Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

brianlux

PardonMe said:

I know that this is almost beside the point, because the conversation hinges on morality, and issues other than bathroom usage. But, the public bathroom layout could use an overhaul anyway. How about, for public restrooms, use full walls with motion detectors (light outside the "stall") to let you know that a stall is occupied to give some sense of safety. Sinks could be shared and no one is exposed. I know that this likely wouldn't work easily for small businesses but, the expense for governments and large establishments shouldn't be significant compared to the current issues.

My wife suggested something similar to this last night. Good idea, PardonMe.

As for small businesses, like many others, my wife's store has one bathroom so of course, all genders use it. Even the store cat's letter box is there. There one bit of segregation however, the co-owner's dog uses the yard behind the store.

mookeywrench

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

It is just a music concert....people are getting refunds. Events risk getting cancelled, buyer beware.

I've had 3.5 shows get cancelled on me in 10 years. One which I made nonrefundable travel accommodations for.

You just got to shrug your shoulders and maybe have a quick vent. Then, find something else to do and move on.

See, I have read that it is just a concert and not a big deal, but if that was true why did it matter if PJ canceled or not? Obviously it was a big deal because it made the news and PJ felt it would be a big deal if they canceled it.

Because Pearl Jam thought the message being spread and the economic impact was bigger than the event itself...which is just a concert.

bootlegger10

mookeywrench said:

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

It is just a music concert....people are getting refunds. Events risk getting cancelled, buyer beware.

I've had 3.5 shows get cancelled on me in 10 years. One which I made nonrefundable travel accommodations for.

You just got to shrug your shoulders and maybe have a quick vent. Then, find something else to do and move on.

See, I have read that it is just a concert and not a big deal, but if that was true why did it matter if PJ canceled or not? Obviously it was a big deal because it made the news and PJ felt it would be a big deal if they canceled it.

Because Pearl Jam thought the message being spread and the economic impact was bigger than the event itself...which is just a concert.

Why would the economic impact mean anything if it wasn't a big deal? There were 15,000 people ready to go to that show. It was a big deal.

jeffwalsh

bootlegger10 said:

I requested a refund for Columbia and have not heard anything back.

As someone who tried to get a refund because I personally wanted to boycott NC even if the band didn't, I am pretty certain they will not be giving you one, based on the communications I had last week.

mookeywrench

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

It is just a music concert....people are getting refunds. Events risk getting cancelled, buyer beware.

I've had 3.5 shows get cancelled on me in 10 years. One which I made nonrefundable travel accommodations for.

You just got to shrug your shoulders and maybe have a quick vent. Then, find something else to do and move on.

See, I have read that it is just a concert and not a big deal, but if that was true why did it matter if PJ canceled or not? Obviously it was a big deal because it made the news and PJ felt it would be a big deal if they canceled it.

Because Pearl Jam thought the message being spread and the economic impact was bigger than the event itself...which is just a concert.

Why would the economic impact mean anything if it wasn't a big deal? There were 15,000 people ready to go to that show. It was a big deal.

The economic impact is a big deal; the event was not a big deal.

bootlegger10

mookeywrench said:

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

bootlegger10 said:

mookeywrench said:

It is just a music concert....people are getting refunds. Events risk getting cancelled, buyer beware.

I've had 3.5 shows get cancelled on me in 10 years. One which I made nonrefundable travel accommodations for.

You just got to shrug your shoulders and maybe have a quick vent. Then, find something else to do and move on.

See, I have read that it is just a concert and not a big deal, but if that was true why did it matter if PJ canceled or not? Obviously it was a big deal because it made the news and PJ felt it would be a big deal if they canceled it.

Because Pearl Jam thought the message being spread and the economic impact was bigger than the event itself...which is just a concert.

Why would the economic impact mean anything if it wasn't a big deal? There were 15,000 people ready to go to that show. It was a big deal.

The economic impact is a big deal; the event was not a big deal.

Because 15,000 people wanted to show (with some traveling long distances) for the helluva it. I get what you are saying though but I think it is a big deal to get 15,000 people to show up.

hedonist

brianlux said:

PardonMe said:

I know that this is almost beside the point, because the conversation hinges on morality, and issues other than bathroom usage. But, the public bathroom layout could use an overhaul anyway. How about, for public restrooms, use full walls with motion detectors (light outside the "stall") to let you know that a stall is occupied to give some sense of safety. Sinks could be shared and no one is exposed. I know that this likely wouldn't work easily for small businesses but, the expense for governments and large establishments shouldn't be significant compared to the current issues.

My wife suggested something similar to this last night. Good idea, PardonMe.

As for small businesses, like many others, my wife's store has one bathroom so of course, all genders use it. Even the store cat's letter box is there. There one bit of segregation however, the co-owner's dog uses the yard behind the store.

Whoa whoa, your cat has a letter box? Address please! I can send her mucho treats.

brianlux

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

PardonMe said:

I know that this is almost beside the point, because the conversation hinges on morality, and issues other than bathroom usage. But, the public bathroom layout could use an overhaul anyway. How about, for public restrooms, use full walls with motion detectors (light outside the "stall") to let you know that a stall is occupied to give some sense of safety. Sinks could be shared and no one is exposed. I know that this likely wouldn't work easily for small businesses but, the expense for governments and large establishments shouldn't be significant compared to the current issues.

My wife suggested something similar to this last night. Good idea, PardonMe.

As for small businesses, like many others, my wife's store has one bathroom so of course, all genders use it. Even the store cat's letter box is there. There one bit of segregation however, the co-owner's dog uses the yard behind the store.

Whoa whoa, your cat has a letter box? Address please! I can send her mucho treats.

Oh but my has it ever been a long day! (Got water at home again at least though!)

59fender

KV4053 said:

25 years and a couple of hiccups along the way. Not a bad track record if you ask me. I'll continue doing business with this organization.

On the other hand, I fired Comcast, Dish Network, Verizon, T-Mobile, Panera Bread, etc.

This made me laugh, love it. Right on! Even though i am typically loyal! Verizon 12 years, Directv 4 years, Honda 15 years(but did also have a Chevy as a secondary vehicle for a few years), Fender guitars about 15 years, I guess I add my wife to this loyalty list as well.

I have fired multiple restaurants, normally to give them a chance again after a few years and regret giving them another chance. Pretty sure I've also fired Myrtle Beach(not my type of vacation). This makes me wanna start a discussion about places/business everyone have fired or been loyal too over the years.

PardonMe

brianlux said:

PardonMe said:

I know that this is almost beside the point, because the conversation hinges on morality, and issues other than bathroom usage. But, the public bathroom layout could use an overhaul anyway. How about, for public restrooms, use full walls with motion detectors (light outside the "stall") to let you know that a stall is occupied to give some sense of safety. Sinks could be shared and no one is exposed. I know that this likely wouldn't work easily for small businesses but, the expense for governments and large establishments shouldn't be significant compared to the current issues.

My wife suggested something similar to this last night. Good idea, PardonMe.

As for small businesses, like many others, my wife's store has one bathroom so of course, all genders use it. Even the store cat's letter box is there. There one bit of segregation however, the co-owner's dog uses the yard behind the store.

Can the dog use the litter box if he or she learns to meow? Joking, of course.

I just don't like to see divisive issues, where everyone is so dug in, that they don't even look for simple solutions. Equality is something that everyone wants and deserves. Unfortunately, it is a slow process to go from point A to point B. Education on the facts, and understanding of the real issues, seems to be the most honest, effective approach, albeit slow. I think that this is where Pearl Jam could have made the biggest difference. I don't know all of the issues that the LGBT community faces and I am not likely to completely understand anytime soon. I am in another minority known as a single father (I say this half-sincerely, not trying to compare the two) and I am too busy, trying to be good at that, to research and understand all of the inequality everywhere else. Pearl Jam had the opportunity, along with the activists in the area, to teach me and many others about the plight of this community. They could have likely activated some new activists, softened some hatred or, at worst, forced some fans of the band to reveal their intolerance and separate from the herd.

Cancelling the show may have helped, but I have to believe that educating 20,000 people, particularly in the South, on the LGBT issues would have had a longer-lasting impact.

ZeldaZonk

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

bgirl59 said:

farfromglorified said:

bgirl59 said:

Dear Tenclub members, here's a friendly reminder, don't take Pearl Jam for granted, when you do, shit happens

Who exactly was "taking Pearl Jam for granted"? The Tenclub members, the vast majority of whom did not vote for this law or these politicians?

I think the band is taking its fans for granted more so than those fans are taking the band for granted.

If you purchased a nonrefundable airline ticket that you can't use ever, to fly there for a Pearl Jam show and nothing else, you took something for granted.

Not really. Not at all actually. You entered into an agreement.

Taking PJ for granted would be electing to not see PJ because you think you can see them some other time.

Well stated.

gettingright

i don't have time to read through every post, but there seems to be a common theme about loss...mostly of money, and some of entertainment/experience. and i wonder about this...loss...what was truly lost with the passage of this law not just for LGBT, but all of us? dignity? rights? respect? humanity? acceptance? tolerance? empathy? understanding?

I can understand disappointment, shit, I'd be bummed, too, but it's only money; it's not your dignity, pride, rights, freedom, or humanity. and, if there were a law to be one day passed that embarrassed and marginalized you, i hope to hell that people will stand up and fight for you.

i am reminded of what some guy once said, "what you do for the least of these brothers and sisters, you do for me."

take the long-view, use the wide angle lens, see the big picture, have a little perspective... it's not all about you, your needs, your loss...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/hear-eddie-vedders-powerful-speech-on-pearl-jams-north-carolina-boycott-20160419

bookerT

In support of Pearl Jam's decision to cancel their appearance in Raleigh, NC, in opposition of HB2, Wishlist Foundation is also cancelling their fan-run fundraiser, originally scheduled for Backyard Bistro on Wednesday, April 20.

In lieu of the preparty fundraiser event, Wishlist Foundation will host an online auction in support of the local beneficiary, NC Sustainable Energy Association (NCSEA). The auction will open Wednesday, April 20 with a poster, signed by Pearl Jam, from the band's 2012 performance at the famed Isle of Wight festival. More auction items will be posted in coming days.

In keeping with Pearl Jam's advocacy of renewable energy, NCSEA was chosen as the Raleigh beneficiary. Fans who would like to support the Herculean efforts by NCSEA are encouraged to do so with direct contributions or by following the Wishlist Foundation and NCSEA on social media for updates on future auction items.

Wishlist Foundation
www.wishlistfoundation.org
North Carolina Sustainable Energy Association
www.energync.org

what dreams

jeffwalsh said:

bootlegger10 said:

I requested a refund for Columbia and have not heard anything back.

As someone who tried to get a refund because I personally wanted to boycott NC even if the band didn't, I am pretty certain they will not be giving you one, based on the communications I had last week.

So you wanted to boycott but they wouldn't give you money back? But then they boycotted? Well, I guess you're getting your money back.

What a bizarre situation this is.

Daron Oshay

http://www.carolinamercury.com/2016/04/mccrory-campaign-fires-back-at-ringo-clooney-springsteen-pearl-jam-and-others/

THIS guy is the reason this happened. This liar and bigot.

Cant even make up a lie that doesn't and a 20 year gap in truth.

Blame him. The bands do. You should to.

ZeldaZonk

Glad that some of the ones burned were able to change their flights and hotels without penalty. I flew from Seattle for the Hampton and Raleigh shows, and Alaska Air while sympathetic to my situation would not allow me to change my return flight without paying fees and difference in airfare. I got stuck having to hang out in VA and NC until my original return date instead of saving two nights of hotel lodging for nothing.

KC2917

Daron Oshay said:

http://www.carolinamercury.com/2016/04/mccrory-campaign-fires-back-at-ringo-clooney-springsteen-pearl-jam-and-others/

THIS guy is the reason this happened. This liar and bigot.

Cant even make up a lie that doesn't and a 20 year gap in truth.

Blame him. The bands do. You should to.

What about that was a lie? I don't have have a dog in this fight and probably know very little about either side of the argument, but what this guy is pointing out seems pretty logical to me. Am I missing something here? How is that not hypocrisy? Someone earlier, presumably backing PJ's decision to cancel the show, said they were merely picking their battles, not being hypocrites. If that is the case, then they sure are selective on when they actually choose to pick up the fight, given all the other opportunities they've had to speak out on this same issue.

InLukinsFridge

gettingright said:

i don't have time to read through every post, but there seems to be a common theme about loss...mostly of money, and some of entertainment/experience. and i wonder about this...loss...what was truly lost with the passage of this law not just for LGBT, but all of us? dignity? rights? respect? humanity? acceptance? tolerance? empathy? understanding?

I can understand disappointment, shit, I'd be bummed, too, but it's only money; it's not your dignity, pride, rights, freedom, or humanity. and, if there were a law to be one day passed that embarrassed and marginalized you, i hope to hell that people will stand up and fight for you.

i am reminded of what some guy once said, "what you do for the least of these brothers and sisters, you do for me."

take the long-view, use the wide angle lens, see the big picture, have a little perspective... it's not all about you, your needs, your loss...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/hear-eddie-vedders-powerful-speech-on-pearl-jams-north-carolina-boycott-20160419

+1 Great post. Thank you.

Daron Oshay

KC2917 said:

Daron Oshay said:

http://www.carolinamercury.com/2016/04/mccrory-campaign-fires-back-at-ringo-clooney-springsteen-pearl-jam-and-others/

THIS guy is the reason this happened. This liar and bigot.

Cant even make up a lie that doesn't and a 20 year gap in truth.

Blame him. The bands do. You should to.

What about that was a lie? I don't have have a dog in this fight and probably know very little about either side of the argument, but what this guy is pointing out seems pretty logical to me. Am I missing something here? How is that not hypocrisy? Someone earlier, presumably backing PJ's decision to cancel the show, said they were merely picking their battles, not being hypocrites. If that is the case, then they sure are selective on when they actually choose to pick up the fight, given all the other opportunities they've had to speak out on this same issue.

They toured Singapore in 1995. Homosexuality was criminalized there in 2014.

ceska

Maybe it's been said, I haven't read the dozens of pages, but of what I have read on here, people are zoning in on the transgender/bathroom issue. The law in question/under protest is far more reaching:
"Does HB2 affect rights of people who aren’t gay or transgender?
Yes. The law limits how people pursue claims of discrimination because of race, religion, color, national origin, biological sex or handicap in state courts. The law also means a city or county cannot set a minimum wage standard for private employers.""
"The language in HB2 makes it more clear that the state does not intend to create a new class of protections based on sexual orientation or identity, and also will not allow cities and counties to create such a protected class."
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article68401147.html"

IE, private businesses can effectively fire staff or not serve customers, based on orientation/race/religion, etc. Yes, let's turn the clock back to 1955, please (/sarcasm).