Polygamy and Sister Wives ?

Godfather.

catefrances said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

hate self flushing toilets... they freak me out... especially when they flush when im not done.

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Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

We have a case in BC that's kind of stinky: Bountiful.

One guy... 25 wives. A brother in law with 4 wives.

They're a sect of the Mormon faith. Lots of kids that think things are cool. There's a case being developed around pedophilia whether something comes of it or not.

The central characters are creepy and the entire scene reeks of wrongfulness. Just as I empathize with women from some middle east countries that are clearly oppressed- claiming things are cool (because they simply do not know of any other way)- I feel badly for these brainwashed women and the children currently in the program.

Adult nudist colonies and swinging lifestyles? No problem. Go f**k your brains out. But polygamy as we know it people? Get f**king serious. Geezuz, man.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We have a case in BC that's kind of stinky: Bountiful.

One guy... 25 wives. A brother in law with 4 wives.

They're a sect of the Mormon faith. Lots of kids that think things are cool. There's a case being developed around pedophilia whether something comes of it or not.

The central characters are creepy and the entire scene reeks of wrongfulness. Just as I empathize with women from some middle east countries that are clearly oppressed- claiming things are cool (because they simply do not know of any other way)- I feel badly for these brainwashed women and the children currently in the program.

Adult nudist colonies and swinging lifestyles? No problem. Go f**k your brains out. But polygamy as we know it people? Get f**king serious. Geezuz, man.

That case is beyond creepy. It's extremely criminal and endangers children. They ship kids down to compounds in Utah sometimes so they can marry older men, in a place where they don't know anyone and they're thrown into these massive polygamist families where all the women and girls are basically slaves. They pull all female children out of school after grade 9 and make them some of them marry and start having babies. Shit like that. The ultimate "leader" of Bountiful is in prison now, isn't he? Down in the US? Like, the grand pooba of that awful Mormon breakaway sect? But yeah, the kind of homebase mayor of Bountiful, Winston Blackwell, is a creeper slimeball too. I hope he gets locked up.

HughFreakingDillon

if it's not abusive in any way, do what makes you happy. I personally couldn't handle it. I get incredibly attached to a woman I've been with. it would be emotionally draining to have more than 1 for me.

HughFreakingDillon

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

I'm not referring to inventions of convenience. What are you using to measure that we've gone backward? And when was our peak?

i'm talking about human rights violations; the power of coporations; the corruption of gov't; bullying; respect for life; racism; discrimination ...

I almost feel as if this is all heading towards one big boiling point.....a global revolution that will take our species to the next plane. or destroy us. one or the other.

callen

hedonist said:

callen said:

See world were there is no marriage and kids don't care how other kids family structure is formed as long as they have emotional support.

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

Word "fanatical" not needed preceding word "religion". Redundant and any parent threatening their children with eternal damnation and make believe characters is child abuse.

Not all people of religion are fanatics.

Well that's subjective but my point remains either way.

catefrances

why the fuck would anyone want more than one spouse anyway????

hedonist

catefrances said:

why the fuck would anyone want more than one spouse anyway????

No shit

Wobbie

I did not read all your posts but a) I live in utah b) I'm pretty fascinated by the short creek FLDS bunch and c) I have read much about those people (warren jeffs disciples).

I'll just add that sister wives does not equal short creek by any stretch of the imagination. I think the show is phony but there definitely ARE polygamists like the browns. Those people don't bother me much. The warren jeffs bunch are a whole nuther story - criminals in the way they game the system and child molester men with enabler women. Not a healthy lifestyle at all.