Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    No
    callen said:

    PJPOWER said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    By the original posters definition, "assault weapon" is a term some use to describe some guns with certain features. It is neither a definition nor a name. It is a "Term" that I believe has become politicized.
    Arguing semantics? We all know what an assault weapon is.
    assault is an action, not an object right ?

    Godfather.

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,367
    edited June 2016
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    Godfather. said:

    callen said:

    PJPOWER said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    By the original posters definition, "assault weapon" is a term some use to describe some guns with certain features. It is neither a definition nor a name. It is a "Term" that I believe has become politicized.
    Arguing semantics? We all know what an assault weapon is.
    assault is an action, not an object right ?

    Godfather.

    can also be an noun GF. then again with your grammar here , its clear english isnt your strong suit.

    definition of assault
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault

    definition of assault rifle
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault rifle
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Yes
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    automatic weapons are already illegal in the usa.
    Apparently they are legal. They are just highly regulated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM
    very true and expensive as hell. Not to many people are going to drop 30K on a gun.
    that's what happens as well when you make something illegal (drugs exclude). the price increases exponentially, narrowing the field immensely for who can afford to get one.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    automatic weapons are already illegal in the usa.
    Apparently they are legal. They are just highly regulated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM
    very true and expensive as hell. Not to many people are going to drop 30K on a gun.
    that's what happens as well when you make something illegal (drugs exclude). the price increases exponentially, narrowing the field immensely for who can afford to get one.
    Or you create a black market where dangerous people exchange them with other dangerous people. Or they come up with technologies to sidestep the laws... Prohibition in general leads to a lot of other problems. That has been exemplified time after time. I'm not sure there is a perfect solution to some of these problems that we are having, but I do feel like the magnifying glass keeps getting pointed in the wrong places.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    automatic weapons are already illegal in the usa.
    Apparently they are legal. They are just highly regulated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM
    very true and expensive as hell. Not to many people are going to drop 30K on a gun.
    that's what happens as well when you make something illegal (drugs exclude). the price increases exponentially, narrowing the field immensely for who can afford to get one.
    Or you create a black market where dangerous people exchange them with other dangerous people. Or they come up with technologies to sidestep the laws... Prohibition in general leads to a lot of other problems. That has been exemplified time after time. I'm not sure there is a perfect solution to some of these problems that we are having, but I do feel like the magnifying glass keeps getting pointed in the wrong places.
    yes, you do create a black market. as awful as this sounds, drug cartels aren't the ones going around shooting up schools. they shoot each other. kinda like gangs in my city. very very miniscule amount of innocent lives have been affected by them offing each other.

    yes, it is a very complex problem with many different causes. i don't believe it's just a gun problem. I don't believe it's just a mental health problem. I don't believe it's just a poverty problem. the US is the perfect storm, unfortunately.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Yes
    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    No
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    I agree, but what is to stop the government from putting you on a watch list ?
    like say for instance I am a gun collector and own several guns of many types and the police come to my home for any reason and find that I own a lot of guns and report it to the fed's ? think they might put me on a watch list ? even though I have no criminal record ?
    I agree with you 100% but I think that a lot of gun owners see the making of a loop hole in the back ground check laws.

    Godfather.

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJPOWER said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    front spacer said:

    "Assault" weapons by their very name and definition should not be available!

    Say what you will about hunting or guns for self-defense, but automatic and semi-automatic weapons is at least a place to start in creating additional laws.

    automatic weapons are already illegal in the usa.
    Apparently they are legal. They are just highly regulated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM
    very true and expensive as hell. Not to many people are going to drop 30K on a gun.
    that's what happens as well when you make something illegal (drugs exclude). the price increases exponentially, narrowing the field immensely for who can afford to get one.
    Or you create a black market where dangerous people exchange them with other dangerous people. Or they come up with technologies to sidestep the laws... Prohibition in general leads to a lot of other problems. That has been exemplified time after time. I'm not sure there is a perfect solution to some of these problems that we are having, but I do feel like the magnifying glass keeps getting pointed in the wrong places.
    yes, you do create a black market. as awful as this sounds, drug cartels aren't the ones going around shooting up schools. they shoot each other. kinda like gangs in my city. very very miniscule amount of innocent lives have been affected by them offing each other.

    yes, it is a very complex problem with many different causes. i don't believe it's just a gun problem. I don't believe it's just a mental health problem. I don't believe it's just a poverty problem. the US is the perfect storm, unfortunately.
    I like your first passage. I don't give a shit about some gangster having an assault rifle preparing himself against other gangs. I care about the f**king ticking time bomb having the assault rifle he won from the Denny's claw machine, stroking himself, salivating, and preparing for mass murder at the mall where my kid is having a piece of pizza with her friends.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    Lol, this made me gut laugh. So true though! Not to derail, but it makes me want to face palm every time I see a news article about tourists getting attacked by buffalo/moose/elk in Yellowstone because they tried to get a close up picture of a wild animal with their cell phone. Banning cell phone cameras, in opposition to my previous prohibition argument, might actually make life better for everyone, haha :)
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    that' s funny as hell!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Yes
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    I thought the plural of moose was moose. or is it meese?
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    I thought the plural of moose was moose. or is it meese?
    Just keeping things simple for Scruffy.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    I thought the plural of moose was moose. or is it meese?
    Just keeping things simple for Scruffy.
    I do thank you for that!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    Lol, this made me gut laugh. So true though! Not to derail, but it makes me want to face palm every time I see a news article about tourists getting attacked by buffalo/moose/elk in Yellowstone because they tried to get a close up picture of a wild animal with their cell phone. Banning cell phone cameras, in opposition to my previous prohibition argument, might actually make life better for everyone, haha :)
    It truly is incredible how people disrespect nature all the time. Have you ever seen that video of the deer beating the shit out of that guy who sprayed deer scent all over himself? Freaking hilarious.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
    other
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    Lol, this made me gut laugh. So true though! Not to derail, but it makes me want to face palm every time I see a news article about tourists getting attacked by buffalo/moose/elk in Yellowstone because they tried to get a close up picture of a wild animal with their cell phone. Banning cell phone cameras, in opposition to my previous prohibition argument, might actually make life better for everyone, haha :)
    It truly is incredible how people disrespect nature all the time. Have you ever seen that video of the deer beating the shit out of that guy who sprayed deer scent all over himself? Freaking hilarious.
    Yeah, saw one the other day of a lady getting knocked back about 20 feet after an elk charges her because she was trying to get the perfect picture with her phone. We should start a thread devoted to videos of people acting stupid and getting their asses handed to them by nature.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    it's a slipper slope bud. While I agree that no one on an fbi watch list should buy a gun you have due process in this country.
    Gawd I hate those slipper slopes.

    In Canada, we have banned slipper slopes because American visitors kept sliding down them while trying to take selfies with mooses.
    Lol, this made me gut laugh. So true though! Not to derail, but it makes me want to face palm every time I see a news article about tourists getting attacked by buffalo/moose/elk in Yellowstone because they tried to get a close up picture of a wild animal with their cell phone. Banning cell phone cameras, in opposition to my previous prohibition argument, might actually make life better for everyone, haha :)
    It truly is incredible how people disrespect nature all the time. Have you ever seen that video of the deer beating the shit out of that guy who sprayed deer scent all over himself? Freaking hilarious.
    Yeah, saw one the other day of a lady getting knocked back about 20 feet after an elk charges her because she was trying to get the perfect picture with her phone. We should start a thread devoted to videos of people acting stupid and getting their asses handed to them by nature.
    wasn't there a darwin award thread?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Michael Moore himself highlighted how people in canada own guns and don't tend to shoot each other or go into bars and open fire. I can't understand someone's interest in "assault" rifles, but I also can't understand anyone's desire to watch nascar or beauty pageants. so I won't judge that part. but this shit about being on an FBI watch list and being able to buy a gun is atrocious.

    I would agree anyone on a watch list shouldn't buy a gun, but I imagine its more complicated than that. It would be difficult to deny someone's constitutional right without some sort of due process. Most if not nearly all on the watch list haven't been charged with anything, and I imagine that complicates the process.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited June 2016
    Yes
    But it's not a constitutional right to just buy guns without any restrictions. There isn't any point to due process if the due process comes after the purchase. And as far as I can tell, the Patriot Act makes it perfectly legal for people on a watch list to be restricted from buying firearms. It's legal to prevent someone on a watch list from getting on a plane, and most people, especially Republicans, seems pretty comfortable with that... yet when it comes to buying guns they seem to change their tune. It's pretty weird.
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