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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,881
    All of your comments are true, but I believe in probabilities, particularly when it comes to my kids. There are exceptions.. Bill Gates never finished college, etc. And if things didn't work out when you were in HS or early college, there's no reason to give up because there are opportunities in other areas if you don't finish. But your probability is better for a better job if you have a 'practical' degree. And it's even higher if you have a practical degree from a school with an excellent reputation in that subject.

    EddieC - I'm with you all the way, we need all types of people. Like I said earlier, my degrees are in history and english. I was lucky enough to get an entry level job at a corporation that was about to explode. What was a bit frustrating for me is that I worked for 6 years climbing the ranks to middle management when people coming out of UVA, William & Mary, Georgetown (I live in VA) were being hired in at the level I'd busted ass to get to. Now the difference is that I passed them out of hard work eventually.

    I'm telling EHBacon what I've learned and the advice I'm giving to my kids as they work their way through HS. When they finish college, my advice will change based on their situation when we get there.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,881
    Smellyman said:

    rr165892 said:

    EH,I echo what Lolo said.We are a bunch of cranky old fuckers.Like walking into a red ant hill.
    I've put 3 thru college.2 are still there.We know all about your struggles and commitment and I can tell you all of us Moms and Dads on here are in your corner and pulling for you,regardless of the debate de jour.We are not as disconnected from youth as you may think.

    Just remember. A degree is good and all but A combine tractor mechanic working for Catapiller makes 150,000 a year.My point is There are many good options other then 200k in dept.So no need to stress.You can still be very successful without a college degree.Hard work and good mind will take you wherever you need to go.If your passion needs a degree then go get it.But many paths you can follow.And I'll echo something my 25 yo son said recently when we were discussing this stuff."No one has ever asked to see my degree or diploma in any interview.just a piece of paper.How you interview and your personality makes more of a difference"

    I know someone who never went to college, but his resume said he did and is very high up in a very big tech company. All because of that first job he applied for.
    Yeah, well you don't get to do that anymore. Every mid size company does 'degree validation' today. Before we hire anyone, we have a company that validates the education experience.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Mark Jones said:

    rgambs said:

    http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/

    OP, read this, pay attention to that first graph, tell me your thoughts. I want to talk about the issue, not your employment with the military.

    Once you read that the Huffington Post "honored" the author you should realize the article is leftist drivel.
    Hahaha classic, can't refute the data, just discredit the source lol.
    Drivel indeed!
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    rollings said:

    This thread
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    that aint no shit.

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I don't think enough parents preach the other options for their kids enough.Specialty schools teaching Trades,make up artist and fashion designbroadcasting,Production of music and video,culinary,Mechanical,Nursing,etc.Although not traditional educationThis fields can be in line with a young persons passion and with a good work ethic and some basic bookkeeping skills you can turn a trade into a well paying career and be a professional making a very good living.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    rr165892 said:

    I don't think enough parents preach the other options for their kids enough.Specialty schools teaching Trades,make up artist and fashion designbroadcasting,Production of music and video,culinary,Mechanical,Nursing,etc.Although not traditional educationThis fields can be in line with a young persons passion and with a good work ethic and some basic bookkeeping skills you can turn a trade into a well paying career and be a professional making a very good living.

    you cons keep busting up the unions and there will be nobody going to trade schools.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited February 2016
    apprenticeship programs: heavy equipment operator, heating & cooling, electrical work, carpentry, tooling, diesel mechanic & so on. railroad, railroad & railroad. truck driver, truck driver & truck driver.

    i know a dude who literally walked onto a construction site (with zero iron worker experience) where they were erecting a building in kansas city. he was asked two questions

    1. do you smoke pot?
    2. do you drink beer?
    bring a cooler fulla beer every friday & you got a job

    he isn't scared of heights & he makes great money & only works about 1/2 the year or so. does anyone these days just walk up to a guy & ask for a job?

    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    So we're talking education now. Here's an eye opener, go check out Where To Invade Next and see how other countries handle education. (Hint - it's not longer hours of studying And homework). And these other countries outrank the US by far. Worth checking out.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    this thread needs a new title. how about "various"?
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    I have a question for the OP. what new (or increased) taxes are you referring to, specifically. federal income tax only? rates were recently increased. are there proposals to increase them again, or other legislature regarding tax credits etc. that you are referring to?

  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    Smellyman said:

    rr165892 said:

    EH,I echo what Lolo said.We are a bunch of cranky old fuckers.Like walking into a red ant hill.
    I've put 3 thru college.2 are still there.We know all about your struggles and commitment and I can tell you all of us Moms and Dads on here are in your corner and pulling for you,regardless of the debate de jour.We are not as disconnected from youth as you may think.

    Just remember. A degree is good and all but A combine tractor mechanic working for Catapiller makes 150,000 a year.My point is There are many good options other then 200k in dept.So no need to stress.You can still be very successful without a college degree.Hard work and good mind will take you wherever you need to go.If your passion needs a degree then go get it.But many paths you can follow.And I'll echo something my 25 yo son said recently when we were discussing this stuff."No one has ever asked to see my degree or diploma in any interview.just a piece of paper.How you interview and your personality makes more of a difference"

    I know someone who never went to college, but his resume said he did and is very high up in a very big tech company. All because of that first job he applied for.
    Yeah that would never happen for someone in my generation. That's great that generations before us got to do that, but now the world is just simply expecting more of us.

    And to people who think that it isn't harder to get into good colleges now, you need to look at simple stats. More people are applying now than ever, which brings in more competition and a better applicant field. The worlds changing and not for the better, the least people can do is not be ignorant towards it.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited February 2016
    ehbacon said:

    Smellyman said:

    rr165892 said:

    EH,I echo what Lolo said.We are a bunch of cranky old fuckers.Like walking into a red ant hill.
    I've put 3 thru college.2 are still there.We know all about your struggles and commitment and I can tell you all of us Moms and Dads on here are in your corner and pulling for you,regardless of the debate de jour.We are not as disconnected from youth as you may think.

    Just remember. A degree is good and all but A combine tractor mechanic working for Catapiller makes 150,000 a year.My point is There are many good options other then 200k in dept.So no need to stress.You can still be very successful without a college degree.Hard work and good mind will take you wherever you need to go.If your passion needs a degree then go get it.But many paths you can follow.And I'll echo something my 25 yo son said recently when we were discussing this stuff."No one has ever asked to see my degree or diploma in any interview.just a piece of paper.How you interview and your personality makes more of a difference"

    I know someone who never went to college, but his resume said he did and is very high up in a very big tech company. All because of that first job he applied for.
    Yeah that would never happen for someone in my generation. That's great that generations before us got to do that, but now the world is just simply expecting more of us.

    And to people who think that it isn't harder to get into good colleges now, you need to look at simple stats. More people are applying now than ever, which brings in more competition and a better applicant field. The worlds changing and not for the better, the least people can do is not be ignorant towards it.
    I am not a 65 year old retiree. Depending on the company, it can most certainly happen
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,881
    ehbacon said:

    Smellyman said:

    rr165892 said:

    EH,I echo what Lolo said.We are a bunch of cranky old fuckers.Like walking into a red ant hill.
    I've put 3 thru college.2 are still there.We know all about your struggles and commitment and I can tell you all of us Moms and Dads on here are in your corner and pulling for you,regardless of the debate de jour.We are not as disconnected from youth as you may think.

    Just remember. A degree is good and all but A combine tractor mechanic working for Catapiller makes 150,000 a year.My point is There are many good options other then 200k in dept.So no need to stress.You can still be very successful without a college degree.Hard work and good mind will take you wherever you need to go.If your passion needs a degree then go get it.But many paths you can follow.And I'll echo something my 25 yo son said recently when we were discussing this stuff."No one has ever asked to see my degree or diploma in any interview.just a piece of paper.How you interview and your personality makes more of a difference"

    I know someone who never went to college, but his resume said he did and is very high up in a very big tech company. All because of that first job he applied for.
    Yeah that would never happen for someone in my generation. That's great that generations before us got to do that, but now the world is just simply expecting more of us.

    And to people who think that it isn't harder to get into good colleges now, you need to look at simple stats. More people are applying now than ever, which brings in more competition and a better applicant field. The worlds changing and not for the better, the least people can do is not be ignorant towards it.
    EH is right. It's ungodly expensive, bachelor's are a dime a dozen, almost equivalent to a HS diploma for those coming into the work force. The trade jobs are great and I have tremendous respect for them, but I would not want my son working construction at 50, or hanging drywall. Someone has to do it and I respect that work, but I'm pushing my kids for something different.
    Factory jobs are too risky long term. They will be automated or outsourced.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    callen said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    callen said:

    Taxes fund the military. Taxes fund GI bill.

    Proof please to your claim on what pays for the GI Bill. Because back when I was in the money I had to pay to get it funded the program. It may have changed since they increased it after I got out, but this is not correct on how it was back then.
    Taxes paid for GI bill. Did you have a side job while in the military and used that monkey to pay a separate fund that fully funded the GI bill? No.

    perhaps this is the answer to many, many things.....simply get a side monkey to help make ends meet...
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    I am a VP and hire people frequently with limited experience and basic degrees for entry level jobs.
    It is about the drive, a willingness to learn, and work ethic -- if you can demonstrate those things during the interview I would prefer to hire people just out of school. Cheaper, more potential, more energy, no bad habits to re-teach, etc.

    Keep your head up -- an amazingly stressful time of your life and just keep hammering away. You will do well.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    And, fwiw, I do think it is more challenging to get into "good" schools today -- the numbers strongly support that.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rollings said:

    callen said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    callen said:

    Taxes fund the military. Taxes fund GI bill.

    Proof please to your claim on what pays for the GI Bill. Because back when I was in the money I had to pay to get it funded the program. It may have changed since they increased it after I got out, but this is not correct on how it was back then.
    Taxes paid for GI bill. Did you have a side job while in the military and used that monkey to pay a separate fund that fully funded the GI bill? No.

    perhaps this is the answer to many, many things.....simply get a side monkey to help make ends meet...
    I'm thinking bigger: get a bunch of side monkeys and kick ass.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    Pushing your kids into anything that rings of importance to you but has no happiness for them will only last so long. Just remember that. We need to let our kids learn for themselves and take risks and learn what failure is. I agree with getting a good base college education. But we can't dictate their lives Or make their choices for them. They have to find their own happiness and a way to make a living.
    Post edited by Free on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,881
    F Me In The Brain said:

    I am a VP and hire people frequently with limited experience and basic degrees for entry level jobs.
    It is about the drive, a willingness to learn, and work ethic -- if you can demonstrate those things during the interview I would prefer to hire people just out of school. Cheaper, more potential, more energy, no bad habits to re-teach, etc.

    Keep your head up -- an amazingly stressful time of your life and just keep hammering away. You will do well.

    This is precisely right. You hire them right out of school and you watch them. People with the right work ethic and can do most jobs in a general business environment (not highly technical work like programming, accounting, etc.). The cream rises and you invest in that person. They are more motivated and are willing to do almost anything you need done.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rollings said:

    callen said:

    Amongst the Ani said:

    callen said:

    Taxes fund the military. Taxes fund GI bill.

    Proof please to your claim on what pays for the GI Bill. Because back when I was in the money I had to pay to get it funded the program. It may have changed since they increased it after I got out, but this is not correct on how it was back then.
    Taxes paid for GI bill. Did you have a side job while in the military and used that monkey to pay a separate fund that fully funded the GI bill? No.

    perhaps this is the answer to many, many things.....simply get a side monkey to help make ends meet...
    I'm thinking bigger: get a bunch of side monkeys and kick ass.
    team monkey

    let's do this

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