munich both of them and their families are safe
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Sounds like a single shooter. An 18 year old kid with German and Iranian citizenship. Early reports are the guy had no links to a terror group. But that he had some sort of mental disorder (obvioulsy).
I guess the days of just taking yourself out are over. Everyone wants to make a head line.
While I've agreed with most of what you've posted here I don't agree with your "obviously". Violence does not equate to mental illness, and we do those you do struggle with mental illness a huge disservice to assume it does. Far more violence is due to plain old anger and frustration in people who never developed better ways to deal with it, often fueled by alcohol or drugs.
If you are willing to walk outside of a mcdonalds and start shooting and target children, you have some sort of mental disorder. The rational brain does not work that way.
Human behaviour is far more complex than "rational vs irrational", and assuming that everyone who is violent has a mental disorder lets those who are violent due to normal human emotions like rage and jealousy off far too easily.
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dallas was a lone nut on cops. shocking because it was on duty police who were ambushed.
unfortunately, and i will bet anybody anything on this, many americans care more about the 4 americans killed in benghazi than any of those others. this is what politics and nationalism does. it makes us ethnocentric.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Should have said "do you mean...."
But, im not sure I think NA are more concerned if it happens in Europe as opposed to the middle east or asia. We all know they are working their way west. It's already started here in the states. Mostly all by American radicals. But it won't be long before there are foreign radicals shooting up places here and in Canada. And I doubt it will be all that surprising to anyone. Shocking, yes.
we will find a way, we will find our place
As to the "shock factor", people react in their own ways...much like grief (ie, not as a demonstration for anyone else's benefit or opinion). This awful shit's weighed on me today as did Dallas, Nice, Orlando, Paris - and that's just the recent ones. So anyone claiming the majority are indifferent...respectfully disagree.
Just unnecessary losses of life, and for what?
To what end?
and sick individuals with a will to kill
All of Europe is wide open and Germany took in a lot of these refugees
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/world/europe/germany-to-accept-syrian-refugees.html?_r=0
this is from February...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/world/europe/germany-refugees-isis.html
we will find a way, we will find our place
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
And to those of you suggesting this is now normal, let me assure you that here in Europe we are not desensitised to it and it does still cause great shock.
we will find a way, we will find our place
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You may be correct in the end but...pretty bold assumption.
I'm not radicalized.
So I guess we just have to wait for more concrete info
I guess the days of just taking yourself out are over. Everyone wants to make a head line.
we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
Some times are isis,sometimes a fucked up kid,some times a freak out person..
Thing is all of them,,just shoot innocent..simple people walkimg in a street,shopping in a mall
Now a kid ..of 18 years old..born and raise to munich ,parents from iran...
Thing is the world is fucked up and human life means nothing for so many out there
What is clear for me so far..in almost all situations...the suspect,the murderers are almost always someone doesnt fit in society.they are out of it..or kicked out of it.,thats why mostly are muslism
Cos cant get easily along their style of life and religion with west world.and they left alone..with no friends,no girlfriend,,sure some make fun of them,..and thats makes jealousy,creates hate..and them he turns into fanatic groups..and its more easily then to turn u to something dangerous....alot find selter to fanatic islam grouos and get manipulate and becomes from a kid to a murderer...someone that finnaly gets the attention,do something "important"..his name stays at history....globalization has a price that some must pay with their lifes...sad..but true
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
2 pj fans and friends from munich both of them and their families are safe
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”