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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Eh. Still not afraid of a narcissistic clown.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Free said:

    Eh. Still not afraid of a narcissistic clown.

    I'm not either but I'm always reminded that gwb won reelection and realize that shit happens.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    Eh. Still not afraid of a narcissistic clown.

    Why not?
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • fife
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There are a LOT of homeless people in Vancouver and Victoria because it's the only place in Canada that is consistently warm enough in the winters... and I will say that it looks like fucking living hell, and about 65% of them have mental illness. I see no need to compare the poverty stricken people in North America to the poverty stricken people elsewhere because i prefer not to use rock bottom as my measuring stick. That there is any poverty at all in North America is disgusting, let alone homelessness among the mentally ill. Hard working people with families still live in poverty in North America, and that is unacceptable ... so now it's time to turn our attention to how shockingly extreme the uneven distribution of wealth is in our society. It's disgusting.

    Yet the candidate everyone wants us to vote for is the one who doesn't give a shit about the homeless, the struggling to make a living wage, the lower middle class even.
    Neither of the viable candidates do. Nothing to do about that now. You have to wait until the next election. For now, just keeping Trump out of office is the best case scenario.
    Just to be postive, I will say that there are things that can be done and that is demanding that things change. Demand that local government do something to change the lives of the poor and lower middle class and if they don't then run for local office. Volunteer for non profits that works with the poor. While yes it won't solve everything it a start and we need people for this
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    I vote with my values, I will never vote for Hillary Who represents corruption, the 1%, Wall St., and mostly, against the people.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    No one says anything because it's a provocative statement. What did Bernie pledge to do for the poor in this country that is diametrically opposed to Hillary's positions?
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.

    Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    fife said:

    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.

    Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
    Ok. But I am a registered Independent and that's what I meant. Sure some Independents are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Free said:

    fife said:

    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.

    Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
    Ok. But I am a registered independent and that's what I meant. Sure some independence are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
    For me, politicians need to be more honest with the people but the people also have to accept that they will not like everything that they are told.

    For example, during the debate the question was asked what they were going to bring the job back from overseas and I wish someone said that those jobs are not coming back cause they aren't but could you imagne if anyone said that?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    fife said:

    Free said:

    fife said:

    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.

    Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
    Ok. But I am a registered independent and that's what I meant. Sure some independence are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
    For me, politicians need to be more honest with the people but the people also have to accept that they will not like everything that they are told.

    For example, during the debate the question was asked what they were going to bring the job back from overseas and I wish someone said that those jobs are not coming back cause they aren't but could you imagne if anyone said that?
    The first paragraph - true. The jobs aren't coming back from overseas because it is a loophole that there is a tax break for any company who outsources jobs. Every few years the bill gets reexamined and every time the Republicans reject it.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    fife said:

    Free said:

    Eh. Still not afraid of a narcissistic clown.

    I'm not either but I'm always reminded that gwb won reelection and realize that shit happens.
    In 2000, Gore won the popular vote, yet when the media raced to announce the winner, they proclaimed GWB the winner. It's rigged. It's one of the reasons why I don't buy the fear factor.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    fife said:

    Free said:

    fife said:

    Free said:

    Funny how you mention those less fortunate and barely able to make ends meet, those that Hillery does not support, and there's nothing but silence.

    But mention that you're not voting for Hillary and you get people after you. Again, I am independent, and the fear of a ridiculous Trump presidency does not scare me. Most third-party people don't buy into the scare tactics, they don't buy that we have to vote the lesser of two evils. We are independent thinkers, that's the point.

    Just a tip, don't assume that people voting for hillary are not independent thinkers. When you do that, you are attacking people the same way that they are attacking you. Also, to be honest, I have never heard any person running for president ever talk about homeless people and that includes Bernie.

    Politicians always talk about the middle class, cause most Americans believe that they are middle class even if they r not
    Ok. But I am a registered independent and that's what I meant. Sure some independence are voting for Hillary and that's their prerogative, their choice. I am just trying to describe that I think differently than bipartisan thinkers.
    For me, politicians need to be more honest with the people but the people also have to accept that they will not like everything that they are told.

    For example, during the debate the question was asked what they were going to bring the job back from overseas and I wish someone said that those jobs are not coming back cause they aren't but could you imagne if anyone said that?
    Bruce told us so in Hometown... He was honest about it. Labor is always going to chase the cheapest market. That's just a fact.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Agreed, Brian.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited September 2016
    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?

    Because if my memory serves me correct, Hillary was very on board with Clyburn's 10/20/30 plan several months ago. Did Bernie have an alternate one? I'm asking because I don't remember it.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    This discussion about the poor has gotten a bit convoluted so excuse me if I don't respond directly to anyone's statements here.

    If we are going to talk about the poor in America I think we would do well to look at it from the perspective of this nations resources and wealth. Relative to the resources and wealth that exist in this country, there is very little if any reason anyone should be suffering here and there are, indeed, poverty stricken people here who are suffering.

    It's too bad Bernie got voted out because, well, just think about the difference he would have made for those here living in poverty compared to what those other two would do.

    Can you please distinguish Bernie's plan for the poor and indigent compared to Hillary's? Please?
    It's not that simple. Not at all a simple a/b/c plan. Has more to do with caring about the average person, a more equitable and fair nation rather than being a tool for wealthy corporations. Night and day. But I'm guessing you already knew all that so I'll apologize in advance for not fully satisfying your request.
    No. Clyburn and Clinton actually have a plan. It's called 10/20/30. It's a real chance to lift people out of poverty, not just rhetoric, sympathy and empathy.

    https://clyburn.house.gov/10-20-30-amendment
    I don't see Hillary mentioned anywhere there but from what is says there, it seems like a good plan. I still think Bernie would have helped build a more equitable society but moot point. H's out of the running. I just like it that he seemed to really care. Hillary and Trump only seem to care about saying whatever it takes to get elected, carry on with status quo, on and on, the slow wreckage, yeah that's how I see it.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-paul-ryan-poverty-plan-227207

    Bipartisan in fact

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