Plenty of people in Europe aren't shooting up children with semi automatic weapons. Thats the point. 40 odd mass shootings this year which is 2 months old. That is the difference.
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In tradition such as native indians they surly aren't using these weapons?
Maybe, but as we evolve (or devolve it seems these days...) our tools and ways of living do as well. Hunting is still an activity that many choose to partake in because it allows them (per state regulation) to take an animal that they want to eat from the land and not purchased from someone else (corporation, feedlot, local farm or whoever). Do some enjoy killing an animal? Yeah, most definitely, but someone like my father in law puts a lot of thought in to his hunting and does not kill every deer he sees and mostly enjoys watching the wildlife and the peace of mind it can bring to be out in nature. He also thanks the animal for its meat and appreciates the nourishment it provides.
Now, if you want to argue that we have evolved beyond the need to use a gun to hunt for food in contrast to 100 years ago, then that is a relevant point, but I don't think it's accurate to say that hunters should be using a bow and arrow or spear to hunt. There would be a lot more animal suffering and injured game that would escape these types of weapons.
For the record, semi auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and the magazine capacity of all semi-auto guns limited.
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I wish we would all read each others comments with more care here and stop accusing people of saying things they didn't say.
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In tradition such as native indians they surly aren't using these weapons?
Maybe, but as we evolve (or devolve it seems these days...) our tools and ways of living do as well. Hunting is still an activity that many choose to partake in because it allows them (per state regulation) to take an animal that they want to eat from the land and not purchased from someone else (corporation, feedlot, local farm or whoever). Do some enjoy killing an animal? Yeah, most definitely, but someone like my father in law puts a lot of thought in to his hunting and does not kill every deer he sees and mostly enjoys watching the wildlife and the peace of mind it can bring to be out in nature. He also thanks the animal for its meat and appreciates the nourishment it provides.
Now, if you want to argue that we have evolved beyond the need to use a gun to hunt for food in contrast to 100 years ago, then that is a relevant point, but I don't think it's accurate to say that hunters should be using a bow and arrow or spear to hunt. There would be a lot more animal suffering and injured game that would escape these types of weapons.
For the record, semi auto rifles like the AR-15 should be banned and the magazine capacity of all semi-auto guns limited.
Yes. It works for other countries. We in these United States have just be so engrained with the notion of "right to bear arms" that we don't even know a) what that means b) why we needed it in the first place c) what relevance it has 227 years later. We're just all "don't take muh guns its muh ryte" without even giving a fuck about the repercussions. Look, I have guns. I enjoy shooting guns. But if it means the safety of millions of citizens, children especially, is better secured, as well as the decline of misdirected and wasted resources, then I won't miss them if they take them away. Charlton Heston's ghost can go fuck himself in the ass with the barrels for all I care.
I don't believe there is any other country in the world who thinks its ok. Ask yourself why that is. Why no other countries in the whole world allow this and why they don't have the mass shootings daily. Hhmmmm???
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Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
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Yes. It works for other countries. We in these United States have just be so engrained with the notion of "right to bear arms" that we don't even know a) what that means b) why we needed it in the first place c) what relevance it has 227 years later. We're just all "don't take muh guns its muh ryte" without even giving a fuck about the repercussions. Look, I have guns. I enjoy shooting guns. But if it means the safety of millions of citizens, children especially, is better secured, as well as the decline of misdirected and wasted resources, then I won't miss them if they take them away. Charlton Heston's ghost can go fuck himself in the ass with the barrels for all I care.
Thank goodness there are people like you that can see sense. I fear there will never be enough of like-minded people to make changes in the US. Coming from the UK, the US situation is just beyond comprehension. The sad thing Is, this debate will rumble on, until the next time some f**cked up individual shoots a load more kids at school. And so history will repeat itself, over and over, as we'e already seen.
Yes. It works for other countries. We in these United States have just be so engrained with the notion of "right to bear arms" that we don't even know a) what that means b) why we needed it in the first place c) what relevance it has 227 years later. We're just all "don't take muh guns its muh ryte" without even giving a fuck about the repercussions. Look, I have guns. I enjoy shooting guns. But if it means the safety of millions of citizens, children especially, is better secured, as well as the decline of misdirected and wasted resources, then I won't miss them if they take them away. Charlton Heston's ghost can go fuck himself in the ass with the barrels for all I care.
Thank goodness there are people like you that can see sense. I fear there will never be enough of like-minded people to make changes in the US. Coming from the UK, the US situation is just beyond comprehension. The sad thing Is, this debate will rumble on, until the next time some f**cked up individual shoots a load more kids at school. And so history will repeat itself, over and over, as we'e already seen.
You mean, until some “responsible” gun owner with a legally purchased gun has a bad day or two and takes it out on innocent school, concert, nightclub, eatery, postal facility, etc. attendees.
Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
This is what i said and the gun nuts were all over it. But this is what i was saying
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Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
The right's hypocrisy on this issue stinks to high heavens. Bans can't stop people from doing what they want like getting guns and killing people so there's no reason to ban them. On the other hand, let's ban abortion, marijuana, same-sex marriage, Islam, and people from Islamic countries, because those bans will work somehow.
The right's hypocrisy on this issue stinks to high heavens. Bans can't stop people from doing what they want like getting guns and killing people so there's no reason to ban them. On the other hand, let's ban abortion, marijuana, same-sex marriage, Islam, and people from Islamic countries, because those bans will work somehow.
Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
Wow, so many professional hunters around here. Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time. Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.
Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
Wow, so many professional hunters around here. Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time. Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.
Real hunting and real skill comes from bow hunting. Any stooge can shoot a gun and kill a deer from 150 yards while he's eating from a pile of corn you left out for him. But stalk a deer and being forced to take a shot from 25-30 yards is real skill. Anyone that claims to need an anything more than a shotgun to hunt with shouldn't be hunting.
Wow, so many professional hunters around here. Tell me more about your superior hunting skills...lol I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time. Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.
i think you are smart enough to get the point.
Oh I do, I totally do.....people hate all guns...noted. Since you guys keep bringing up hunting...in my experience, the deer suffer way less when harvested by a .308 than when hit by an arrow. And, for me, it is way more about the harvest and meat than the “skill”. Either way, even the laziest hunter exercises more skill that driving to the supermarket to buy meat that someone else killed.
Will Walmart follow suit? Or have they already? I heard that 3% of gun owners own 50% of the guns, with the average being 17 per. Don’t know if it’s true as I heard it on my morning drive. That 3% have pretty big houses.
Will Walmart follow suit? Or have they already? I heard that 3% of gun owners own 50% of the guns, with the average being 17 per. Don’t know if it’s true as I heard it on my morning drive. That 3% have pretty big houses.
Yeah, I do not really know how that number could really be ascertained. Most gun owners I know probably would flat out disregard or lie on any survey inquiring about gun ownership and are actually pretty private about what they own in general. And I’m not sure I have ever seen ar-15s at Wal-Marts (and i’m In TX). Not to say that is definitive proof (and truthfully, I hardly ever go to Wal-Fart). Regardless, I’m perfectly fine with a store choosing not to sell firearms or certain types of firearms or anything else for that matter.
What about the children and families suffering. Instead of deer?
Can’t say that I know anyone that hunts children and families (pretty sure that is banned too). Are we talking about hunters or ar-15s here? People keep bringing up hunting, so I’m not sure. Pretty sure hunting with rifles has caused way less human suffering than driving actually. Anyways, I don’t even know why I keep responding to you. You are anti all gun ownership, so we probably are not going to see anywhere close to the same perspective here. And, once again, I am very happy that your vote does not count at all in the US.
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Now, if you want to argue that we have evolved beyond the need to use a gun to hunt for food in contrast to 100 years ago, then that is a relevant point, but I don't think it's accurate to say that hunters should be using a bow and arrow or spear to hunt. There would be a lot more animal suffering and injured game that would escape these types of weapons.
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We in these United States have just be so engrained with the notion of "right to bear arms" that we don't even know a) what that means b) why we needed it in the first place c) what relevance it has 227 years later. We're just all "don't take muh guns its muh ryte" without even giving a fuck about the repercussions.
Look, I have guns. I enjoy shooting guns. But if it means the safety of millions of citizens, children especially, is better secured, as well as the decline of misdirected and wasted resources, then I won't miss them if they take them away. Charlton Heston's ghost can go fuck himself in the ass with the barrels for all I care.
Mass murder is awesome. If you remove such excellent weapons for mass murder... we don't get enough of it. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Bans can't stop people from doing what they want like getting guns and killing people so there's no reason to ban them.
On the other hand, let's ban abortion, marijuana, same-sex marriage, Islam, and people from Islamic countries, because those bans will work somehow.
I thought we were just talking about banning “assault weapons” here, but you guys seem to really counter the “no one wants to ban all guns” phrase that gets thrown around from time to time. Thanks for assisting in undermining the movement by showing your true intentions, VERY much appreciated.
Since you guys keep bringing up hunting...in my experience, the deer suffer way less when harvested by a .308 than when hit by an arrow.
And, for me, it is way more about the harvest and meat than the “skill”. Either way, even the laziest hunter exercises more skill that driving to the supermarket to buy meat that someone else killed.
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And I’m not sure I have ever seen ar-15s at Wal-Marts (and i’m In TX). Not to say that is definitive proof (and truthfully, I hardly ever go to Wal-Fart). Regardless, I’m perfectly fine with a store choosing not to sell firearms or certain types of firearms or anything else for that matter.