Constructive Criticism for the Ten Club

Jennytree

SPALMA wrote:

I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).

Does any other fan club do that? Just curious mind, cos in Dublin its very rare to have fan club early entry, and certainly no special area!

Sidetracked

All I can say is Athens was my first GA show, I chickened out when the general public came barrelling in, hadn't had enough time to establish a place yet (had to hit the toilet first after being in line for sooo long). So I headed for the side rail, which was ok but view wasn't the greatest.
Would have preferred a seat, just for the view.
Will never do GA again unless they have a separate area for 10c tix holders.
P.S. did kinda piss me off when I realized that I paid more to stand than most did to sit (especially because those with seats didn't have to hang out all bloody day)

lgt

I thoroughly enjoyed the 3 shows I have attended n this tour and I appreciate immensely the opportunity of purchasing tickets before general sale and entering the venue before the general public.

My only suggestion for GA shows is to ensure there is a separate pit for 10c.
All the 10c members look after one another and are considering of their fellow fans' well-being. However, I find it unfair that many are forced to leave the first rows just because some people forcefully push their way through.

That is why I believe a separate section for 10c would be ideal.

And that's my 2cents!

Riot_Rain

SPALMA wrote:

I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).

Hm. I wonder what'll happen when 10C phone the venue in Portugal and say: "Please provide a separate section for our fans, right at the front."

I think the venue would say:
"Of course, your wish is our command, just show us the money. Also, we need a new health and safety check and more security to be able to do that. So either you lovely 10C people pay the bill or ticket prices increase by 200%."

Seriously. I think separate sections at the front of a large floor are the way to go, but rather than expect a band to sort it, the venues themselves should make it standard practice. And I don't think they will. It sucks.

redrock

SPALMA wrote:

I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).

It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.
To avoid crush in large venues, staggered barriers seem to be a good idea!

Mirella

redrock wrote:

It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.
To avoid crush in large venues, staggered barriers seem to be a good idea!

I'd say it's a Pearl Jam concert so they can have some basic demands, especially when it's for the fans safety. They already use the so called 'Mojo barriers' for the front rows. Those are designed for better safety. So why not go for the seperated front area everywhere?

groetjes,
Mirella

SPALMA

Riot_Rain wrote:

"Of course, your wish is our command, just show us the money. "

That would be key, yes.

I would think that there are standard approved devices and practices already in use.

SPALMA

Jennytree wrote:

Does any other fan club do that? Just curious mind, cos in Dublin its very rare to have fan club early entry, and certainly no special area!

Don't know of any fanclubs that do it - but venues do - Apparently they had it in Berlin.

Pegasus

Sidetracked wrote:

All I can say is Athens was my first GA show, I chickened out when the general public came barrelling in, hadn't had enough time to establish a place yet (had to hit the toilet first after being in line for sooo long). So I headed for the side rail, which was ok but view wasn't the greatest.
Would have preferred a seat, just for the view.
Will never do GA again unless they have a separate area for 10c tix holders.
P.S. did kinda piss me off when I realized that I paid more to stand than most did to sit (especially because those with seats didn't have to hang out all bloody day)

you know that in Athens you could get to the seats with your 10c right?
several did it (Wash_ 'cos she was sick, another couple of friends who didin't fancy the crowd)

It wasn't true everywhere but in Athens seats and GA were the same price (and it was free seating, not assigned like most places) so they didn't care.

SPALMA

Pegasus wrote:

you know that in Athens you could get to the seats with your 10c right?
several did it (Wash_ 'cos she was sick, another couple of friends who didin't fancy the crowd)

It wasn't true everywhere but in Athens seats and GA were the same price (and it was free seating, not assigned like most places) so they didn't care.

In Lisbon there was no way to get to any seats (you had to exit the building to get upstairs and then you couldn't get back in).

Pegasus

don't know if the seperate area is really the venue's decision..in Paris I was told it was common practice now in Bercy to have 2 pits...yet there was only 1 for PJ...some people around me were surprised by that expecting the 2.

I think the 2 pits is ideal (with some option for seating if you want it)...but the way it happened on several shows:
not just for 10c, as it's highly unfair, but also including early GA queuers...after all, someone who has been waiting all day in line is not there to make trouble..the troublemakers just show up at the last minute full of beer..then barge their way..
It worked great in Dublin, Prague and Berlin (ok Berlin was still squashed and had idiots.. but the front pit was too big ..bit like Reading/Leeds..they needed it though as it was all GA).

Dun

I was seated in Dublin, so just came in after Paddy Casey around 8:45, but for the Marseille and Paris shows I was forced from the front, and looking back it was a real waste of me queuing almost all day in uncomfortably hot weather, and then forced to end up in places that I could've wondered in at 8:45 as well and been in the same place.. Athens, I could stick my ground a bit as I was on the barrier down the middle and could hold on, but I still ended up about two and a half yards down from where I was at the start of the concert.

mpg82

Did the ten club change management since 2000 or 2003? They were so much more pleasant to deal with and more customer orientated then. Now it's like we're just numbers. Very ticketmaster-esque if you ask me. Not a whole lot of effort going into preparing for shows. I mean our 10C tix in Milwaukee were worse than ones we could've bought from ticketmaster.

bertan

i didn't read the whole 4 pages so i'm sorry if it's repetetive:

1) my first pj concert was in athens. thanks to 10c tickets i didn't suffer to get to the barrier, but when the concert started i surely did struggled hard to stay there, which i managed. i still have a very very dark bruise near my waist (i dunno how that happened) but i love it it was a rock n' roll concert and it's supposed to be that way. however if you insist on adding a little more comfort, having 2 pits seems like the best solution. you still have to struggle to be at the very first row, but if you decide to relax a little, you don't have to go back all the way.

2) general admission is a wonderful, wonderful thing, i still can't believe we had ga concerts in europe after the roskilde incident. americans, please don't give ideas like "all seated shows in europe" to 10c staff. don't spoil the fun in europe or south america, please

i watched live at the garden again yesterday, at the beginning of grievence someone serves beers in the ga area. now that's just nonsense i don't enjoy physical damage but still, a rock n' roll concert must feel like a rock n' roll concert if you are at one of the first rows. and it sure did in athens! thank you 10c for the early entrence, please don't make any drastic changes to the current system.

cheers,
bertan

SPALMA

I Loved having GA for the seats in Lisbon. Everyone was so intent on being first on the floor that we only had to show up 2 hrs. early to get the best seats next to the stage. Far better than I would ever get with my lousy 10c number nor the ticketmaster odds.

the_real_thinair

It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.

don't know if the seperate area is really the venue's decision..in Paris I was told it was common practice now in Bercy to have 2 pits...yet there was only 1 for PJ...some people around me were surprised by that expecting the 2.

ok. i was there for prince in 2002 (4 years ago!!!) and he had a front pit for fan club members at every show in europe with a GA floor. and fan club members got early entry for the soundcheck....oh and btw he did not overcharge for fan club tickets. it is up to PJ to do it.

the real thinair

SPALMA

the_real_thinair wrote:

ok. i was there for prince in 2002 (4 years ago!!!) and he had a front pit for fan club members at every show in europe with a GA floor. and fan club members got early entry for the soundcheck....oh and btw he did not overcharge for fan club tickets. it is up to PJ to do it.

the real thinair

Wow!

KELLYS LEASH

This is soooooooooooooooooooo crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't we all just sit on the floor and watch the shows all swayyyyying side to side (not)
If there were no 10c then we would have to queue from probably 9am in the morning of the show just to be in with a small chance of getting to the front or maybe 10c should lay a red carpet out for us to walk down have a veiled entrance for us, papazzi waiting by the queue to take our pics and then each have a seat in front of the stage with our names in stars...........................

Pegasus

KELLY'S LEASH wrote:

This is soooooooooooooooooooo crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't we all just sit on the floor and watch the shows all swayyyyying side to side (not)
If there were no 10c then we would have to queue from probably 9am in the morning of the show just to be in with a small chance of getting to the front or maybe 10c should lay a red carpet out for us to walk down have a veiled entrance for us, papazzi waiting by the queue to take our pics and then each have a seat in front of the stage with our names in stars...........................

we actually still do
I'm 100% for GA...but it's not for everyone and it would be good if they gave teh choice.
And a second pit is not just for comfort, it's for safety.

newagehippie

bertan wrote:

i don't enjoy physical damage but still, a rock n' roll concert must feel like a rock n' roll concert if you are at one of the first rows.

cheers,
bertan

It's all about the music. If you are at a PJ show, seated or not, (I've done both) it feels like a rock and roll concert. The only difference is that with seats (which are never used, more a a designated standing location, except in boston III where the band requested the audience to sit) you don't have to spend all of your energy holding on or fighting the surge, you can spend you energy rocking out and "watching" the great performance. I've never heard of anyone haveing a bad experience in the front of seated shows, and I have heard several in this thread complaining of their experience of GA....