All in all, I like the system they had this tour. 10c tickets and then those who get there early enough can get into the front area, worked fine in Berlin at least..
... and I was really amazed how somehow all the US members managed to get 10C tickets to shows that myself and other Euro fans found impossible.
Do you really think there were all that many Americans (from the US, not living in Europe) that made it across? It seemed to me that most 10C transfers were 'european to european'...
We go to the US for their shows (not that I have but I know loads who have in the past....)
Do you really think there were all that many Americans (from the US, not living in Europe) that made it across? It seemed to me that most 10C transfers were 'european to european'...
We go to the US for their shows (not that I have but I know loads who have in the past....)
Yep, I agree. I mean at Dublin apart from Casey, I met one other American I'm sure there were more but they weren't exactly taking over.
This brings me back to the fiasco we had when the Dublin tickets sold out initially with people joining the board simply to give out about all the foreigners taking our tickets... (not to mention our land, our jobs and our women :rolleyes: ). I don't think there's much that 10c can do really to turn it around that won't make it messy. As it is, it's simple enough with the GA (all 10c members have the same chance to make it to the front. Maybe the seated shows should be the same - no allocated seats, just a section for 10c and first come, best seats.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yep, I agree. I mean at Dublin apart from Casey, I met one other American I'm sure there were more but they weren't exactly taking over.
This brings me back to the fiasco we had when the Dublin tickets sold out initially with people joining the board simply to give out about all the foreigners taking our tickets... (not to mention our land, our jobs and our women :rolleyes: ). I don't think there's much that 10c can do really to turn it around that won't make it messy. As it is, it's simple enough with the GA (all 10c members have the same chance to make it to the front. Maybe the seated shows should be the same - no allocated seats, just a section for 10c and first come, best seats.
I must be slipping because I didn't find a job, house, or woman while I was over there......sad but true....:D
Cheers,
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
I have no criticism.
I much prefer assigned seating. I was excited about my first GA shows, but as some people said, it was hell. Made it through a couple songs and had to go back for life. Early entry is still great though. Much smaller line. Next time, I think I would shoot for very close side seats, and if it happens that people around me sit and are not into it, I'd go down to mid floor.
If the alternative is GA vs. no show, I'll take GA. But really, assigned seating rocks.
On precedence to Europeans/Americans. That's silly. I grew up in Milan, and that was much more of a hometown show than any show in Ohio, where I currently live. Also, why penalize the people who travel to see the band?
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
I must be slipping because I didn't find a job, house, or woman while I was over there......sad but true....:D
I feel like such a failure now - I'm pretty sure I said I'd help you find all three sorry!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
In Arnhem the early-entry thing worked really well for the simple reason that there was a front bit that only so many people could get into (10C plus the first people from the GA queue). As a result, I managed to get to the front row and was even able to boogie from the start right until the end.
Where there is just one big floor there is not a lot you can do about people behaving like idiots (i.e. pushing their elbows in your face). I agree it's horrible when you've been waiting for hours, spent more money on a ticket and then get brutalised by someone who hasn't done either of those thing.
In my opinion there are two solutions:
1. Not offering 10C tickets for shows that have one big floor... But I think not many people would vote for that option.
2. For fans to investigate what kind of venues PJ are playing and then deciding to buy 10C or non-10C tickets.
Like a cloud dropping rain
I'm discarding all thought
I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
I'm like an opening band for the sun
yes, in a perfect world pearl jam would tour around the whole world every year
bBut as long as that won't happen; why punish the ones who actually spends a lot of time, money and effort on getting to the concerts because it isn't in their country? If anything, they've probably worked a lot more to get to the concert than the "locals". I completly understand where you're coming from though, I just find it a bit unfair as long as people travel to other countries when Pearl Jam doesn't play in their own
Aight for those who live in countries PJ hasnt played quite a while I wont mind an exception, at all! But c'mon PJ plays ur home ground and ur waiting in line, with 10C membership, to have a decent spot? A wee bummer..
Where there is just one big floor there is not a lot you can do about people behaving like idiots (i.e. pushing their elbows in your face). I agree it's horrible when you've been waiting for hours, spent more money on a ticket and then get brutalised by someone who hasn't done either of those thing.
In my opinion there are two solutions:
1. Not offering 10C tickets for shows that have one big floor... But I think not many people would vote for that option.
2. For fans to investigate what kind of venues PJ are playing and then deciding to buy 10C or non-10C tickets.
I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).
In Portugal we lasted 5 songs in the pit (yes, elbows in the face) on the first night, after waiting 7 hours to get in. Had to listen to the music formthe very back of the floor.
The second night, we bought balcony tickets and had the greatest seats. (but we certainly weren't 2nd row).
Unfortunately, there is no way to find out if there is a split floor plan or not before the show (we tried calling). We considered night 1 a learning experience for night 2.
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
Aight for those who live in countries PJ hasnt played quite a while I wont mind an exception, at all! But c'mon PJ plays ur home ground and ur waiting in line, with 10C membership, to have a decent spot? A wee bummer..
yes ofcourse, that's not the ideal thing.. but as long as pearl jam doesn't tour the whole year around it looks like we won't be spoiled with shows in the future either.. but anyway, in theory; I agree completly!
All I can say is Athens was my first GA show, I chickened out when the general public came barrelling in, hadn't had enough time to establish a place yet (had to hit the toilet first after being in line for sooo long). So I headed for the side rail, which was ok but view wasn't the greatest.
Would have preferred a seat, just for the view.
Will never do GA again unless they have a separate area for 10c tix holders.
P.S. did kinda piss me off when I realized that I paid more to stand than most did to sit (especially because those with seats didn't have to hang out all bloody day)
I thoroughly enjoyed the 3 shows I have attended n this tour and I appreciate immensely the opportunity of purchasing tickets before general sale and entering the venue before the general public.
My only suggestion for GA shows is to ensure there is a separate pit for 10c.
All the 10c members look after one another and are considering of their fellow fans' well-being. However, I find it unfair that many are forced to leave the first rows just because some people forcefully push their way through.
That is why I believe a separate section for 10c would be ideal.
I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).
Hm. I wonder what'll happen when 10C phone the venue in Portugal and say: "Please provide a separate section for our fans, right at the front."
I think the venue would say:
"Of course, your wish is our command, just show us the money. Also, we need a new health and safety check and more security to be able to do that. So either you lovely 10C people pay the bill or ticket prices increase by 200%."
Seriously. I think separate sections at the front of a large floor are the way to go, but rather than expect a band to sort it, the venues themselves should make it standard practice. And I don't think they will. It sucks.
Like a cloud dropping rain
I'm discarding all thought
I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
I'm like an opening band for the sun
It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.
To avoid crush in large venues, staggered barriers seem to be a good idea!
I'd say it's a Pearl Jam concert so they can have some basic demands, especially when it's for the fans safety. They already use the so called 'Mojo barriers' for the front rows. Those are designed for better safety. So why not go for the seperated front area everywhere?
All I can say is Athens was my first GA show, I chickened out when the general public came barrelling in, hadn't had enough time to establish a place yet (had to hit the toilet first after being in line for sooo long). So I headed for the side rail, which was ok but view wasn't the greatest.
Would have preferred a seat, just for the view.
Will never do GA again unless they have a separate area for 10c tix holders.
P.S. did kinda piss me off when I realized that I paid more to stand than most did to sit (especially because those with seats didn't have to hang out all bloody day)
you know that in Athens you could get to the seats with your 10c right?
several did it (Wash_ 'cos she was sick, another couple of friends who didin't fancy the crowd)
It wasn't true everywhere but in Athens seats and GA were the same price (and it was free seating, not assigned like most places) so they didn't care.
you know that in Athens you could get to the seats with your 10c right?
several did it (Wash_ 'cos she was sick, another couple of friends who didin't fancy the crowd)
It wasn't true everywhere but in Athens seats and GA were the same price (and it was free seating, not assigned like most places) so they didn't care.
In Lisbon there was no way to get to any seats (you had to exit the building to get upstairs and then you couldn't get back in).
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
don't know if the seperate area is really the venue's decision..in Paris I was told it was common practice now in Bercy to have 2 pits...yet there was only 1 for PJ...some people around me were surprised by that expecting the 2.
I think the 2 pits is ideal (with some option for seating if you want it)...but the way it happened on several shows:
not just for 10c, as it's highly unfair, but also including early GA queuers...after all, someone who has been waiting all day in line is not there to make trouble..the troublemakers just show up at the last minute full of beer..then barge their way..
It worked great in Dublin, Prague and Berlin (ok Berlin was still squashed and had idiots.. but the front pit was too big ..bit like Reading/Leeds..they needed it though as it was all GA).
I was seated in Dublin, so just came in after Paddy Casey around 8:45, but for the Marseille and Paris shows I was forced from the front, and looking back it was a real waste of me queuing almost all day in uncomfortably hot weather, and then forced to end up in places that I could've wondered in at 8:45 as well and been in the same place.. Athens, I could stick my ground a bit as I was on the barrier down the middle and could hold on, but I still ended up about two and a half yards down from where I was at the start of the concert.
Did the ten club change management since 2000 or 2003? They were so much more pleasant to deal with and more customer orientated then. Now it's like we're just numbers. Very ticketmaster-esque if you ask me. Not a whole lot of effort going into preparing for shows. I mean our 10C tix in Milwaukee were worse than ones we could've bought from ticketmaster.
i didn't read the whole 4 pages so i'm sorry if it's repetetive:
1) my first pj concert was in athens. thanks to 10c tickets i didn't suffer to get to the barrier, but when the concert started i surely did struggled hard to stay there, which i managed. i still have a very very dark bruise near my waist (i dunno how that happened) but i love it it was a rock n' roll concert and it's supposed to be that way. however if you insist on adding a little more comfort, having 2 pits seems like the best solution. you still have to struggle to be at the very first row, but if you decide to relax a little, you don't have to go back all the way.
2) general admission is a wonderful, wonderful thing, i still can't believe we had ga concerts in europe after the roskilde incident. americans, please don't give ideas like "all seated shows in europe" to 10c staff. don't spoil the fun in europe or south america, please
i watched live at the garden again yesterday, at the beginning of grievence someone serves beers in the ga area. now that's just nonsense i don't enjoy physical damage but still, a rock n' roll concert must feel like a rock n' roll concert if you are at one of the first rows. and it sure did in athens! thank you 10c for the early entrence, please don't make any drastic changes to the current system.
cheers,
bertan
"hey na na na na hey that's something"
30.09.2006 Athens | 18.06.2007 London | 18.08.2009 London | 05.07.2014 Werchter | 17.07.2018 London | 08.07.2022 London
I Loved having GA for the seats in Lisbon. Everyone was so intent on being first on the floor that we only had to show up 2 hrs. early to get the best seats next to the stage. Far better than I would ever get with my lousy 10c number nor the ticketmaster odds.
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.
don't know if the seperate area is really the venue's decision..in Paris I was told it was common practice now in Bercy to have 2 pits...yet there was only 1 for PJ...some people around me were surprised by that expecting the 2.
ok. i was there for prince in 2002 (4 years ago!!!) and he had a front pit for fan club members at every show in europe with a GA floor. and fan club members got early entry for the soundcheck....oh and btw he did not overcharge for fan club tickets. it is up to PJ to do it.
ok. i was there for prince in 2002 (4 years ago!!!) and he had a front pit for fan club members at every show in europe with a GA floor. and fan club members got early entry for the soundcheck....oh and btw he did not overcharge for fan club tickets. it is up to PJ to do it.
the real thinair
Wow!
"I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
This is soooooooooooooooooooo crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't we all just sit on the floor and watch the shows all swayyyyying side to side (not)
If there were no 10c then we would have to queue from probably 9am in the morning of the show just to be in with a small chance of getting to the front or maybe 10c should lay a red carpet out for us to walk down have a veiled entrance for us, papazzi waiting by the queue to take our pics and then each have a seat in front of the stage with our names in stars...........................
29/05/00 -Wembley
20/04/06 - The Astoria alley crew + got to shake Ed's hand
25/04/06 -Jools Show + got Mike's autograph
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27/08/06- 07/09/06- 09/09/06-13/09/06-17/09/06-13/06/07-18/06/07
...Three crooked hearts and swirls all around...
This is soooooooooooooooooooo crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't we all just sit on the floor and watch the shows all swayyyyying side to side (not) If there were no 10c then we would have to queue from probably 9am in the morning of the show just to be in with a small chance of getting to the front or maybe 10c should lay a red carpet out for us to walk down have a veiled entrance for us, papazzi waiting by the queue to take our pics and then each have a seat in front of the stage with our names in stars...........................
we actually still do
I'm 100% for GA...but it's not for everyone and it would be good if they gave teh choice.
And a second pit is not just for comfort, it's for safety.
i don't enjoy physical damage but still, a rock n' roll concert must feel like a rock n' roll concert if you are at one of the first rows.
cheers,
bertan
It's all about the music. If you are at a PJ show, seated or not, (I've done both) it feels like a rock and roll concert. The only difference is that with seats (which are never used, more a a designated standing location, except in boston III where the band requested the audience to sit) you don't have to spend all of your energy holding on or fighting the surge, you can spend you energy rocking out and "watching" the great performance. I've never heard of anyone haveing a bad experience in the front of seated shows, and I have heard several in this thread complaining of their experience of GA....
Cheers,
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
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Worked great in Dublin as well!
Do you really think there were all that many Americans (from the US, not living in Europe) that made it across? It seemed to me that most 10C transfers were 'european to european'...
We go to the US for their shows (not that I have but I know loads who have in the past....)
This brings me back to the fiasco we had when the Dublin tickets sold out initially with people joining the board simply to give out about all the foreigners taking our tickets... (not to mention our land, our jobs and our women :rolleyes: ). I don't think there's much that 10c can do really to turn it around that won't make it messy. As it is, it's simple enough with the GA (all 10c members have the same chance to make it to the front. Maybe the seated shows should be the same - no allocated seats, just a section for 10c and first come, best seats.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I must be slipping because I didn't find a job, house, or woman while I was over there......sad but true....:D
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....
I much prefer assigned seating. I was excited about my first GA shows, but as some people said, it was hell. Made it through a couple songs and had to go back for life. Early entry is still great though. Much smaller line. Next time, I think I would shoot for very close side seats, and if it happens that people around me sit and are not into it, I'd go down to mid floor.
If the alternative is GA vs. no show, I'll take GA. But really, assigned seating rocks.
On precedence to Europeans/Americans. That's silly. I grew up in Milan, and that was much more of a hometown show than any show in Ohio, where I currently live. Also, why penalize the people who travel to see the band?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
In Arnhem the early-entry thing worked really well for the simple reason that there was a front bit that only so many people could get into (10C plus the first people from the GA queue). As a result, I managed to get to the front row and was even able to boogie from the start right until the end.
Where there is just one big floor there is not a lot you can do about people behaving like idiots (i.e. pushing their elbows in your face). I agree it's horrible when you've been waiting for hours, spent more money on a ticket and then get brutalised by someone who hasn't done either of those thing.
In my opinion there are two solutions:
1. Not offering 10C tickets for shows that have one big floor... But I think not many people would vote for that option.
2. For fans to investigate what kind of venues PJ are playing and then deciding to buy 10C or non-10C tickets.
I'm discarding all thought
I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
I'm like an opening band for the sun
I agree - but I think the band CAN do something about it (ie. requiring special sections for 10c members).
In Portugal we lasted 5 songs in the pit (yes, elbows in the face) on the first night, after waiting 7 hours to get in. Had to listen to the music formthe very back of the floor.
The second night, we bought balcony tickets and had the greatest seats. (but we certainly weren't 2nd row).
Unfortunately, there is no way to find out if there is a split floor plan or not before the show (we tried calling). We considered night 1 a learning experience for night 2.
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
yes ofcourse, that's not the ideal thing.. but as long as pearl jam doesn't tour the whole year around it looks like we won't be spoiled with shows in the future either.. but anyway, in theory; I agree completly!
Does any other fan club do that? Just curious mind, cos in Dublin its very rare to have fan club early entry, and certainly no special area!
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Would have preferred a seat, just for the view.
Will never do GA again unless they have a separate area for 10c tix holders.
P.S. did kinda piss me off when I realized that I paid more to stand than most did to sit (especially because those with seats didn't have to hang out all bloody day)
My only suggestion for GA shows is to ensure there is a separate pit for 10c.
All the 10c members look after one another and are considering of their fellow fans' well-being. However, I find it unfair that many are forced to leave the first rows just because some people forcefully push their way through.
That is why I believe a separate section for 10c would be ideal.
And that's my 2cents!
Hm. I wonder what'll happen when 10C phone the venue in Portugal and say: "Please provide a separate section for our fans, right at the front."
I think the venue would say:
"Of course, your wish is our command, just show us the money. Also, we need a new health and safety check and more security to be able to do that. So either you lovely 10C people pay the bill or ticket prices increase by 200%."
Seriously. I think separate sections at the front of a large floor are the way to go, but rather than expect a band to sort it, the venues themselves should make it standard practice. And I don't think they will. It sucks.
I'm discarding all thought
I'll dry up, leaving puddles on the ground
I'm like an opening band for the sun
It's a venue thing. Don't really think the band can do anything about that.
To avoid crush in large venues, staggered barriers seem to be a good idea!
I'd say it's a Pearl Jam concert so they can have some basic demands, especially when it's for the fans safety. They already use the so called 'Mojo barriers' for the front rows. Those are designed for better safety. So why not go for the seperated front area everywhere?
groetjes,
Mirella
That would be key, yes.
I would think that there are standard approved devices and practices already in use.
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
Don't know of any fanclubs that do it - but venues do - Apparently they had it in Berlin.
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
several did it (Wash_ 'cos she was sick, another couple of friends who didin't fancy the crowd)
It wasn't true everywhere but in Athens seats and GA were the same price (and it was free seating, not assigned like most places) so they didn't care.
In Lisbon there was no way to get to any seats (you had to exit the building to get upstairs and then you couldn't get back in).
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
I think the 2 pits is ideal (with some option for seating if you want it)...but the way it happened on several shows:
not just for 10c, as it's highly unfair, but also including early GA queuers...after all, someone who has been waiting all day in line is not there to make trouble..the troublemakers just show up at the last minute full of beer..then barge their way..
It worked great in Dublin, Prague and Berlin (ok Berlin was still squashed and had idiots.. but the front pit was too big ..bit like Reading/Leeds..they needed it though as it was all GA).
1) my first pj concert was in athens. thanks to 10c tickets i didn't suffer to get to the barrier, but when the concert started i surely did struggled hard to stay there, which i managed. i still have a very very dark bruise near my waist (i dunno how that happened) but i love it
2) general admission is a wonderful, wonderful thing, i still can't believe we had ga concerts in europe after the roskilde incident. americans, please don't give ideas like "all seated shows in europe" to 10c staff. don't spoil the fun in europe or south america, please
i watched live at the garden again yesterday, at the beginning of grievence someone serves beers in the ga area. now that's just nonsense
cheers,
bertan
30.09.2006 Athens | 18.06.2007 London | 18.08.2009 London | 05.07.2014 Werchter | 17.07.2018 London | 08.07.2022 London
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
ok. i was there for prince in 2002 (4 years ago!!!) and he had a front pit for fan club members at every show in europe with a GA floor. and fan club members got early entry for the soundcheck....oh and btw he did not overcharge for fan club tickets. it is up to PJ to do it.
the real thinair
Wow!
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
Why don't we all just sit on the floor and watch the shows all swayyyyying side to side (not)
If there were no 10c then we would have to queue from probably 9am in the morning of the show just to be in with a small chance of getting to the front or maybe 10c should lay a red carpet out for us to walk down have a veiled entrance for us, papazzi waiting by the queue to take our pics and then each have a seat in front of the stage with our names in stars...........................
20/04/06 - The Astoria alley crew + got to shake Ed's hand
25/04/06 -Jools Show + got Mike's autograph
***********************************
27/08/06- 07/09/06- 09/09/06-13/09/06-17/09/06-13/06/07-18/06/07
...Three crooked hearts and swirls all around...
I'm 100% for GA...but it's not for everyone and it would be good if they gave teh choice.
And a second pit is not just for comfort, it's for safety.
It's all about the music. If you are at a PJ show, seated or not, (I've done both) it feels like a rock and roll concert. The only difference is that with seats (which are never used, more a a designated standing location, except in boston III where the band requested the audience to sit) you don't have to spend all of your energy holding on or fighting the surge, you can spend you energy rocking out and "watching" the great performance. I've never heard of anyone haveing a bad experience in the front of seated shows, and I have heard several in this thread complaining of their experience of GA....
NEWAGEHIPPIE
Keep your eyes open, eventually something will happen....