In This Country Is There Fear Of Black People?

muskydan

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

When I was in Chicago... a coaching colleague and myself rented a car and drove to the United Center. We parked- I think- North West of the venue and walked (about a half mile).

There was a school with what seemed to be 20 foot chain link fences around it and a park that had signage saying 'Drug Offences Carry Twice the Penalty". There was also a y-shaped, red brick residence that featured boarded up windows as well as windows decorated with flower pots.

We experienced something in this area (south west of where we parked- away from the economic sector and large towers) that was scary. I don't wish to get into the details because the story is long and best told over beer, but suffice to say... it was out of my comfort zone and an experience I don't wish to repeat.

Can someone from the area tell me which area we found ourselves in based on my crude description?

That would be Rockwell Gardens Thirty. It was torn down over 10 years ago. Now its town homes and condos. Used to chase shitheads all over those projects back it the day…Home of the Gangster Disicples…oh the good ole days when the job was fun

Thirty Bills Unpaid

CP3 and Musky...

Thanks.

Musky seemed to be a little more certain with his response to my vague description, but regardless... trust me when I say our experience there was fraught with tension.

Prince Of Dorkness

josevolution said:

The minority communities don't trust the police .................................

no, we don't. And why would we?

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think any reasonable person has some fear going into any neighborhood where there is a lot of crime and violence... Surely people aren't saying they won't go into these areas just ease they are full of black people???

And yeah, nope! I don't think that's been the gist of the comments, unless I've misread...?

Common sense, not color sense?

I don't know... the conversation turned to avoiding certain locations in this thread for a reason I thought...

PJ_Soul

Prince Of Dorkness said:

josevolution said:

The minority communities don't trust the police .................................

no, we don't. And why would we?

Not sure about the US, but I'm not sure that the majority population trusts the police up here.... Of course there is the acknowledgement that there are good cops. It's more a mistrust of the institution as a whole. I don't know too many people who have a good opinion of the RCMP as an organization, and i think a lot of people are very wary of cops these days. And then there is the Native community.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

Prince Of Dorkness said:

josevolution said:

The minority communities don't trust the police .................................

no, we don't. And why would we?

Not sure about the US, but I'm not sure that the majority population trusts the police up here.... Of course there is the acknowledgement that there are good cops. It's more a mistrust of the institution as a whole. I don't know too many people who have a good opinion of the RCMP as an organization, and i think a lot of people are very wary of cops these days. And then there is the Native community.

I don't know the circle of friends you are surrounded by but your broad brush stroke of how Canada perceives the Police/RCMP is way off.
The majority of our population definitely does not have a problem with the institution of our police.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Prince Of Dorkness said:

josevolution said:

The minority communities don't trust the police .................................

no, we don't. And why would we?

Not sure about the US, but I'm not sure that the majority population trusts the police up here.... Of course there is the acknowledgement that there are good cops. It's more a mistrust of the institution as a whole. I don't know too many people who have a good opinion of the RCMP as an organization, and i think a lot of people are very wary of cops these days. And then there is the Native community.

I don't know the circle of friends you are surrounded by but your broad brush stroke of how Canada perceives the Police/RCMP is way off.
The majority of our population definitely does not have a problem with the institution of our police.

How woud you know any better than I would?? Obviously you don't. Because you are so wrong. But I am just going from what I know from BC and from the news. I guess the prairies could feel differently.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

Well i don't know about that but it certainly doesn't apply to me. That sounds like a good theory if you're only talking about total morons.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

Well i don't know about that but it certainly doesn't apply to me. That sounds like a good theory if you're only talking about total morons.

Morons.

Love that word.

Total morons... awesome!

tempo_n_groove

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

Well i don't know about that but it certainly doesn't apply to me. That sounds like a good theory if you're only talking about total morons.

Morons.

Love that word.

Total morons... awesome!

As Tosh would say "nanny nanny boo boo stick your head in doo doo", lol.

PJfanwillneverleave1

OP
Do you think we have the same feeling up here?

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

In my opinion the RCMP are still respected across the country but they have taken a hit in the past 10 years or so with multiple scandals. All my encounters with them have been professional.

Local police are a totally different animal. I'm sure it differs from town to town and PD to PD. My hometown PD had a terrible reputation, and still do. It's a systematic problem there. In the cities I've lived in since the local PD have pretty good reputations.

I agree with PJSoul that only a total moron would confuse US events with Canadian events. I don't know anyone who makes that mistake. There is plenty of shitty police abuse stories to go around, Canada is not immune to this. We all have our stories.

I think one of the biggest differences between Canadian and American policing is our cops aren't as afraid of getting shot in any given situation they might encounter. Probably makes them less trigger happy. We just don't shoot each other as much up here. Thankfully.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'd agree with pjfan...

The RCMP are very well respected where I'm from. Very well respected.

Not were I'm from.

I know where you are from. If you are referring to your circle of friends... I can't contest that, but I don't know anyone out of an extensive and diverse range of people from the same area that think the RCMP sucks. It's quite the opposite in fact.

The Vancouver police department receives a fair bit of criticism though.

I am not referring to my circle of friends. The feelings about the RCMP in my area are indeed negative. But to put it in further context, I don't mean to suggest that the feelings here about the RCMP even come close to the current feelings about cops in the US right now. But i do still think that there is little trust in the RCMP as an institution Again, i'm not talking about random cops on the street level (although have you even gone online and seen how many people are posting video of what they, at the very least, consider police misconduct on the streets of Canada?? There is a lot of material! Some crap, some very worrying). I'm talking about systemic problems - I feel like many people are concerned about this. I would also argue that anyone who isn't concerned about that is being naive.

Systemic problems like every organization in Canada? Agreed. They are not without fault and always will be guilty of being imperfect... but they're pretty damn good at doing what we ask them to do.

I would contend that anyone in Canada overly concerned about police abuse in Canada read about US events and forget they're reading about US events.

In my opinion the RCMP are still respected across the country but they have taken a hit in the past 10 years or so with multiple scandals. All my encounters with them have been professional.

Local police are a totally different animal. I'm sure it differs from town to town and PD to PD. My hometown PD had a terrible reputation, and still do. It's a systematic problem there. In the cities I've lived in since the local PD have pretty good reputations.

I agree with PJSoul that only a total moron would confuse US events with Canadian events. I don't know anyone who makes that mistake. There is plenty of shitty police abuse stories to go around, Canada is not immune to this. We all have our stories.

I think one of the biggest differences between Canadian and American policing is our cops aren't as afraid of getting shot in any given situation they might encounter. Probably makes them less trigger happy. We just don't shoot each other as much up here. Thankfully.

I only made that 'US/Canada' comment to Soul as a retort to her 'anyone who thinks different is naive' comment (referring to her assertion that the RCMP are fraught with problems). Both comments are goofy.

The municipal police departments are typically comprised of those that couldn't get into the RCMP. Exceptions aside... there are always going to be poor performers in them tarnishing the department's image; however, let's remember that ultimately, if people didn't engage in crime so much... we wouldn't need cops in the first place.

The country isn't flush with the most desirable candidates for police work. Given the risk/reward ratio... many of those most suited for the job have steered clear of the profession. What do we do? Do we establish exceptional standards and regardless of need only accept those with the greatest aptitudes- leaving us shorthanded while criminals busy themselves with crime? Burning our best out in the process? Or do we take the best of what's around given the problems we face and accept the fact there are inherent problems with such a tactic?

HughFreakingDillon

I dont know about that. The cops I know never applied to the RCMP. They all wanted to be city cops. To suggest all or most city cops are RCMP rejects is unfair. And completely untrue.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dont know about that. The cops I know never applied to the RCMP. They all wanted to be city cops. To suggest all or most city cops are RCMP rejects is unfair. And completely untrue.

I said 'typically' because its not absolute. There are certainly strong performers within municipal detachments that chose location over benefits. I never intended to come across as disrespectful.

The RCMP pays much higher than municipal departments do with better benefits as well. With that said, municipal departments do not send you for a term in some shithole- you get to work where you want.

All I know sought employment with the RCMP and failing that... settled on a municipal detachment. Of course, that was some time ago. From what I understand now... it is far easier to gain employment with the RCMP than it was a decade or two ago.