Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

OH BOY.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

I'll rephrase: if you think it's so easy to disarm criminals, why hasn't it been done?

mickeyrat

other

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

OH BOY.

internet "facts" strike again. what was the image.on the meme you pulled this from?

Jason P

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

It s amazing how democrats were against the patriot act because it took away some of our constitutional right but in regard to gun control they are ok with taking away your right to due process. And then you can flip it around for the republicans. God I d love a third party!!!

but it's not taking away your constitutional right. no one is taking away guns here.

it's taking away your fifth amendment right of due process. guilty until proven innocent.

that's a stretch.

how s it a stretch? you have a constitutional right to buy a gun. by being on some government "list" you aren't able to buy one even though you aren't guilty of anything. i'm not a big fan of government lists.

I also see that as a problem. The one thing government agencies have in common with our elected officials is that they are not very good at their jobs.

I don't understand why there isn't training and certification required just like a drivers license.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

OH BOY.

internet "facts" strike again. what was the image.on the meme you pulled this from?

huh??

mickeyrat

other

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

OH BOY.

internet "facts" strike again. what was the image.on the meme you pulled this from?

huh??

hes pulling bullshit from fb memes, fox,the nra,brietbart.....

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/#

mcgruff10

No

I love statistics: Further illustrating the small role so-called assault weapons play in crime, FBI data shows that 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind in 2011. In comparison, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives.

rgambs

other

mcgruff10 said:

I love statistics: Further illustrating the small role so-called assault weapons play in crime, FBI data shows that 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind in 2011. In comparison, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives.

I'd like to see you rattle off 2011 stats to the faces of victims of Sandy Hook, Aurora, CO, Orlando, San Bernardino, etc.

You have (what seems to me to be) a near obsessive reverence for world wars and 9/11 but when horrific attacks occur with military style weapons you seem to brush it off pretty easily.

mcgruff10

No

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I love statistics: Further illustrating the small role so-called assault weapons play in crime, FBI data shows that 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind in 2011. In comparison, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives.

I'd like to see you rattle off 2011 stats to the faces of victims of Sandy Hook, Aurora, CO, Orlando, San Bernardino, etc.

You have (what seems to me to be) a near obsessive reverence for world wars and 9/11 but when horrific attacks occur with military style weapons you seem to brush it off pretty easily.

I have been teaching history for 15 years (with a BA in history and education) and world war 2 is my favorite topic to teach. my grandfather landed at utah beach and my uncle worked on p-47's and then was later in the OSS which turned into the CIA. So yeah I think it's a fascinating topic. To me it's a time period where it really was good vs. evil. I also teach holocaust/genocide for over a month in an effort to teach empathy to 100 8th graders a year.

I don't ever recall being obsessed with 9/11 but it was probably one of the worst days in American history. Like many other americans I lost some friends that day and eventually backed afghanistan but couldn't get behind Iraq. Again for the past 15 years I've been teaching about that day to my classes.

I don't brush off horrific attacks with "assault" weapons at all, I merely showed statistics and counter arguments to keep these weapons in the hands of law abiding citizens. I showed the 2011 statistics to show people that rifles aren't really the problem out there. You figure there have been let's say ten (which is high) instances where an ar-15 type weapon was used in a "massacre". There are anywhere from 3 to 6 million ar-15's in the hands of americans; that means literally (if you use 3 million as your number which is way low) 99.99999999% of those weapons were not used in these horrible massacres that the news media spins 24 hours a day.

Again I'm for any sort of background check you want to give me, just don't ban anything. To me an ar-15 is a weapon that you can defend your family with just in case something horrific happens. Without going into detail I had a threat against my family so obviously I feel very strongly about this topic.

Finally, I'm a father of five kids so don't tell me what I brush off pretty easily. I couldn't imagine what those parents in newtown went through. To lose a kid is the ultimate nightmare for a parent.

pjhawks

Yes

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

i can't imagine living in the crazy delusional world that your mind clearly occupies.

Godfather.

No

Stickman12 said:

The principle of the outdated 2nd Ammendment is what lead to this countries independence.

thumbs up

Godfather.

Godfather.

No

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

i can't imagine living in the crazy delusional world that your mind clearly occupies.

yeah...for me it's not easy living among the sheep, folks like yourself who will give up any freedoms necessary....talk about delusional worlds.

Godfather.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

Godfather. said:

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

i can't imagine living in the crazy delusional world that your mind clearly occupies.

yeah...for me it's not easy living among the sheep, folks like yourself who will give up any freedoms necessary....talk about delusional worlds.

Godfather.

that doesn't even make sense. generally referring to someone as a "sheep" is because they follow the status quo out of fear and/or ignorance and/or absence of individual thought. which is what you want.

Godfather.

No

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

i can't imagine living in the crazy delusional world that your mind clearly occupies.

yeah...for me it's not easy living among the sheep, folks like yourself who will give up any freedoms necessary....talk about delusional worlds.

Godfather.

that doesn't even make sense. generally referring to someone as a "sheep" is because they follow the status quo out of fear and/or ignorance and/or absence of individual thought. which is what you want.

well then dam-it......all the sheep get in line and follow me !!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

Yes

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

OH BOY.

internet "facts" strike again. what was the image.on the meme you pulled this from?

huh??

hes pulling bullshit from fb memes, fox,the nra,brietbart.....

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/#

Joe the plumber is still a thing? Wtf?

pjhawks

Yes

Godfather. said:

pjhawks said:

Godfather. said:

who said I was against disarming criminals ?
Hitler wiped thousands with gas after he disarmed them, I'm not comparing Obama or Hillary to Hitler but I am pointing out that guns were confiscated before the hell that came.

Godfather.

i can't imagine living in the crazy delusional world that your mind clearly occupies.

yeah...for me it's not easy living among the sheep, folks like yourself who will give up any freedoms necessary....talk about delusional worlds.

Godfather.

ironic coming from the guy who wants to take away the freedom of millions of people living in the US already because of their religious affiliation.

and can you tell me what freedom of yours has been taken away recently or even in the last 8 years? what can't you do today that you couldn't do 8 years ago (other than maybe discriminate against LGBT people)?

mickeyrat

other

Godfather. said:

Stickman12 said:

The principle of the outdated 2nd Ammendment is what lead to this countries independence.

thumbs up

Godfather.

The principle of a partially implemented and incorrectly interpreted 2nd amendment is what led to the violence we see today.

Scalias majority opinion totally disregards the opening words of the 2nd.

Stickman12

No

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

Stickman12 said:

The principle of the outdated 2nd Ammendment is what lead to this countries independence.

thumbs up

Godfather.

The principle of a partially implemented and incorrectly interpreted 2nd amendment is what led to the violence we see today.

Scalias majority opinion totally disregards the opening words of the 2nd.

Violence was here before the second amendment and would still be here if there were not a second amendment. The second amendment never caused any violence. People using free will cause violence.

Godfather.

No

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

Stickman12 said:

The principle of the outdated 2nd Ammendment is what lead to this countries independence.

thumbs up

Godfather.

The principle of a partially implemented and incorrectly interpreted 2nd amendment is what led to the violence we see today.

Scalias majority opinion totally disregards the opening words of the 2nd.

bullshit.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

other

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

Godfather. said:

Stickman12 said:

The principle of the outdated 2nd Ammendment is what lead to this countries independence.

thumbs up

Godfather.

The principle of a partially implemented and incorrectly interpreted 2nd amendment is what led to the violence we see today.

Scalias majority opinion totally disregards the opening words of the 2nd.

bullshit.

Godfather.

no, Scalia totally disregarding the first part of the second is whats bullshit.