Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
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    The right's hypocrisy on this issue stinks to high heavens.
    Bans can't stop people from doing what they want like getting guns and killing people so there's no reason to ban them.
    On the other hand, let's ban abortion, marijuana, same-sex marriage, Islam, and people from Islamic countries, because those bans will work somehow.

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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
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    rgambs said:
    The right's hypocrisy on this issue stinks to high heavens.
    Bans can't stop people from doing what they want like getting guns and killing people so there's no reason to ban them.
    On the other hand, let's ban abortion, marijuana, same-sex marriage, Islam, and people from Islamic countries, because those bans will work somehow.

    thank you.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    Degeneratefk said:
    Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting. 
    Wow, so many professional hunters around here.  Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol
    I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time.  Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.  
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
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    PJPOWER said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting. 
    Wow, so many professional hunters around here.  Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol
    I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time.  Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.  
    i think you are smart enough to get the point.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    vaggar99 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Degeneratefk said:
    Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting. 
    Wow, so many professional hunters around here.  Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol
    I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time.  Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.  
    i think you are smart enough to get the point.
    Oh I do, I totally do.....people hate all guns...noted.
    Since you guys keep bringing up hunting...in my experience, the deer suffer way less when harvested by a .308 than when hit by an arrow.  
    And, for me, it is way more about the harvest and meat than the “skill”.  Either way, even the laziest hunter exercises more skill that driving to the supermarket to buy meat that someone else killed.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
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    Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to be a part of this story'

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-company-longer-sell-assault/story?id=53403284
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    dignin said:

    Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to be a part of this story'

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-company-longer-sell-assault/story?id=53403284
    Will Walmart follow suit? Or have they already? I heard that 3% of gun owners own 50% of the guns, with the average being 17 per. Don’t know if it’s true as I heard it on my morning drive. That 3% have pretty big houses.
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    What about the children and families suffering. Instead of deer?


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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:

    Dick's Sporting Goods CEO on decision to no longer sell assault-style rifles: 'We don’t want to be a part of this story'

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-company-longer-sell-assault/story?id=53403284
    Will Walmart follow suit? Or have they already? I heard that 3% of gun owners own 50% of the guns, with the average being 17 per. Don’t know if it’s true as I heard it on my morning drive. That 3% have pretty big houses.
    Yeah, I do not really know how that number could really be ascertained.  Most gun owners I know probably would flat out disregard or lie on any survey inquiring about gun ownership and are actually pretty private about what they own in general.
    And I’m not sure I have ever seen ar-15s at Wal-Marts (and i’m In TX).  Not to say that is definitive proof (and truthfully, I hardly ever go to Wal-Fart).  Regardless, I’m perfectly fine with a store choosing not to sell firearms or certain types of firearms or anything else for that matter.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    lastexitlondon said:
    What about the children and families suffering. Instead of deer?
    Can’t say that I know anyone that hunts children and families (pretty sure that is banned too).  Are we talking about hunters or ar-15s here?  People keep bringing up hunting, so I’m not sure.  Pretty sure hunting with rifles has caused way less human suffering than driving actually.  Anyways, I don’t even know why I keep responding to you.  You are anti all gun ownership, so we probably are not going to see anywhere close to the same perspective here.  And, once again, I am very happy that your vote does not count at all in the US.
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
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    took about a half a second to answer this one.  I have not seen or heard a good reason people need semi auto rifles.  I don't hunt but have many friends that love it.  I get their passion.  Still no need for semi automatics.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    PJPOWER said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    What about the children and families suffering. Instead of deer?
    Can’t say that I know anyone that hunts children and families (pretty sure that is banned too).  Are we talking about hunters or ar-15s here?  People keep bringing up hunting, so I’m not sure.  Pretty sure hunting with rifles has caused way less human suffering than driving actually.  Anyways, I don’t even know why I keep responding to you.  You are anti all gun ownership, so we probably are not going to see anywhere close to the same perspective here.  And, once again, I am very happy that your vote does not count at all in the US.
    As you keep saying this isn't about hunting. And i know who hunts children. That guy in florida and all the other guys shooting up schools. Keep your eyes tightly closed and you won't see the blood of those children. Its got nothing to do with my vote. Its just wrong . Tell me about the rest of the world and how they buy guns at the store and ammo then shoot who the fuck they like. Hhmmm . Oh yeah none. Keep pretending you can't see it.


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  • PJPOWER
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    lastexitlondon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    What about the children and families suffering. Instead of deer?
    Can’t say that I know anyone that hunts children and families (pretty sure that is banned too).  Are we talking about hunters or ar-15s here?  People keep bringing up hunting, so I’m not sure.  Pretty sure hunting with rifles has caused way less human suffering than driving actually.  Anyways, I don’t even know why I keep responding to you.  You are anti all gun ownership, so we probably are not going to see anywhere close to the same perspective here.  And, once again, I am very happy that your vote does not count at all in the US.
    As you keep saying this isn't about hunting. And i know who hunts children. That guy in florida and all the other guys shooting up schools. Keep your eyes tightly closed and you won't see the blood of those children. Its got nothing to do with my vote. Its just wrong . Tell me about the rest of the world and how they buy guns at the store and ammo then shoot who the fuck they like. Hhmmm . Oh yeah none. Keep pretending you can't see it.
    I see it, I just have apposing views as to how to address the problem.  The issue of gun ownership is a bit more complicated in the US than your country...keep pretending you cannot see that.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    How do you address it ?


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  • PJPOWER
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    lastexitlondon said:
    How do you address it ?
    I’ll let you sift through the hundreds of pages on the Gun Violence thread for my suggestions.  Don’t have the time today to go through it all.  
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    Well dodged


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    You have time to be on here and reply
    You could just as well say what your solution is? Got all the replies except any that solve the problem. Nice


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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    lastexitlondon said:
    You have time to be on here and reply
    You could just as well say what your solution is? Got all the replies except any that solve the problem. Nice
    I was being nice, but the truth is that I just do not feel like discussing them with you.  Your stance is that you are anti-all guns and you do not have a vote in the US on the subject, so there is really no point in even discussing this topic with you any further.  Complete waste of time...thanks for the offer though.  Have a nice day!
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,892
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    Ignorant. This is a discussion forum
     Farewell


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  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
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    dignin said:
    october22 said:
    No, we should not. 
    Care to elaborate? I'm interested in your perspective.

    (Ok, I went a little nuts with the following, but it's late here and I've had a lot to say on this subject. Please forgive typos and some meandering as I've done no editing. Most of you probably disagree (as does Pearl Jam, apparently), but I respect you guys. Hopefully, you'll see that my opinion is born out of compassion and not some strange affinity for guns or violence.) Here goes...

    I would be happy to, and I appreciate you not insinuating that I support mass murder or any of the other ridiculous and offensive comments I've seen on here with regard to gun owners and people who agree with my position on the second amendment. Neither side of this argument has a monopoly on compassion. On the contrary, my position is born out of compassion.

    To be clear, the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. It's meant for killing. Specifically, it's meant for killing tyrants and the soldiers of a tyrannical government. There are also very specific cases in which it would be deemed appropriate to use a firearm to protect yourself, family, and fellow citizen from imminent deadly harm.

    With that out of the way, I'll share some of my background with you because it's pertinent to how my opinion on gun rights was formed. I'm not a "hillbilly, hunter clinging to his bible and his guns." I'm an atheist from New Jersey who's never hunted in his life. I own no camouflage or american flag clothing, no pick up truck and no tactical gear. I've had my gun beliefs my entire life and have only recently purchased my first firearm. I don't fit the stereotype people have of gun owners and there are millions of people in America just like me. I'm a patriot, and I know people on the other side are as well. My heart breaks from gun violence the same as yours does. I will get to why I support gun rights, including access to AR-15 style rifles, but I ask you to bear with me. The following will largely discuss democide, defined as "the murder of any person or people by their government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder". Such death by government in just the 20th Century alone is estimated at over 262,000,000 world-wide and the best prevention is the rifle.

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

    I was lucky to live in Prague as a young man. The principal of my school was the vice president of the newly independent state of Czech Republic. He and my teachers lived through the Velvet Revolution. It was during this time that I began to study democide. I learned about the German occupation of Czechoslovakia and the Czechoslovakian response after the war. The CZ government, with the support of the British and American governments, expelled millions of ethnic Germans from the country. It is estimated that tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent people guilty of simply speaking German, were killed during this process. Many were ripped out of their homes and shot and thousands were lined up in the street and run over with tanks and trucks. Video of this can be found on youtube. I mention this because it is one of the lesser known atrocities and genocides that took place during the 20th Century. Of course, the horrors of Hitler's crimes are almost indescribable, and I'm sure we're all familiar with most of them. I believe that the so-called "subjugated races" under Nazi rule should have had the right to defend themselves with firearms from those monsters, just as I believe every ethnic German man and woman in post-war Czechoslovakia should have had the right to shoot the bastards ripping them and their children from their homes to face certain death. There are many quotes concerning gun-control attributed to twentieth century dictators that may be dubious, but the following is confirmed true in the book, Hitler’s Table Talk, 1941-1944: Secret Conversations:

    "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police." - Adolf Hitler, 1942  https://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp  

    Continued.... 

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