Polygamy and Sister Wives ?

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

I definitely feel like I have enough love for at least a half dozen women!


I know for sure a woman would have to be incredibly needy to absorb ALL the love I have to give!

*Edit, "love" is not being used as a euphemism here lol

This is actually a good perspective.

I mean... why be a suicide bomber to get yourself 1000 virgins when you can be a polygamist and do it without maiming anyone?

Yeah!
Put that passion to use elsewhere!

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

I definitely feel like I have enough love for at least a half dozen women!


I know for sure a woman would have to be incredibly needy to absorb ALL the love I have to give!

*Edit, "love" is not being used as a euphemism here lol

This is actually a good perspective.

I mean... why be a suicide bomber to get yourself 1000 virgins when you can be a polygamist and do it without maiming anyone?

HAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA OHHHHHHSNAP !!! now that was funny !

Godfather.

PJ_Soul

amethgr8 said:

I have watched less then one episode because I can't watch anymore. It frustrates me to see women live like that, my interpretation, they are not seeing their true potential. However in their view, they all fully believe they are carrying out purpose and are okay with it. Bully for them, it's not for me.

In VERY general terms our western civilized brains really function better doing one thing at a a time. Relationships are different they are intimate. I estimate that even tho there is a fair divorce rate, as realationships deepen either mono or poly, it's easier on the brain to only have to process one partners actions, reactions, family issues, work schedule, etc. and vice verse. While there maybe poly relations out there, working, I believe they are the exception to the long term rule. Others just fooling around or limiting their partners and keepin it light and not religious, to me are not ready for more deep relationships and really just learning who they are and what they want out of a partner.

I'm not saying a poly relation cannot be deep it certainly can, but I estaime not as deep as every single day, day in and out only one person (of course to qualify there is no dysfunction in said example relationship). I think ultimately one would pick the person that fulfills them the most for what their specific needs are. There are people that don't want to share all that of themselves with another, ever, and that's ok too.

As it relates to insurance of your spouse, where is that line drawn? Are you allowed to have 5 husbands or wives and 15 children on your insurance? Why would anyone divorce?

Relationships, marriage, it's all socialize learning. Other cultures have taught us "normal" is only a matter of perspective.

I actually watched a season or two of the show (in the train wreck sense), and it doesn't really work for them at all. They were literally driven out of them home by state law, had to uproot their children, the wives are constantly have issues with jealousy and all this shit.... While the wive try to insist that it works great for them, at least one of them are always on the brink of a mental breakdown at any given time. They struggle with profound money problems because they have to maintain 4 separate households (which the husband rotates through on a schedule). Their kids struggle with the whole thing pretty continuously. It's completely ridiculous, and I'm surprised anyone can watch the show and walk away saying that hey, this seems to work for this family so it can't be all that bad. To me, it looks like a little slice of hell for the most part.

Go Beavers

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

polaris_x

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

callen

See world were there is no marriage and kids don't care how other kids family structure is formed as long as they have emotional support.

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

Word "fanatical" not needed preceding word "religion". Redundant and any parent threatening their children with eternal damnation and make believe characters is child abuse.

hedonist

callen said:

See world were there is no marriage and kids don't care how other kids family structure is formed as long as they have emotional support.

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

Word "fanatical" not needed preceding word "religion". Redundant and any parent threatening their children with eternal damnation and make believe characters is child abuse.

Not all people of religion are fanatics.

Go Beavers

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

I'm not referring to inventions of convenience. What are you using to measure that we've gone backward? And when was our peak?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

I'm not referring to inventions of convenience. What are you using to measure that we've gone backward? And when was our peak?

I think it's far from perfect... but it's getting better all the time.

polaris_x

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

I'm not referring to inventions of convenience. What are you using to measure that we've gone backward? And when was our peak?

i'm talking about human rights violations; the power of coporations; the corruption of gov't; bullying; respect for life; racism; discrimination ...

Annafalk

I think polygamy is just wrong and disturbed.

Godfather.

Annafalk said:

I think polygamy is just wrong and disturbed.

agreed.

Godfather.

Annafalk

Godfather. said:

Annafalk said:

I think polygamy is just wrong and disturbed.

agreed.

Godfather.

That's great

amethgr8

" I'm surprised anyone can watch the show and walk away saying that hey, this seems to work for this family so it can't be all that bad. To me, it looks like a little slice of hell for the most part.'

I didn't mean for it to come off like that. It's not okay for me. I don't know how accurate the TV show is, as there is a community out there. On the surface and for most people I don't think it's a healthy structure, for anyone.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

I'm not referring to inventions of convenience. What are you using to measure that we've gone backward? And when was our peak?

i'm talking about human rights violations; the power of coporations; the corruption of gov't; bullying; respect for life; racism; discrimination ...

If you go back in time... you'll find much worse.

As I said, it's far from perfect... but I think it's glacier-like getting better.

PJ_Soul

You won't find the power of corporations to be much worse in the past. Not even close. But of course, generally, racism, respect for life, discrimination and whatnot was much MUCH MUCH worse even in the recent past, let alone the more distant past. Despite hiccups now, like NC, the sliding backwards of rights around women's health in some states, etc, for the most part, things have improved by leaps and bounds, especially for minorities, women, and gay people. I always find it weird when people talk about, say, the 1950s as the glory days, where everything was just so nice, and there was no violence, etc etc. It tells me that they both have no idea what the statistics were on crime back then, and also must be white males.
But yes, I feel like corporations are becoming more and more sinister by the day..... government too.... if you're talking about the USA.

HesCalledDyer

I don't quite get this stuff. I wish I could find just one person to stick around long enough for something meaningful to develop. People out there with multiple wives and husbands, cheaters, etc, and still not happy with what they have... Meanwhile I go home to myself every night. I just don't fucking get it.
And to make tv shows about it and glorify it sickens me even more.

catefrances

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Go Beavers said:

polaris_x said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

but we are ALL borne into a lifestyle that has social constructs ... it's not so black and white ... we ALL participate in systems that cause suffering ... that's what it means now to be part of the "economy" ...

Yeah, but human beings pick their battles, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sure we're all born into a lifestyle that has a social construct. The question is how bad for a person or group of people is that social construct in relative terms? I would argue that a polygamous community is VERY VERY bad for girls to be born into. Others are much worse than the norm too. Like kids born into white supremacist communities or fanatical militaristic sects, or any fanatical religious sect, and so on. It is okay to qualify lifestyles. Some of the them are very obviously less healthy than others.

based on what? ... do you have literature that proves this? ...

listen - i'm not saying it's great or it's bad ... i don't know what it's like ... all i'm saying is that the biases we project are often based on constructs we have been indoctrinated with ... i'm pretty sure if we were to truly open our minds and be given all the information - we'd be ok with some and not so ok with others ... we live in a generally fucked up world now - so, my position is that our current conventions isn't necessarily producing a great society ... so, we've got no real ground to stand on ...

So don't throw stones when you live in glass houses?

Some things are a little more f**ked up than others. We can open our minds up all we want, but in my opinion... some things will never be appropriate: indoctrinating young girls for full participation in a polygamous religious cult lifestyle is not something I can begin to think is acceptable.

If adults choose to seek out such a lifestyle then fair enough.

I hear what you're saying though: in reality... raising a child to fear the Lord and dedicate themselves to a life of worshipping him is in the same hemisphere whether people care to admit it or not. Both are unfortunate in my mind.

sort of ... everyone is a product of their experiences and their belief systems that evolved through a complex system ... we have like a bunch of people who think donald trump would be a great POTUS - do you trust them to raise kids?

our society is fucked up now ... people shoot each other over road rage incidents; bullying is at an all time worse, states are instituting more discriminatory laws and reading internet comments should render any sane person suicidal ... i'm just not sure we have the authority to dictate what is good anymore ...

I see society being better now than it was. We just hear about things happening now that were happening in the past, but our news radius was only about 30 miles then. Now I get to read about someone finding a 15' snake in their bed in Uzbekistan. I think were still learning how to balance the avalanche of available news where we're often fed the most dramatic and outrageous stories, vs. actual reality.

that's what people think about diseases too ... that reporting and diagnoses is so much better now ... it's an illusion to the reality ... our evolvement has definitely brought about much things we can deem positive but in many respects it's gotten worse ...

The Earth is stressed out more than it has before, but as far as humans go, most evidence shows that things are better.

sure if you want to talk about smartphones and self-flushing toilets ... i'm talking about societies ... we've gone backwards in many of those areas ...

hate self flushing toilets... they freak me out... especially when they flush when im not done.

catefrances

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't quite get this stuff. I wish I could find just one person to stick around long enough for something meaningful to develop. People out there with multiple wives and husbands, cheaters, etc, and still not happy with what they have... Meanwhile I go home to myself every night. I just don't fucking get it.
And to make tv shows about it and glorify it sickens me even more.

I agree... just do it if you must... but do it privately.

tho as you know we live in such a voyeuristic society that EVERYTHING is fodder for so called reality tv. and as we know reality tv is the most unrealistic thing on tv.

ldent42

Honestly not bothered about poly marriages. Love who you love, including quantities.

What I'm slightly bothered by is what seems to be the common practice of one family having like 20 kids. Our planet is way too over populated as it is.