Jill Stein for President

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    edited July 2016
    Free said:

    You realize that this push towards conformity you're doing doesn't sway many of us Bernie and Stein supporters, right?

    I'm not pushing towards conformity at all - I'm a non-conformist. I'm just observing reality and making statements based on it. But to be clear, nobody on these boards is swaying anyone. If you think you are or could, you're kidding yourself. What we're doing it attempting to have conversations (you don't make it easy - that doesn't seem to be why you're here).
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    You realize that this push towards conformity you're doing doesn't sway many of us Bernie and Stein supporters, right?

    I'm not pushing towards conformity at all - I'm a non-conformist. I'm just observing reality and making statements based on it. But to be clear, nobody on these boards is swaying anyone. If you think you are or could, you're kidding yourself. What we're doing it attempting to have conversations (you don't make it easy - that doesn't seem to be why you're here).
    Yes you are. You are attempting to make all 3rd party voters "get in line" and conform and vote Hillary. Whether you want to be leave it or not.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    This thread is about Jill Stein. If you have nothing to say about the candidate...
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    You realize that this push towards conformity you're doing doesn't sway many of us Bernie and Stein supporters, right?

    I'm not pushing towards conformity at all - I'm a non-conformist. I'm just observing reality and making statements based on it. But to be clear, nobody on these boards is swaying anyone. If you think you are or could, you're kidding yourself. What we're doing it attempting to have conversations (you don't make it easy - that doesn't seem to be why you're here).
    Yes you are. You are attempting to make all 3rd party voters "get in line" and conform and vote Hillary. Whether you want to be leave it or not.
    I am stating my opinion on the matter. I am not attempting to do anything other than that. If you are incapable of understanding that concept please just ignore my posts.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    BTW, strategic voting isn't conformity. It just is what it is in order to get the best results possible (in a situation where the best results are still undesirable, but that is really neither here nor there). If Bernie still had a chance, I'd be all over it. But he doesn't. And Jill Stein obviously has no chance either. Too bad, but it's a fact.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    BTW, strategic voting isn't conformity. It just is what it is in order to get the best results possible (in a situation where the best results are still undesirable, but that is really neither here nor there). If Bernie still had a chance, I'd be all over it. But he doesn't. And Jill Stein obviously has no chance either. Too bad, but it's a fact.

    You don't get it. We don't care to vote the lesser of two evils, or at least many of us don't. It's about putting value in our 1 vote and not voting for someone we despise in the White House. It's not about being part of the winning team because they are both losers. We all lose with either trump or Clinton.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    REBELS!


    lol
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    edited July 2016
    Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BTW, strategic voting isn't conformity. It just is what it is in order to get the best results possible (in a situation where the best results are still undesirable, but that is really neither here nor there). If Bernie still had a chance, I'd be all over it. But he doesn't. And Jill Stein obviously has no chance either. Too bad, but it's a fact.

    You don't get it. We don't care to vote the lesser of two evils, or at least many of us don't. It's about putting value in our 1 vote and not voting for someone we despise in the White House. It's not about being part of the winning team because they are both losers. We all lose with either trump or Clinton.
    Dude, I get it. It's not the concept that I'm having trouble with. I just don't think that's a very good way to go about it because in the end it could hurt everyone and a nation in a very real way. For me, that is just not worth people voting their conscience. If it makes any sense at all, of course I love to vote for who I really believe in too, obviously. That is a wonderful thing to be able to do (and I've actually been able to do it a couple of times in my life). But when that becomes impossible unless I essentially throw my vote to the worst candidate, I turn to logic. I care about my own values a lot and put everything I can towards that in terms of political support and voting.... But once that starts helping the worst option, I discard my ego and do what's best for the ultimate outcome of the election.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited July 2016
    It's your choice if you want to deal with it or not.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    Free said:

    It's your choice if you want to deal with it or not.

    I don't know what that means.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    It's your choice if you want to deal with it or not.

    I don't know what that means.
    It means agree to disagree.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Trump doesn't hate black people or muslims.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Stop it...we certainly have our issues but everything is so politicized. Things aren't nearly as bad as the news would lead you to believe. Stop it with this revolution talk...

    The economy is in a decent place, there has been a ton of social change, we are leading the world in technological innovation, cities are growing in a positive way, etc.

    Sure, there are large issues with economic disparity, poverty, gun violence, education, etc. but we are a massive country. The only two countries in the world that have more people have significantly bigger issues than we do...It's a lot easier to get 30 million people taken care of than 300 million
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Trump doesn't hate black people or muslims.
    You know that's not what polaris_x said, right?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Cliffy6745 said:

    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Stop it...we certainly have our issues but everything is so politicized. Things aren't nearly as bad as the news would lead you to believe. Stop it with this revolution talk...

    The economy is in a decent place, there has been a ton of social change, we are leading the world in technological innovation, cities are growing in a positive way, etc.

    Sure, there are large issues with economic disparity, poverty, gun violence, education, etc. but we are a massive country. The only two countries in the world that have more people have significantly bigger issues than we do...It's a lot easier to get 30 million people taken care of than 300 million
    This is a Jill Stein thread. Anyone who is for Stein has the freedom to voice their pro-Stein opinions w/out status quo folks beating them down.

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    edited July 2016
    Free said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Stop it...we certainly have our issues but everything is so politicized. Things aren't nearly as bad as the news would lead you to believe. Stop it with this revolution talk...

    The economy is in a decent place, there has been a ton of social change, we are leading the world in technological innovation, cities are growing in a positive way, etc.

    Sure, there are large issues with economic disparity, poverty, gun violence, education, etc. but we are a massive country. The only two countries in the world that have more people have significantly bigger issues than we do...It's a lot easier to get 30 million people taken care of than 300 million
    This is a Jill Stein thread. Anyone who is for Stein has the freedom to voice their pro-Stein opinions w/out status quo folks beating them down.

    Not beating him down. Telling him I disagree with the fact that America needs a revolution. I am perfectly fine with his opinion.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    Free said:

    I will either be writing in Bernie OR voting Stein, the Green Party candidate.

    I completely understand voting your conscience. But you do realize that not voting or voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton is a vote for donald drumpf.

    See: George Wallace 1968
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Bentleyspop said:

    Free said:

    I will either be writing in Bernie OR voting Stein, the Green Party candidate.

    I completely understand voting your conscience. But you do realize that not voting or voting for anyone other than Hillary Clinton is a vote for donald drumpf.

    See: George Wallace 1968
    I am not worried about Trump.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Free said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    polaris_x said:

    if i was american - i'd definitely vote jill stein ... america needs a revolution but they are too busy hating on muslims and black people to give a shit ...

    Stop it...we certainly have our issues but everything is so politicized. Things aren't nearly as bad as the news would lead you to believe. Stop it with this revolution talk...

    The economy is in a decent place, there has been a ton of social change, we are leading the world in technological innovation, cities are growing in a positive way, etc.

    Sure, there are large issues with economic disparity, poverty, gun violence, education, etc. but we are a massive country. The only two countries in the world that have more people have significantly bigger issues than we do...It's a lot easier to get 30 million people taken care of than 300 million
    This is a Jill Stein thread. Anyone who is for Stein has the freedom to voice their pro-Stein opinions w/out status quo folks beating them down.

    Not beating him down. Telling him I disagree with the fact that America needs a revolution. I am perfectly fine with his opinion.
    Actually, it does need a revolution, from big banks, corporate ownership of everything, and money running politics and elections. Very much indeed.

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