Senator Warren made a bad mistake. She joined 27 Democrats from across the political spectrum-- from good ones like Tammy Baldwin, Tom Harkin and Sherrod Brown to the careful careerists like Kirsten Gillibrand, Bob Casey, Debbie Stabenow, and Jeanne Shaheen all the way to the worst worthless trash in the Democratic caucus like Joe Donnelly, Mark Pryor and Max Baucus-- to vote down an amendment by Bernie Sanders to permit States to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient." Yep, only 26 Democrats plus Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski supported a bill to deal with GMO foods.
UPDATE: Elizabeth Warren Supports GMO-Labeling
Her Press Secretary, Lacey Rose gave me this statement after the vote yesterday: "The Senator supports labeling and supports the rights of states to set labeling standards based on health and safety. She supports the purpose of the Sanders amendment but voted no because the proposal would have eliminated the ability of the FDA to force states to comply with a more pro-consumer standard in the future."
I do think her co-opting of Flint and the tragedy there is particularly shameless.
Has anything been done yet? Something needs to be done NOW not a year from now.
Rachel Maddow brought it to my attention months ago and hasn't let up since. There are voices everywhere bringing attention to it, many trying to do something about it including the band we love, but in the end it will never be enough for those kids.
That isn't my point though. Hillary Clinton went there as part of her campaign. That is shameless.
Did you read the first post though? That first post about 2 prominant women attempting to shame young women to vote for Hillary is what's shaming. I feel that you are attempting to change the topic. Difference between two candidates... Bernie calls out supporters that make sexist comments, Hillary has them campaigning for her.
Anyone working to get something done in Flint is far from shameless. However, helping in one area does not make one a saint especially if you're a politician. Everything done by a politician is for votes.
Did you read the first post though? That first post about 2 prominant women attempting to shame young women to vote for Hillary is what's shaming. I feel that you are attempting to change the topic. Difference between two candidates... Bernie calls out supporters that make sexist comments, Hillary has them campaigning for her.
Anyone working to get something done is far from shameless. However, helping in one area does not make one a saint.
You are right on your first point, this probably belongs in a different thread. On the second point...I don't think she would have been anywhere near Flint if not for this campaign and I do think it is shameless. I stand by that.
Happy to pick the argument up in a more appropriate thread than this, though.
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I think it's safe to say that any woman (everywhere) not jeering about the shaming of the Clinton camp shaming other women is obviously NOT PRO WOMAN! If you support women ( or any specific group), you support ALL. Not just those voting for your person. Just an observation.
I think it's safe to say that any woman (everywhere) not jeering about the shaming of the Clinton camp shaming other women is obviously NOT PRO WOMAN! If you support women ( or any specific group), you support ALL. Not just those voting for your person. Just an observation.
I feel like I should get this tattooed on my forehead. "Intersectional feminism is:"
Senator Warren made a bad mistake. She joined 27 Democrats from across the political spectrum-- from good ones like Tammy Baldwin, Tom Harkin and Sherrod Brown to the careful careerists like Kirsten Gillibrand, Bob Casey, Debbie Stabenow, and Jeanne Shaheen all the way to the worst worthless trash in the Democratic caucus like Joe Donnelly, Mark Pryor and Max Baucus-- to vote down an amendment by Bernie Sanders to permit States to require that any food, beverage, or other edible product offered for sale have a label on indicating that the food, beverage, or other edible product contains a genetically engineered ingredient." Yep, only 26 Democrats plus Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski supported a bill to deal with GMO foods.
UPDATE: Elizabeth Warren Supports GMO-Labeling
Her Press Secretary, Lacey Rose gave me this statement after the vote yesterday: "The Senator supports labeling and supports the rights of states to set labeling standards based on health and safety. She supports the purpose of the Sanders amendment but voted no because the proposal would have eliminated the ability of the FDA to force states to comply with a more pro-consumer standard in the future."
According to today’s Washington Post, the Democratic National Committee has quietly reversed restrictions banning donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees -- restrictions that were put in place by Barack Obama when he was the Democratic candidate for president in 2008. (The DNC’s sweeping reversal of the previous was confirmed by three Democratic lobbyists who said they have already received solicitations from the DNC.) According to the Post, Hillary Clinton has set up a joint fundraising committee with the DNC and the new rules are likely to provide her with an advantage.
To my mind, this is the worst aspect of insider-dominated crony capitalism – the rigging of our system by big money. It’s exactly what Americans are reacting against in this election. It’s precisely what the movement to take back our democracy and economy from the moneyed interests is all about. The DNC appears to be nothing but siphon for more corruption.
I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
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I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
I agree! One of the most basic principals of the place I worked at for 10 years (mental health center); You do NOT transport classified information without major incription and definitely not on an outside email server. It's irresponsible and puts lives at risk. It was pretty black and white as to the policy and discipline procedures if one was caught doing such a thing...FIRED! I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but the basic principal applies. Do you want someone being president that chooses her personal convenience over following some of the most basic rules of her job position? Rules that could have dire consequences to the safety of millions! I just don't get it...
I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
maybe sanders has pulled her to the left?
i think it is good for the country that he has.
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I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
They've been after Hillary ever since she was an attorney for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation. Decades of crap thrown at her and it's hurt her reputation for sure. But I believe what I see... and that's how it will remain. I'll believe that Congress is truly interested in the topic of emails and servers and national security when they subpoena Powell and Rice for public testimony. It only makes sense if that's a real issue. Otherwise it's just crap. Have a beautiful week you guys.
I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
They've been after Hillary ever since she was an attorney for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation. Decades of crap thrown at her and it's hurt her reputation for sure. But I believe what I see... and that's how it will remain. I'll believe that Congress is truly interested in the topic of emails and servers and national security when they subpoena Powell and Rice for public testimony. It only makes sense if that's a real issue. Otherwise it's just crap. Have a beautiful week you guys.
So the FBI investigation is a political ploy? Maybe it is time to take your blinders off.
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I do believe Trey Gowdy's investigation of Secretary Clinton is crap.
I do not believe the FBI's investigation of Secretary Clinton is crap.
Agreed, The FBI who is run by the DoJ, is running the important investigation. Now we will see some politics if they have enough evidence to indict and the Attorney General does nothing.
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FBI is doing its job, to investigate any practices that may be corrupt and illegal. I would think we would all want the FBI to investigate our politicians to find out the truth.
I am sorry Kat but you keep saying that Hillary is qualified to be the POTUS. I am not sure. I work in a place that handles classified materials. If I took 1 document out of the secured location I would fired and face criminal charges. Her blatant disregard for this makes me question her integrity. She has flip flopped on many issue just to get votes. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to what she believes in rather than pander to voters. Sure people can change their minds but it seems more for the benefit of votes rather than changing her mind.
They've been after Hillary ever since she was an attorney for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation. Decades of crap thrown at her and it's hurt her reputation for sure. But I believe what I see... and that's how it will remain. I'll believe that Congress is truly interested in the topic of emails and servers and national security when they subpoena Powell and Rice for public testimony. It only makes sense if that's a real issue. Otherwise it's just crap. Have a beautiful week you guys.
I have to agree with this point of view. Not blinders - common sense.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Kat, understanding how you feel about the emails, how do you feel about everything else that's been written here about what the Clinton team and the DNC is doing to rig this nomination. do you support this? Is it because you support Hillary regardless of the lying and scheming she's done?
Kay, understanding how you feel about the emails, how do you feel about everything else that we've written hear about with the Clayton team is doing to rig this nomination.
I feel fine about it. I agree. I also think that Clinton is being vilified more than she probably deserves generally. Yes, she is in bed with corporations and I HATE that. But she isn't extraordinary in this way - she's really going with the flow of shit running through Washington, so I don't know why she is being so specifically being called out for that - I don't recall people going after all of the other nominees and winners who were exactly the same. And that is why I like Bernie Sanders.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Vilified? (BTW, it was directed to Kat, w/ some fixed misspellings). Look it up, The facts are all out there on Hillary. Choosing to keep blinders on is not seeing the truth and saying all the politicians are? That's true. I don't support them either. Sanders is the only man for the people, ALL people. I won't be going to vote any crooks into office again.
Vilified? (BTW, it was directed to Kat, w/ some fixed misspellings). Look it up, The facts are all out there on Hillary. Choosing to keep blinders on is not seeing the truth and saying all the politicians are? That's true. I don't support them either. Sanders is the only man for the people, ALL people. I won't be going to vote any crooks into office again.
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http://2paragraphs.com/2013/06/sen-elizabeth-warren-responds-to-pulitzer-winner-jane-smiley-on-monsanto/
That isn't my point though. Hillary Clinton went there as part of her campaign. That is shameless.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Anyone working to get something done in Flint is far from shameless. However, helping in one area does not make one a saint especially if you're a politician. Everything done by a politician is for votes.
Happy to pick the argument up in a more appropriate thread than this, though.
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i think it is good for the country that he has.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/
They've been after Hillary ever since she was an attorney for the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate investigation. Decades of crap thrown at her and it's hurt her reputation for sure. But I believe what I see... and that's how it will remain. I'll believe that Congress is truly interested in the topic of emails and servers and national security when they subpoena Powell and Rice for public testimony. It only makes sense if that's a real issue. Otherwise it's just crap. Have a beautiful week you guys.
I do not believe the FBI's investigation of Secretary Clinton is crap.
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To play on that