Jill Stein for President

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
The cards may have changed but a bluff is a bluff.

Re Rand yeah you're right. Doesn't mean you have to be a fan though. You're at least edumacted and smrt enough to know of the writing.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
The cards may have changed but a bluff is a bluff.

Re Rand yeah you're right. Doesn't mean you have to be a fan though. You're at least edumacted and smrt enough to know of the writing.

I hear a trump card joke in the making.

lukin2006

So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...

I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...

I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.

Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.

"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."

lukin2006

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...

I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.

Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.

"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."

But now it looks like he never had a chance ... looks like they had their mind made up. To me that gives Trump the edge. He had powerful people in the Republican Party working against him and still got the nod ... maybe something was up, but it appears trump win was legit.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

So is this who the Bernie fans are now supporting .... maybe if all the Bernie fans got behind her from the get go this election would be interesting. Yes/No? Enough Bernie supporters around to at least make her a little relevent in the election, maybe. Ross Perot, relevent ...

I dunno, looks like Bernie let you down by jumping to the good ship Clinton.

Personally, I liked Stein from the get-go but the thing is, the Green Party had very little chance of winning the presidency and Bernie did. I'm a bigger Stein supporter but liked Bernie enough such that when it looked like he had a shot at it, he was the one I supported. With him out of it, that leaves Stein. And yes, he did disappoint me. Maybe he's scared shitless like a lot of other people over the possibility of Trump winning.

"God, what a mess/ on the ladder of sucksess."

But now it looks like he never had a chance ... looks like they had their mind made up. To me that gives Trump the edge. He had powerful people in the Republican Party working against him and still got the nod ... maybe something was up, but it appears trump win was legit.

If Sanders truly never had a chance then everything unsung has been telling us is true- and it very well may be. Bottom line is, if I'm going to vote I have to vote my conscience. Easier said than done.

Oh good gawd, more ibuprofen!

polaris_x

the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...

brianlux

polaris_x said:

the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...

That makes sense.

Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
How could Trump be worse than you as president?
Trump never changes his mind on candidates.

What, are you kidding?? Trump, who was a big Clinton cheerleader right up until he decided to run?

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

polaris_x said:

the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...

That makes sense.

Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.

Doesn't look like you are alone.
https://youtu.be/nUOtnHcQ7FI

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

polaris_x said:

the reality is that the majority of people can vote for jill stein without any real consequence ... only the people in swing states need to decide if voting strategically is something they want to do ...

That makes sense.

Either way, I'm so disgusted with the whole mess. Trump is a joke. Clinton is almost as bad. I'm voting for Stein.

Doesn't look like you are alone.
https://youtu.be/nUOtnHcQ7FI

Right on. Good to see Cornell West on there.

Go Stein!

PJ_Soul

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

Really...I think many people think he's better than her, neither is really worthy of being the next POTUS.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

Really...I think many people think he's better than her, neither is really worthy of being the next POTUS.

Agreed. I think it's a moot point. Like falling 200 feet onto concrete or 180 feet. Either way, splat!

lukin2006

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

Really...I think many people think he's better than her, neither is really worthy of being the next POTUS.

Agreed. I think it's a moot point. Like falling 200 feet onto concrete or 180 feet. Either way, splat!

Good for you for sticking to your principal and voting for the candidate who best fits your philosophy.

Somehow you guys ended up with your choices as Trump or Clinton .... argh, I still think a trump presidency would be a hoot, talk about a man with no filter, sure says some crazy ass shit, hahaha.

brianlux

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

Really...I think many people think he's better than her, neither is really worthy of being the next POTUS.

Agreed. I think it's a moot point. Like falling 200 feet onto concrete or 180 feet. Either way, splat!

Good for you for sticking to your principal and voting for the candidate who best fits your philosophy.

Somehow you guys ended up with your choices as Trump or Clinton .... argh, I still think a trump presidency would be a hoot, talk about a man with no filter, sure says some crazy ass shit, hahaha.

I actually went back and forth there for a while but the thought of voting yet again for someone I can't really back just didn't hold up for me. I thought to myself, "Shoot, life's to short. Do what you believe and feel. You might not get another chance."

Some of my friends have strongly suggested to me that a vote for Stein is a vote for Trump. I listened and strongly considered their words. It's been on my mind a lot for weeks. I appreciate their concern and position that way. But in the end, I have to do what feels right. To my thinking a vote for Stein is a vote for Stein.

In any case, beyond all the politics, I completely agree with Edward Abbey when he said: "I would never betray a friend so serve a cause. Never reject a friend to serve an institution. Great nations may fall in ruin before I would sell* a friend to save them."

*I believe he meant sell as in sell-off or sell-out.

Right on E.A.

Free

That thing about being a Bernie supporter Brian, and we really hold Bernie's integrity to heart and believe what he said to be true. It makes us all have more integrity ourselves especially with our votes.

Degeneratefk

Why are you deciding who to vote for now? There's still over 3 months until election day. A lot cold happen in that time.

PJfanwillneverleave1

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

brianlux said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I am still having trouble believing that anyone thinks that Hillary is "almost as bad" as Trump in terms of who is the next POTUS (since it's going to be one of them). I don't think it's even remotely close, and I don't like her.

Really...I think many people think he's better than her, neither is really worthy of being the next POTUS.

Agreed. I think it's a moot point. Like falling 200 feet onto concrete or 180 feet. Either way, splat!

Good for you for sticking to your principal and voting for the candidate who best fits your philosophy.

Somehow you guys ended up with your choices as Trump or Clinton .... argh, I still think a trump presidency would be a hoot, talk about a man with no filter, sure says some crazy ass shit, hahaha.

I completely agree with Edward Abbey when he said: "I would never betray a friend so serve a cause. Never reject a friend to serve an institution. Great nations may fall in ruin before I would sell* a friend to save them."

Bernie doesn't believe this.
Try explaining that to is ex followers.

brianlux

Free said:

That thing about being a Bernie supporter Brian, and we really hold Bernie's integrity to heart and believe what he said to be true. It makes us all have more integrity ourselves especially with our votes.

I was very unhappy with Bernie when he threw his support to HRC but I think I get it now. And I'm very certain that when the smoke has cleared, he will still be a voice worth listening to. We are lucky to have him. No doubt about it.