Bernie Sanders
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I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.0 -
I'll add with all the barriers to entry for an independent run, he prob had no choice but to run as a Dem.0
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The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.0 -
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Voting for a third party candidate (I'm voting for Jill Stein, for example) in a non-swing state makes a lot of sense. It allow some to say "I don't agree with either of those two!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Let the people vote as they wish, is what I say. Everyone deserves to vote who they feel is right, and that goes for all voters and all candidates.benjs said:
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.0 -
Oh but Free, in some parts you will get fried for that! The arrogance of following your most honest beliefs! You will get castigated viciously for that!Free said:
Let the people vote as they wish, is what I say. Everyone deserves to vote who they feel is right, and that goes for all voters and all candidates.benjs said:
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yep!brianlux said:
Oh but Free, in some parts you will get fried for that! The arrogance of following your most honest beliefs! You will get castigated viciously for that!Free said:
Let the people vote as they wish, is what I say. Everyone deserves to vote who they feel is right, and that goes for all voters and all candidates.benjs said:
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.
Because being truly free to make up our own minds is wrong according to status quo, establishment corporatist America. 0 -
Ah, but you're also free to give shit to people here who may see things differently than you.
On a regular basis.
Accompanied by a and followed up with ever-endearing "don't attack me".
*cue Undone*
Can't wait for election day!
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Yeah, snarkiness and insisting on dividing and fighting really puts people right where they are.hedonist said:Ah, but you're also free to give shit to people here who may see things differently than you.
On a regular basis.
Accompanied by a and followed up with ever-endearing "don't attack me".
*cue Undone*
Can't wait for election day!
And "free to give shit to others" is not following rules.0 -
Hahaha unless they voted for Clinton in the primary...or the general lolFree said:
Let the people vote as they wish, is what I say. Everyone deserves to vote who they feel is right, and that goes for all voters and all candidates.benjs said:
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.
then you have plenty to say about that!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
And NOWHERE in my post warranted this response.hedonist said:Ah, but you're also free to give shit to people here who may see things differently than you.
On a regular basis.
Accompanied by a and followed up with ever-endearing "don't attack me".
*cue Undone*
Can't wait for election day!0 -
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/297876-green-party-nominee-escorted-off-debate-premises
Green Party nominee escorted off debate premises
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Pretty sure if you look through your history of posts and how you've treated/spoken down to/laughed at many people in this forum, you might see where this was coming from.Free said:
And NOWHERE in my post warranted this response.hedonist said:Ah, but you're also free to give shit to people here who may see things differently than you.
On a regular basis.
Accompanied by a and followed up with ever-endearing "don't attack me".
*cue Undone*
Can't wait for election day!
If not, not.
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Pretty. Esp, the taunting part.
Back to Bernie.
Sanders Brought The Real Talk During The First Presidential Debate
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57e9abede4b024a52d29e702
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fear politics!?benjs said:
Unfortunately, when one candidate would be such an unmitigated disaster, and the other somehow still struggles to get votes, yes, being a third party candidate to take votes from Clinton is a morally reprehensible decision. It's equally morally reprehensible in my eyes for the Republicans to have permitted Trump with as much support as they did.JC29856 said:
Logical...3rd parties run so someone else doesn't win. Makes sense.rgambs said:
The reason is simple, Bernie is smart enough to know that going 3rd party would have literally guaranteed a Trump Presidency.JC29856 said:
I don't wonder and I don't call it pressured, I would say threatened. Not necessarily physical harm which I wouldn't rule out but threatened politically and his career. I'm sure he will get some figure head position in Hillary's administration after she winsFree said:
You don't wonder if he was pressured to endorse her? An ultimatum placed? He did a 180 on his supporters. It doesn't make sense.JC29856 said:All Bernie had to do was accept the green party and stein invitation to replace her on the ticket and we would have seen him in the debates tonight as I'm certain he would have garnered 15% support. He could have continued his revolution but instead he endorses Hilliary. What more could the guy ask for after getting cheated in Dem primary?
He prob did agree in advance, as a condition to being allowed to run as a Dem, to take his beating and go home but all agreements are off when they cheated him.
Look Bernie knew full well what he was getting himself into, he chose to run as a Dem, which is understandable given how uneven the playing field is, although I think that was his first mistake, if he truly sought the presidency.
people do not know what they do not know ... a trump presidency can be hypothesized but no one really knows what it would look like ... continuing to run with establishment candidates that perpetuate the will of corporations is the crux of the problem ... I don't know if trump will serve that same establishment, probably but at the end of the day - there is nothing to say he would be any more of a disaster than say rob ford was in toronto ...
like colin kaepernick said ... voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil ...0 -
Lowering corporate taxes by 35% is a big part of the definition of perpetuating the will of corporations, no?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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i believe he wants to lower it 20% from 35% to 15% ... either way - that's why I said he probably will serve the establishment ... in any case - ultimately, one has to ask if the status quo is acceptable ... my values dictate that answer is a firm no ... so, really - the only way to contribute to real change is to not continue this cycle of voting for the lesser of evils ...PJ_Soul said:Lowering corporate taxes by 35% is a big part of the definition of perpetuating the will of corporations, no?
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Ah yes, thank you. I thought it was said a 35% lowering during the debate (which of course shocked the hell out of me, lol), but yeah, looks like he wants to lower it from over 39% to 25%. There is no economic plan/theory that I disagree with less than trickle-down. I can't believe that there are people who think the guy is going to 'fight for regular people'.polaris_x said:
i believe he wants to lower it 20% from 35% to 15% ... either way - that's why I said he probably will serve the establishment ... in any case - ultimately, one has to ask if the status quo is acceptable ... my values dictate that answer is a firm no ... so, really - the only way to contribute to real change is to not continue this cycle of voting for the lesser of evils ...PJ_Soul said:Lowering corporate taxes by 35% is a big part of the definition of perpetuating the will of corporations, no?
Well any way, this is the Bernie thread.... I miss Bernie.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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