The New York Times published it's first Cover Editorial in 95 years today

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html?login=email

tempo_n_groove

I read this.

One problem I do see is now you ban all the assault/military type weapons.

Lets say people paid THOUSANDS for them. Are they getting fair market value?

Guns are like currency. They are always worth something.

mcgruff10

fifth amendment says they have to get fair market value. where's this money coming from?

PJ_Soul

Guns are not like currency.

brianlux

Kudos to NY Times for this editorial.

"It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection."

dudeman

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

PJ_Soul

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

dudeman

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.

PJ_Soul

dudeman said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.

Okay. I personally think that a gun is a gun is a gun. Where I am from anyone who has a gun for any reason other than hunting is pretty much considered a total weirdo (or a criminal). They are the fringe.

dudeman

Ok.

FWIW, I don't own any "assault weapons".

You can still think I'm a weirdo, though. LOL!

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun:
Hand gun: Paper weight.
Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters.
Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs.
Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar.
Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat!
Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along!
And my favorite: A flower vase!

Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!

PJ_Soul

dudeman said:

Ok.

FWIW, I don't own any "assault weapons".

You can still think I'm a weirdo, though. LOL!

Aren't you American? It's all relative. You're not a weirdo in the US. Just in Canada. (funny but actually kind of true)

dudeman

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun:
Hand gun: Paper weight.
Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters.
Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs.
Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar.
Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat!
Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along!
And my favorite: A flower vase!

Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!

This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.

Classic!

Bentleyspop

dudeman said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.

One murder with a military style assault weapon is one too many

dudeman

One murder period is one too many.

brianlux

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun:
Hand gun: Paper weight.
Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters.
Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs.
Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar.
Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat!
Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along!
And my favorite: A flower vase!

Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!

This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.

Classic!

Haha! I'm glad you saw the humor in it. The thing is, I'm more anti-gun than I used to be because we seem to have adopted a cavalier "it's our God given right to own a gun" attitude in the US. I'm not died-in-the-wool 100% against gun ownership- I just simply believe it is too easy to obtain them in the US and believe we could do far more to make sure they aren't so readily available. And the other things is, if we worked more on solving social problems, inequality, inequity, mental health issues, etc., maybe people would not feel so paranoid and gun-dependent.

rgambs

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

When was the last time somebody killed 10+ people in a few minutes with a hammer? Never.

Bentleyspop

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

When was the last time somebody killed 10+ people in a few minutes with a hammer? Never.

Guns don't kill people





Gun owners with legally purchased and registered guns kill people

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

Guns are not like currency.

Fifth amendment still says you have to get fair market value. I m not about to give away a $1200 ww2 rifle for pennies on the dollar.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

dudeman said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:

And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.

Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.

This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.

Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.

No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun:
Hand gun: Paper weight.
Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters.
Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs.
Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar.
Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat!
Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along!
And my favorite: A flower vase!

Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!

This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.

Classic!

Haha! I'm glad you saw the humor in it. The thing is, I'm more anti-gun than I used to be because we seem to have adopted a cavalier "it's our God given right to own a gun" attitude in the US. I'm not died-in-the-wool 100% against gun ownership- I just simply believe it is too easy to obtain them in the US and believe we could do far more to make sure they aren't so readily available. And the other things is, if we worked more on solving social problems, inequality, inequity, mental health issues, etc., maybe people would not feel so paranoid and gun-dependent.

Great post bri and I fully agree with everything you said. I m all for background checks and training, just don't ban guns.

BS44325

This editorial was done to avoid dealing with the issue at hand. Islamic radicalism and the failure of the Obama administration to develop any strategy to confront it. ISIS is not contained.