Revenge of the BOTS...Reason why PJ, The Hip and other tickets are hard to get...
The Todd Shaperio Show. Robert from Ticket Partners explains quite candidly why you can't get Tragically Hip Tickets on The Todd Shapiro Show... and you won't like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrC-twSX3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOrC-twSX3g “Been to a few...”
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The fact that these bots are not illegal is the real problem. As corrupt as the Ontario Liberal government is
Toronto - 2009
NYC Night 2 - 2010
Toronto Night 2 - 2011
Music Midtown, Atlanta - 2012
London,ON - 2013
Wrigley Field, Chicago - 2013
Buffalo - 2013
Charlottesville - 2013
Charlotte - 2013
Detroit - 2014
Ottawa - 2016
Toronto Night 1&2 - 2016
Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2016
EV~Dana Point CA - 2016
Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2018
PS - reading the comments on youtube for this video does help a little bit lol
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Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
Mexico City 28/11/15 Chicago 20/08/16 Boston 04/09/2018
Quebec City 05/05/16 Chicago 22/08/16
Ottawa 08/05/16 Taormina 26/06/17
Toronto 10/05/16 Taormina 27/06/17
Toronto 11/05/16 Boston 02/09/2018
Those that can be trusted can change their mind.
This is the caveat that speaks to how truly wrong this situation is.
St.John's 9/25/2005
Toronto 9/11/2011
Toronto 9/12/2011
Quebec City 5/5/2016
Ottawa 5/8/2016
https://theringer.com/ticket-industry-problem-solution-e4b3b71fdff6#.9wyf07xso
The problem starts long before the bots. The bots can only access the scum that's left during the public onsale. It's the stuff that goes on before the public onsale that's even worse.
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Unfortunately
Paperless really does seem to be the solution to cripple the resellers, but I agree, there is so much else that goes on that it won't solve all the problems. It seems the only real solution is legislation that xx% of tickets must go on sale directly to fans. I don't know what that number is and it would obviously have to have exceptions so bands could play private events, etc., but at least according to that article, that's where the big issue is.
1. Go paperless
2. Legislate a minimum % of tickets offered to the public
3. Cripple the bots (this is LOL-easy from a tech perspective if they really wanted to)
4. Legislate a cap on resale fees (and enforce it). Maybe 1.5x of face or something like that. I.e 100 face ticket is capped at 150. This dis-incentivizes the secondary market.
I know there is a strong current that says let the market forces play out, but the problem with that is it's not a true free market when a small number of groups are cornering it. In tainted markets like that legislation is needed to keep control.
The point is that there needs to be a will towards making a change effort. The paying fans would like to see initiatives that stop them from getting gouged on the secondary market, but the secondary market is entrenched without restriction for a reason.
CURRENT LAW
New York State law prohibits engaging “in the business of reselling any tickets to a place of entertainment” within New York State without first procuring “a license.11 Those who resell, offer to resell, or purchase with the intent to resell five or more tickets without a license are guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to penalties.12 Additionally, the law requires that brokers post a $25,000 bond with their license application to ensure compliance with the law’s provisions and cover damages to their customers from any misconduct.13 Brokers that resell tickets online must also display a hyperlink to a copy of their licenses,14 and they must display the face value of tickets along with the resale prices.15
New York State law also makes it illegal for brokers to use Bots to bypass security measures on the websites of ticket vendors, such as Ticketmaster, or to maintain any interest in or control of such Bots.16 Anyone who violates these provisions is subject to penalties and the forfeiture of profits.17
No current federal law specifically prohibits the use of Ticket Bots, but legislation has been proposed that would do so. The Better On-line Ticket Sales Act of 2014 or the BOTS Act, supported by Senator Charles Schumer, would prohibit, as an unfair and deceptive act, the sale or use of Ticket Bots. It would also provide for criminal penalties for those who engage in this conduct.
**All of the footnotes in this excerpt reference N.Y. Arts & Cult. Aff. L. (New York Arts & Cultural Affairs Law) 2010 version.
So on a federal level, the bots are not currently illegal. In my state, they are, so I'm not going in with any of you on the software. I'd suggest everyone check their state's laws to determine if the bots are legal there or not. THAT SAID, NY based brokers still use bots. So. Yea. Until there is any actual enforcement this shit aint gonna stop.
There was a federal bill introduced in 2014 and apparently a new version with the same name BOTS (Better On-Line Ticket Sales) Act 'introduced to the house' and then I don't know what happened. I don't know how laws work though so many someone less ignorant could google it and figure it out. https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5104/all-info
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It's pretty brutal to stand there and watch a scalper buy a ticket from someone for face or even less and then resell it 15 seconds later at a 200% mark up .......... almost hard to blame them for doing it though. It's basically the easiest way to legally make money in the world. I feel more frustrated with the buyers.