Women being shamed to vote for Hillary

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I support good people, period. Those in whom I believe and who have proven themselves in my eyes, whether through politics, life, this forum - lots of different walks and mindsets.

    How about Trump is just an asshole? Why is it OK to label him with the overused "old white male" thing but hands-off when speaking about a woman? Seems like a double-standard.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Kat said:

    Hillary's the most qualified and women don't need to be shamed to vote for her. I've heard that's something that Madeline Albright was saying for years, about a special place in hell for women who don't "support" other women but it's not necessary any more. Most women finally realized they need to support each other so we can progress.
    P.S. It's also not necessary to use nasty and sexist language if you disagree with a candidate.

    I'm not sure she is the most qualified, Bernie has been a more progressive politician for much longer, and Hillary's time as Sec of State was very short and was not a smashing success. I don't think she is more qualified than Bernie, I think they have different strengths of resume that are relatively equal.

    If it's a real, true progressive that you are after, the choice couldn't be any clearer.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    You missed the point. Amen.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,989
    Bernie's just not talking about the issues I care about. He's a very nice man but I'm just not into him. :)
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    Kat said:

    Hillary's the most qualified and women don't need to be shamed to vote for her. I've heard that's something that Madeline Albright was saying for years, about a special place in hell for women who don't "support" other women but it's not necessary any more. Most women finally realized they need to support each other so we can progress.
    P.S. It's also not necessary to use nasty and sexist language if you disagree with a candidate.

    I'm not sure she is the most qualified, Bernie has been a more progressive politician for much longer, and Hillary's time as Sec of State was very short and was not a smashing success. I don't think she is more qualified than Bernie, I think they have different strengths of resume that are relatively equal.

    If it's a real, true progressive that you are after, the choice couldn't be any clearer.
    Hillary is very well qualified.., at taking money from big banks and corporations and being a typical politician not making any real substantial difference in the lives of the people of this country, unless you're comfortably upper middle class.

    Not ONCE, does she talking about the vanishing middle class or people living in poverty. Not ONCE. All she can talk about is how much money she receives to talk and how she's suddenly progressive.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Madeline Albright caused Hillary to lose even more voters.
  • failedpersephone
    failedpersephone Posts: 3,424
    I think it's interesting that Bernie's progressiveness is used as a sign that he is the direction the Democratic Party should be going. He has not been a Democrat for very long. (since 2015) I am all for him running for President, I do wonder at his extremely recent switch from an Independent to a Democratic Candidate. He should be running as an independent and leaving the Democratic race to the actual democrats. His political career has spanned over 30 years of elected office. (since 81, I believe) all as an independent. I think I would respect him more, as a politician, and his movement were he not making such an obvious grab at a more viable (and war-chest heavy) political party.

    Back to the topic at hand, I think that saying women are being "shamed" for choosing to not vote for the gender-female candidate is oversimplifying the matter.

    Madeleine Albright has been saying that statement for years, she has recently adapted it to fit her own support of Hillary. Hillary is an old-time feminist, something that I think younger women have a different view point on. the word Feminism just last year was (controversially) "retired" something that needs to be remembered during this current political season. We, as gendered females should recall that we are right now experiencing political power put in our hands by the fight and wit and (sometimes dirty grabbing) of our predecessors. To pretend that we are at a place where the gender of our candidates doesn't matter, is to cut that connection to the struggle which is ongoing. The fight to be viewed as equals is not over. It's a truth of current society that we cannot actually claim "best candidate, period" when, in fact the candidacy has always been gendered.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Free said:

    Madeline Albright caused Hillary to lose even more voters.

    I think you are right there. Never insult the voter....unless of course you are Trump. His supporters seem to love eating shit sandwiches.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,989
    You can believe your own eyes and ears.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/hillary-clinton-2016-_n_7784722.html

    I'm going to keep forming my opinion based on what I see, not on what someone else is saying. Everyone can have their own opinion but it should be based on fact. Ok, have a beautiful day. :)

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  • failedpersephone
    failedpersephone Posts: 3,424
    Kat said:

    You can believe your own eyes and ears.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/hillary-clinton-2016-_n_7784722.html

    I'm going to keep forming my opinion based on what I see, not on what someone else is saying. Everyone can have their own opinion but it should be based on fact. Ok, have a beautiful day. :)

    Hillary has been fighting since her HUSBAND'S political career started. She has been a progressive Democrat, who understands the way political systems work, and has proven leadership.

    BTW, thanks Kat for posting this. keepin' it issues driven shows her at her best.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Good, the longer Bernie stays in this the farther he will drag Hillary to the left.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    That Huff Post article is from July. She hasn't been talking about middle-class problems in any of the recent debates.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,989
    edited February 2016
    I would love nothing better than for the nation's politics to swing way left but it's important to think about what the general election will be like. I visualize new Democrat Bernie being pasted with hammers and sickles and labeled a Communist because people will be told to be afraid even more than they are now and they won't bother to look it up. Our elected officials are mostly in the center because the extremes do not win. That's just the way it usually shakes out. It's important to me that the next president be Democratic and leftist because it's definite they will nominate for the Supreme Court, unless the existing court can live forever. The stakes are high.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    The only way Sanders has a chance with a two-party system, is to join one of the two parties. I am an independent, not a Democrat. But it's quite obvious that you cannot win in United States for POTUS if you're not in one of the two parties.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,989
    Free said:

    That Huff Post article is from July. She hasn't been talking about middle-class problems in any of the recent debates.

    I believe she frames it as income-inequality....all the inequalities she talks about. It means the same to me. :)
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  • failedpersephone
    failedpersephone Posts: 3,424
    Free said:

    The only way Sanders has a chance with a two-party system, is to join one of the two parties. I am an independent, not a Democrat. But it's quite obvious that you cannot win in United States for POTUS if you're not in one of the two parties.

    You don't see this as a problem of integrity? I am wondering, because Hillary is constantly getting tagged on her integrity. Also her "likeability"

    Perhaps his revolution against the "establishment" should include a revolution against the 2-party system.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    I'd like to know the number of those having a difficult time with making a livable wage that believes Hillary will solve that problem, if elected.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,615
    callen said:

    JimmyV said:

    The simple fact is that if Hillary Clinton was a better candidate this wouldn't be an issue.

    She's sure as hell a better candidate than all the R's.
    Of course. But not only is she currently not running against the Republicans, that is also an INCREDIBLY low bar. :wink:
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,989
    Is everyone going to vote in like-minded candidates for the Congress? To my mind, that would make a difference.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Kat said:

    Is everyone going to vote in like-minded candidates for the Congress? To my mind, that would make a difference.

    There are a whole lot of seat up for grabs!! The Congress though is so heavily gerrymandered dems are going to struggle until it move back to the center.
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