The New York Times published it's first Cover Editorial in 95 years today

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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    It's not the calling for stricter gun laws that I take exception to. In fact, I think more should be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. What I find objectionable are phrases like "Guns don't kill people, older white responsible gun owners do." or the insinuation that all gun owners are responsible until they're not. The blanket judgment of all gun owners as illiterate, inbred rednecks is popular here too.

    Of course there are differences between the actions taken against Muslims and gun owners. Only an idiot would argue otherwise. However, the public perception of law abiding gun owners is under attack, especially here on AMT. The fact that some of those people who pass judgement against gun owners based on the actions of a few are some of the same people defending Muslims despite the actions of a few, is pretty hypocritical, IMO.

    Fine, but you're talking about tongue in cheek comments on this board, not about a JUDGE sprewing hate on a massive international news network.
    Does the source change the behavior or the fact that that behavior is hypocritical?
    I don't really give a shit of that nasty woman is a hypocritical asshole as an individual. It matters because her position strongly affects the perceptions of the audience. The Fox audience is much more likely to take what she says to heart if she supposedly has the "wisdom" and "knowledge" of a judge.
    Do you understand what we are talking about? I'm not saying that the judge is a hypocrite. I'm saying that the people who defend Muslims even though a few of them do nasty things are the same people condemning all gun owners based on the actions of a few bad ones.

    The judge is a total moron. She just brought up one good point.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited December 2015
    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    It's not the calling for stricter gun laws that I take exception to. In fact, I think more should be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. What I find objectionable are phrases like "Guns don't kill people, older white responsible gun owners do." or the insinuation that all gun owners are responsible until they're not. The blanket judgment of all gun owners as illiterate, inbred rednecks is popular here too.

    Of course there are differences between the actions taken against Muslims and gun owners. Only an idiot would argue otherwise. However, the public perception of law abiding gun owners is under attack, especially here on AMT. The fact that some of those people who pass judgement against gun owners based on the actions of a few are some of the same people defending Muslims despite the actions of a few, is pretty hypocritical, IMO.

    Fine, but you're talking about tongue in cheek comments on this board, not about a JUDGE sprewing hate on a massive international news network.
    Does the source change the behavior or the fact that that behavior is hypocritical?
    I don't really give a shit of that nasty woman is a hypocritical asshole as an individual. It matters because her position strongly affects the perceptions of the audience. The Fox audience is much more likely to take what she says to heart if she supposedly has the "wisdom" and "knowledge" of a judge.
    Do you understand what we are talking about? I'm not saying that the judge is a hypocrite. I'm saying that the people who defend Muslims even though a few of them do nasty things are the same people condemning all gun owners based on the actions of a few bad ones.

    The judge is a total moron. She just brought up one good point.
    Who is condemning gun owners? If I want common sense gun restrictions I'm condemning gun owners?
    Post edited by dignin on
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    dignin said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    It's not the calling for stricter gun laws that I take exception to. In fact, I think more should be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. What I find objectionable are phrases like "Guns don't kill people, older white responsible gun owners do." or the insinuation that all gun owners are responsible until they're not. The blanket judgment of all gun owners as illiterate, inbred rednecks is popular here too.

    Of course there are differences between the actions taken against Muslims and gun owners. Only an idiot would argue otherwise. However, the public perception of law abiding gun owners is under attack, especially here on AMT. The fact that some of those people who pass judgement against gun owners based on the actions of a few are some of the same people defending Muslims despite the actions of a few, is pretty hypocritical, IMO.

    Fine, but you're talking about tongue in cheek comments on this board, not about a JUDGE sprewing hate on a massive international news network.
    Does the source change the behavior or the fact that that behavior is hypocritical?
    I don't really give a shit of that nasty woman is a hypocritical asshole as an individual. It matters because her position strongly affects the perceptions of the audience. The Fox audience is much more likely to take what she says to heart if she supposedly has the "wisdom" and "knowledge" of a judge.
    Do you understand what we are talking about? I'm not saying that the judge is a hypocrite. I'm saying that the people who defend Muslims even though a few of them do nasty things are the same people condemning all gun owners based on the actions of a few bad ones.

    The judge is a total moron. She just brought up one good point.
    Who is condemning gun owners? If I want common sense gun restrictions I'm condemning gun owners?
    I already explained this. Scroll up if you want to know.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    It's not the calling for stricter gun laws that I take exception to. In fact, I think more should be done to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. What I find objectionable are phrases like "Guns don't kill people, older white responsible gun owners do." or the insinuation that all gun owners are responsible until they're not. The blanket judgment of all gun owners as illiterate, inbred rednecks is popular here too.

    Of course there are differences between the actions taken against Muslims and gun owners. Only an idiot would argue otherwise. However, the public perception of law abiding gun owners is under attack, especially here on AMT. The fact that some of those people who pass judgement against gun owners based on the actions of a few are some of the same people defending Muslims despite the actions of a few, is pretty hypocritical, IMO.

    Fine, but you're talking about tongue in cheek comments on this board, not about a JUDGE sprewing hate on a massive international news network.
    Does the source change the behavior or the fact that that behavior is hypocritical?
    I don't really give a shit of that nasty woman is a hypocritical asshole as an individual. It matters because her position strongly affects the perceptions of the audience. The Fox audience is much more likely to take what she says to heart if she supposedly has the "wisdom" and "knowledge" of a judge.
    Do you understand what we are talking about? I'm not saying that the judge is a hypocrite. I'm saying that the people who defend Muslims even though a few of them do nasty things are the same people condemning all gun owners based on the actions of a few bad ones.

    The judge is a total moron. She just brought up one good point.
    I already answered this in my previous post above......
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  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    Trump, I think.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    Trump, I think.
    Right. And a bunch of talking heads, and a bunch of yokels in the general public. All over social media, on Fox News, etc etc. Plenty of people.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    edited December 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    Trump, I think.
    Right. And a bunch of talking heads, and a bunch of yokels in the general public. All over social media, on Fox News, etc etc. Plenty of people.
    oh geez really? that's freaking terrible.
    are they say to get rid of their rights or just hammering the point that no other muslims should be let in until we get this straightened out?
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    edited December 2015

    If by those people you mean gang members, then yes. Gang members are not typically law abiding citizens.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    ldent42 said:

    the argument is that those people dont count cuz theyre not responsible, law abiding gun owners.

    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    At least implied by that Fox News Judge What's-Her-Name for one.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    brianlux said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    At least implied by that Fox News Judge What's-Her-Name for one.
    Absolute terrible. That woman should be fired. Wtf
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited December 2015
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    Trump, I think.
    Right. And a bunch of talking heads, and a bunch of yokels in the general public. All over social media, on Fox News, etc etc. Plenty of people.
    oh geez really? that's freaking terrible.
    are they say to get rid of their rights or just hammering the point that no other muslims should be let in until we get this straightened out?
    Gee, are you being facetious?
    They are talking about registering all Muslims in a database and shit. You know that.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    mcgruff10 said:

    brianlux said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    ldent42 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Well there ya go. Nice research ident42!

    Thanks. But honestly I just leave NY1 on in the background while I'm doing stuff. :lol:
    Ok so we have one instance since the massacre where a Muslim was attacked for being Muslim.
    One reported instance. That someone on here noticed. I think it's safe to say most of the time these type of crimes won't go reported at all much less make local news. I know Trump hasn't made a physical attack, but I kind of think his words should count.
    I agree. The attacks aren't just physical. Verbal attacks are beyond common at this point as far as I can tell - hell, people are screaming them out at football games. Suggesting that Muslims be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany seems like a profound attack to me as well!
    who the heck is saying Muslims should be treated like Jews in Nazi German?!?!
    At least implied by that Fox News Judge What's-Her-Name for one.
    Absolute terrible. That woman should be fired. Wtf
    Yes, McG. Good call.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    What's McG doing here? I am sensing sarcasm!
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    PJ_Soul said:

    What's McG doing here? I am sensing sarcasm!

    No I swear I m not! I heard what trump said but didn't see this fucking nutty idea of putting Muslims in a database. I m really starting to see coorleations to 1930s Germany.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    What's McG doing here? I am sensing sarcasm!

    No I swear I m not! I heard what trump said but didn't see this fucking nutty idea of putting Muslims in a database. I m really starting to see coorleations to 1930s Germany.
    My apologies then! My sarcasm detector never did work very well. :tongue:
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    I still have faith in this country to show the world that we are not a nation of bigoted closed minded population we are still the place where good prevails over evil that we reject people like this creep judge or someone like Trump ....... at least i hope so
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  • ldent42
    ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    josevolution said:

    I still have faith in this country to show the world that we are not a nation of bigoted closed minded population we are still the place where good prevails over evil that we reject people like this creep judge or someone like Trump ....... at least i hope so

    how would we do that?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    josevolution said:

    I still have faith in this country to show the world that we are not a nation of bigoted closed minded population we are still the place where good prevails over evil that we reject people like this creep judge or someone like Trump ....... at least i hope so

    It's pretty hard to proclaim that America rejects creeps like that judge or Trump when that judge is employed by the nation's biggest news network and Trump is leading the polls to be nominated as a candidate for the office of POTUS. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... :confounded:
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