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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-paul-ryan-poverty-plan-227207

    Bipartisan in fact
    Yeah, I noticed that. Not long from now, when they fully merge, it will be the new unipartisan vs everybody else.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    Well said, Sir.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-paul-ryan-poverty-plan-227207

    Bipartisan in fact
    Yeah, I noticed that. Not long from now, when they fully merge, it will be the new unipartisan vs everybody else.
    That's an interesting take on working together, particularly when you complimented the plan.
  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-paul-ryan-poverty-plan-227207

    Bipartisan in fact
    Yeah, I noticed that. Not long from now, when they fully merge, it will be the new unipartisan vs everybody else.
    That's an interesting take on working together, particularly when you complimented the plan.
    It sounds good on the surface but, well, also just typical of my distrust of the Demopublican coalition, so to speak. I find myself further and further outside that box.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    fife said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.

    I don't know what ideas he had to actually address poverty. His ideas were focused on the middle class.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    fife said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Im sorry to tell you this but Bernie would not have made a difference for those living in poverty. In your political system, the president in 1 part of thr process. Bernie would need the house and congress to pass the things he wanted. Bernie ideas were great but lets not pretend that many of them would have been passed with the way the congress and the house were.

    No, that's OK, I get it. I don't think the president should be directly responsible for doing much of anything by himself. One person do all that? No. What many seem either to not know about Bernie or to have forgotten is that he didn't want to become a dictator or rule with an iron fist or make all the decisions. What he's been trying to achieve is having a better informed public, a citizenry that becomes educated about issues and involved in moving us in the direction of a more balance society and that is what would help ease poverty and a host of other issues that plague this country and this world. Rather than call all the shots, he would be a guide, our compass, our rudder and we row like hell and try to make progress. Bernie is not perfect but he is more about us as a whole that you will find in most other high level politicians.

    But you have to be an idealist to accept these notions and idealism is not very popular these days. Hi ho.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Boxes&Books
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    not trying to stir the pot here. I thought this was a little interesting.

    http://americanintelligencereport.com/shocking-almost-nobody-for-hillary-at-wisconsin-rally
  • brianlux
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    tonifig8 said:

    not trying to stir the pot here. I thought this was a little interesting.

    http://americanintelligencereport.com/shocking-almost-nobody-for-hillary-at-wisconsin-rally

    At one point during Bernie’s speech someone yelled out, “vote third party.”

    Out here in California I'd say right on. But in a swing state like Wisconsin? Maybe not such a good idea.

    And the low turn out- multiple reasons for that.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Boxes&Books
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    Here you go Bernie

    HRC Speeches to Wall Street
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927
  • My watch says half past lost. Yup, Bernie lost. The Queen has been anointed.
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  • brianlux
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    My watch says half past lost. Yup, Bernie lost. The Queen has been anointed.

    H2M, don't make me post that Sex Pistols song again! :wink:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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  • Free
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    http://embols.com/2016/10/01/apparently-bernie-is-registered-as-a-write-in-in-nearly-all-states/

    Apparently Bernie IS registered as a write-in in nearly all states
  • Free
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    A long shot, of course, still worth reading. If you want to discuss but not read the articles.....
  • What's Bernie's response to this idea? Has anyone asked him if he would serve, provided the scenario plays out?
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  • Free
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    Leaked Hillary Clinton Emails: Could Bernie Sanders Have Won Primary If Leak Occurred Earlier?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16700
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,675
    Free said:

    Leaked Hillary Clinton Emails: Could Bernie Sanders Have Won Primary If Leak Occurred Earlier?

    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16700

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  • JimmyV
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    How many Democrats would have changed their primary vote if the hacked emails were released earlier? No way to know for sure but I haven't seen many claiming they would have so far.
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