With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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brianlux
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Kudos to NY Times for this editorial.
"It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection."
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.
Okay. I personally think that a gun is a gun is a gun. Where I am from anyone who has a gun for any reason other than hunting is pretty much considered a total weirdo (or a criminal). They are the fringe.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun: Hand gun: Paper weight. Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters. Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs. Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar. Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat! Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along! And my favorite: A flower vase! Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun: Hand gun: Paper weight. Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters. Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs. Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar. Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat! Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along! And my favorite: A flower vase! Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.
Classic!
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
Murders with the weapons in that article are not of the epidemic proportions that the fear mongering media would have us believe. Handguns are used in way more murders.
One murder with a military style assault weapon is one too many
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun: Hand gun: Paper weight. Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters. Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs. Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar. Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat! Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along! And my favorite: A flower vase! Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.
Classic!
Haha! I'm glad you saw the humor in it. The thing is, I'm more anti-gun than I used to be because we seem to have adopted a cavalier "it's our God given right to own a gun" attitude in the US. I'm not died-in-the-wool 100% against gun ownership- I just simply believe it is too easy to obtain them in the US and believe we could do far more to make sure they aren't so readily available. And the other things is, if we worked more on solving social problems, inequality, inequity, mental health issues, etc., maybe people would not feel so paranoid and gun-dependent.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun: Hand gun: Paper weight. Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters. Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs. Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar. Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat! Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along! And my favorite: A flower vase! Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.
Classic!
Haha! I'm glad you saw the humor in it. The thing is, I'm more anti-gun than I used to be because we seem to have adopted a cavalier "it's our God given right to own a gun" attitude in the US. I'm not died-in-the-wool 100% against gun ownership- I just simply believe it is too easy to obtain them in the US and believe we could do far more to make sure they aren't so readily available. And the other things is, if we worked more on solving social problems, inequality, inequity, mental health issues, etc., maybe people would not feel so paranoid and gun-dependent.
Great post bri and I fully agree with everything you said. I m all for background checks and training, just don't ban guns.
This editorial was done to avoid dealing with the issue at hand. Islamic radicalism and the failure of the Obama administration to develop any strategy to confront it. ISIS is not contained.
And yet these "assault weapons" are used in less murders than hammers and other blunt objects.
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
This argument is so stupid. I don't get why gun supporters constantly keep trotting it out. You all act like it's your best argument, while it's actually your worst.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
No, no, no, PJ_Soul. Guns are for much more than killing. Guns are useful for so many things. Think of all the useful ways to use a gun: Hand gun: Paper weight. Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters. Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs. Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar. Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat! Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along! And my favorite: A flower vase! Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
This post reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer got a gun. He used it for odd jobs around the house. I think he tried to use it to get a ball off of the roof for the kids.
Classic!
Haha! I'm glad you saw the humor in it. The thing is, I'm more anti-gun than I used to be because we seem to have adopted a cavalier "it's our God given right to own a gun" attitude in the US. I'm not died-in-the-wool 100% against gun ownership- I just simply believe it is too easy to obtain them in the US and believe we could do far more to make sure they aren't so readily available. And the other things is, if we worked more on solving social problems, inequality, inequity, mental health issues, etc., maybe people would not feel so paranoid and gun-dependent.
Agreed. I'm not what many people would consider a "gun nut". I don't own any scary, assault weapons and I don't have an arsenal. I do have a couple guns for home defense and personal protection.
FWIW, I was pretty much not interested in guns for much of my life. It was when people I loved started getting murdered that I became aware of the fact that the police and government aren't always available to protect you.
Edited to add: I don't have any issues with universal background checks or stricter screening procedures for gun owners. There are too many people who have guns that shouldn't.
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If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
^^^^ The terms stricter screening procedures, stronger background checks get used far too often without providing what it means. What is a strict or stricter screening to you? Just because you support strict background checks doesn't necessarily mean much.
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
FYI abuse of alcohol and drugs has a far higher correlation with violence than actual mental illness.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Requiem for the Dead: An American Spring but from that it was clear that people with criminal records get their hands on guns way too easily. There was a guy who had been jailed for sexual abuse and for intimidating a witness in a prosecution. He simply lied on the form to get a gun and clearly no checks were done. He was approved and purchased a handgun. He then went and murdered his children's stepfather right in front of them, before then killing himself.
It was absolutely horrifying
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WhatYouTaughtMe
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Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
FYI abuse of alcohol and drugs has a far higher correlation with violence than actual mental illness.
Maybe I'm wrong about this but I consider substance abuse issues to be a form of mental illness.
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If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
Cross check medical records for mental health issues, no guns for misdemeanor offenders if crime was violent, drug screening would be okay with me, too.
Is this not being done?, I really don't know.
Only fellons can't legally own guns. Judges have been known to put bans on esser criminals too.
I am a long time Life Endowment Member of the NRA. I own a firearm for home protection. I am ashamed of the NRA's position and fear they have turned into nothing more than a sycophantic lackey of the small arms industry. There is no reasonable patriotic stand to justify the ability of American citizens to purchase and own weapons of war. Try hunting duck or deer with an AK47. The design intent of these devises is simply to kill as many human beings as possible in the shortest amount of time. Our founding fathers allowed for civilian possession of firearms to keep a "well regulated militia" at the ready. Their intent was to protect patriots' rights to possess single shot muzzle-loading flintlocks. The NRA's arguments regarding automatic and semi-automatic modern weapons are specious and, frankly, irrational -- psychotic, if you will. America needs to eliminate small arms weapons of war from our streets, our communities and homes. To fail to do so is a grotesque abrogation of civic and civil responsibility. Enough is enough, the 2nd Amendment notwithstanding. Lee Edmundson Mendocino, California NRA Life Member
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One problem I do see is now you ban all the assault/military type weapons.
Lets say people paid THOUSANDS for them. Are they getting fair market value?
Guns are like currency. They are always worth something.
"It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection."
Yup. Let's round 'em up and destroy 'em all.
Guns are for killing. Hammers are for hammering. Pretty simple. The fact that people can potentially use anything hard or sharp that can be lifted up is totally and completely meaningless.
FWIW, I don't own any "assault weapons".
You can still think I'm a weirdo, though. LOL!
Hand gun: Paper weight.
Hand Gun: Use the but of a hand gun to drive push pins into walls to hand you posters.
Rifle: Rifle barrels to clear those hard-to-reach cobwebs.
Automatic weapons: AK47 secured across the top of a door jam to use as a pull up bar.
Shoot guns: Your friend forgot to bring his baseball bat to the gam? No problem, shoot gun bat!
Rifles: Rifle barrels make great inhalers for those massive piles of cocaine you brought along!
And my favorite: A flower vase!
Gun for everyone! Guns for fun! Woopie! Guns!
Classic!
Gun owners with legally purchased and registered guns kill people
FWIW, I was pretty much not interested in guns for much of my life. It was when people I loved started getting murdered that I became aware of the fact that the police and government aren't always available to protect you.
Edited to add: I don't have any issues with universal background checks or stricter screening procedures for gun owners. There are too many people who have guns that shouldn't.
The terms stricter screening procedures, stronger background checks get used far too often without providing what it means.
What is a strict or stricter screening to you?
Just because you support strict background checks doesn't necessarily mean much.
It was absolutely horrifying
There is no reasonable patriotic stand to justify the ability of American citizens to purchase and own weapons of war. Try hunting duck or deer with an AK47.
The design intent of these devises is simply to kill as many human beings as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Our founding fathers allowed for civilian possession of firearms to keep a "well regulated militia" at the ready. Their intent was to protect patriots' rights to possess single shot muzzle-loading flintlocks. The NRA's arguments regarding automatic and semi-automatic modern weapons are specious and, frankly, irrational -- psychotic, if you will.
America needs to eliminate small arms weapons of war from our streets, our communities and homes. To fail to do so is a grotesque abrogation of civic and civil responsibility.
Enough is enough, the 2nd Amendment notwithstanding.
Lee Edmundson
Mendocino, California
NRA Life Member