In This Country Is There Fear Of Black People?
Pennsylvania Avenue SE on Monday evening pondering whether to withdraw money from the ATM. The teen said a woman pushing a baby stroller approached, and he held the vestibule door open for her.Yesterday a friend was telling me this story that happened in our nations capital DC. I once worked in DC and lived in MD and I've known about the continued gentrification of DC. There're places in DC where black youths just aren't seen or it has become uncomfortable to be there especially if you are a black youth.
The 18-year-old, who was with two friends, lingered about 20 seconds outside the Citibank near Eastern Market on Capitol Hill before leaving. Moments later, Goolsby said, he saw D.C. police cars racing toward him. One, he said, nearly hit him. The college freshman said he ran.
Three blocks away near Barracks Row, officers caught him. One of his friends recorded the tail end of Goolsby’s forceful detention — two white police officers on top of the screaming black teenager, trying to force his hands to his back while saying, “Stop resisting.” The friend aiming the cellphone camera repeatedly yelled, “He didn’t do anything.”
Goolsby didn’t know that he and his friends had been suspected of casing the ATM for a possible robbery. A caller to 911 reported suspicious youths loitering at the bank’s entrance and according to a transcript of her call made available Wednesday, said, “we just left but we felt like if we had taken money out we might’ve gotten robbed.”
What happened next is a sign of the power of social media to drive activism amid a climate of distrust of police and heightened concerns about racial profiling. Goolsby said an officer told him that the woman, who is white, called 911 because he had made her feel “uncomfortable.”
This story about a teen who went to an atm to withdraw $20....he received a text that his session was cancelled then pondered what to do next. He was with friends as a lady with a baby approached and the youth opened and held the door open for the woman. She then texted an app that alerted police because she basically felt threatened. Really, I wonder if she even ever thanked the youth.
In minutes police arrived they ran in fear of their lives then were caught....handcuffed etc. apparently they were never arrested but one could see how this could possibly have gone wrong in today's climate. Today's young black people appear to have it tough there seems to be no hesitation to judge them negatively under various situations.
Video of the handcuffing.....http://wjla.com/news/local/watch-video-of-black-man-arrested-by-two-white-cops-in-dc-goes-viral-prompts-protest
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White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
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So white people are the devil then?Prince Of Dorkness said:White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
And they're failing.
There is a lot of hate it your post, wow...
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White people...they...they're...them...Prince Of Dorkness said:White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
And they're failing.
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of course. it's the same in Canada with Aboriginals.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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He is. Which is why his post speaks with some authority. In addition this "white man" has experienced discriminatory actions directed toward him. As such has an understanding of it most here dontmookeywrench said:
White people...they...they're...them...Prince Of Dorkness said:White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
And they're failing.
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with this.HughFreakingDillon said:of course. it's the same in Canada with Aboriginals.
There are some similarities, but it's not close (although I have been led to believe relations are strained in Manitoba- leading out to think the way you do possibly- more than they might be in BC)."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
PoD, talking about white people individually or as a dirty collective? Is it odd that the only assumed fear of black people (silly in itself) would be only white people? Prejudice is pretty clearly demonstrated all around, pretty clearly seen.
Sorry, but while I see how the situation in g's initial post is fucked up, let's not let drama and broad brushes take over, please. Has that ever worked?
To answer the question in the subject line, no. Not for me.
The only true fear I've felt was based on situation, person, actions. Skin color and other silly separators, not even a consideration.0 -
you have been led to believe correctly. people in this city don't even go downtown because of it, except for Jets games.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this.HughFreakingDillon said:of course. it's the same in Canada with Aboriginals.
There are some similarities, but it's not close (although I have been led to believe relations are strained in Manitoba- leading out to think the way you do possibly- more than they might be in BC).
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I agree, although I think women also have some connection to this kind of understanding as well.mickeyrat said:
He is. Which is why his post speaks with some authority. In addition this "white man" has experienced discriminatory actions directed toward him. As such has an understanding of it most here dontmookeywrench said:
White people...they...they're...them...Prince Of Dorkness said:White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
And they're failing.
Are you not white?
Hedo, yes, of course it's not just white people who are racist towards non-whites. However, other non-white people aren't scared about non-white people finding equality. It really is a case of white vs non-white in this context, IMO. That fear is definitely exclusive to white folks, and it makes sense that they might be scared (we're of course generalizing here! I think that goes without saying, but around here sometimes you have to say it anyway, lol). As PoD said, they know how horrible they've been. For many, I think the idea of "payback" as an inevitability runs about as deep as racism does. But more than anything, they are scared that they won't be in charge anymore. No more comfy position as the top dog. Poor babies.
HFD, I'm not sure I agree with your comparison to Aboriginals in Canada either, namely because there are so few of them. But it might apply to non-white immigrants in Canada (whatever the generation and ethnicity).
Back to fear of black people.... obviously the whole black-crime connection (or lack thereof) makes people fearful in a more tangible sense than what we've been discussing..... that is a big fucking topic. Stats vs perceptions vs inequities in society and in the criminal justice system vs opportunities, etc etc.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Some are fearful yes.
Has nothing to do with the arrest though.
He ran.
This shitstorm is for nothing.0 -
I don't know why it is taught in inner cities to run from law enforcement. I've asked my buddies and they've told me that they just do...PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Some are fearful yes.
Has nothing to do with the arrest though.
He ran.
This shitstorm is for nothing.
The disdain for the law is uncanny.
Unfortunately cops don't have the gift of hindsight when approaching a scene/call and have to act as if life is on the line. I get that.
If you didn't do anything wrong you'll be let go though. That's what I don't get. Talk to the cops. Politeness goes a long way. If you did nothing you will be let go. It's not the 60's anymore. Cops will be held accountable if they do injustice.
Am I wrong to think this?0 -
No you are not wrong to think this. Today this is a lessen that will take time to me it appears for blacks youths to understand Joe Nab will be held accountable. They have seen them get away with injustice so many times I gather they feel it's best to run. I thought the same when they pulled up on them at the bank but who knows.....it could be the urgency in the way the cops approached them. Their instincts kicked in felt the need to take off it appears. I'm just glad nothing tragic happened after being taken in custody.tempo_n_groove said:
I don't know why it is taught in inner cities to run from law enforcement. I've asked my buddies and they've told me that they just do...PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Some are fearful yes.
Has nothing to do with the arrest though.
He ran.
This shitstorm is for nothing.
The disdain for the law is uncanny.
Unfortunately cops don't have the gift of hindsight when approaching a scene/call and have to act as if life is on the line. I get that.
If you didn't do anything wrong you'll be let go though. That's what I don't get. Talk to the cops. Politeness goes a long way. If you did nothing you will be let go. It's not the 60's anymore. Cops will be held accountable if they do injustice.
Am I wrong to think this?
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Recent highly publicized incidents would suggest that cops tend to not be punished for harming people of color (and women, for that matter.)tempo_n_groove said:
I don't know why it is taught in inner cities to run from law enforcement. I've asked my buddies and they've told me that they just do...PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Some are fearful yes.
Has nothing to do with the arrest though.
He ran.
This shitstorm is for nothing.
The disdain for the law is uncanny.
Unfortunately cops don't have the gift of hindsight when approaching a scene/call and have to act as if life is on the line. I get that.
If you didn't do anything wrong you'll be let go though. That's what I don't get. Talk to the cops. Politeness goes a long way. If you did nothing you will be let go. It's not the 60's anymore. Cops will be held accountable if they do injustice.
Am I wrong to think this?
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It's not wrong for you to think this applies to yourself, but this is the stuck point. Many white people have a trust of law enforcement and feel reassured that their role is to protect people. Many blacks have a distrust of law enforcement, and feel that their role is to control them, or hunt them down in a sense. That distrust isn't uncanny, it's understandable based on a long history of police abuse and racism in the judicial system. White people often apply this viewpoint when police abuse stories are in the media. They conclude the victim must of been doing something wrong because they have a built in trust of law enforcement. If a cop is obviously guilty of abuse, then they are a "bad apple".tempo_n_groove said:
I don't know why it is taught in inner cities to run from law enforcement. I've asked my buddies and they've told me that they just do...PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Some are fearful yes.
Has nothing to do with the arrest though.
He ran.
This shitstorm is for nothing.
The disdain for the law is uncanny.
Unfortunately cops don't have the gift of hindsight when approaching a scene/call and have to act as if life is on the line. I get that.
If you didn't do anything wrong you'll be let go though. That's what I don't get. Talk to the cops. Politeness goes a long way. If you did nothing you will be let go. It's not the 60's anymore. Cops will be held accountable if they do injustice.
Am I wrong to think this?
To respond to the op, it's built into us to fear black people, and we have to overcome this at a conscious level in our thinking. Some don't do this at all, and some feel fear unconsciously and respond accordingly, and some do a good job overcoming this. It's a component of white privilege that I can walk into a room where no one knows me, and I'm given a relatively high level of trust and it's assumed that I'm a good guy until I do something to prove differently. For blacks, it's often the opposite. They have a lower level of trust and are seen with suspicion until they prove that they're worthy of trust and respect.0 -
The minority communities don't trust the police .................................jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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it wasn't necessarily a comparison. obviously, the two cultures are WAY different. no aboriginals are getting gunned down by RCMP. I just meant that any time you have a predominantly marginilized group of people who have been oppressed by the dominant white European, it creates a lower economic class of people, which then the elite white become afraid of.PJ_Soul said:
I agree, although I think women also have some connection to this kind of understanding as well.mickeyrat said:
He is. Which is why his post speaks with some authority. In addition this "white man" has experienced discriminatory actions directed toward him. As such has an understanding of it most here dontmookeywrench said:
White people...they...they're...them...Prince Of Dorkness said:White people are finally seeing that they aren't in control anymore.
What do you think that "papers please" law in Arizona is about? It's about making non-white people afraid to go out in public. It's about making non-white people scared to venture out where white people can see them... they can get arrested just for being Hispanic or black. Yeah... I know it's "if the cop thinks they're not an American citizen," but really... it's about arresting people of colour for going outside in full view of white people.
White people have treated minorities so poorly for generations and they know it... and they know what's coming. And they know it's already here. White people are now doing all they can to try to stop the inevitable shift... they're doing all they can to jail and kill young black men, they're doing all they can to stop anyone but White Christians from entering the country.
And they're failing.
Are you not white?
Hedo, yes, of course it's not just white people who are racist towards non-whites. However, other non-white people aren't scared about non-white people finding equality. It really is a case of white vs non-white in this context, IMO. That fear is definitely exclusive to white folks, and it makes sense that they might be scared (we're of course generalizing here! I think that goes without saying, but around here sometimes you have to say it anyway, lol). As PoD said, they know how horrible they've been. For many, I think the idea of "payback" as an inevitability runs about as deep as racism does. But more than anything, they are scared that they won't be in charge anymore. No more comfy position as the top dog. Poor babies.
HFD, I'm not sure I agree with your comparison to Aboriginals in Canada either, namely because there are so few of them. But it might apply to non-white immigrants in Canada (whatever the generation and ethnicity).
Back to fear of black people.... obviously the whole black-crime connection (or lack thereof) makes people fearful in a more tangible sense than what we've been discussing..... that is a big fucking topic. Stats vs perceptions vs inequities in society and in the criminal justice system vs opportunities, etc etc.
trust me, in Winnipeg that's how it is. you walk downtown after the sun goes down, you see white people crossing to the other side of the street if they see more than 1 native walking towards them....if they are walking downtown at all.
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To a few comments above...
I think this thread is about the mentality white people may possess towards black people- fearful of them. The woman called the cops on the black kid as he was being courteous (thinking he was scoping her out).
The cops were called and seemed to act dutifully given how the kid ran. They aren't the issue in this case."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Spot on Jedi.hedonist said:PoD, talking about white people individually or as a dirty collective? Is it odd that the only assumed fear of black people (silly in itself) would be only white people? Prejudice is pretty clearly demonstrated all around, pretty clearly seen.
Sorry, but while I see how the situation in g's initial post is fucked up, let's not let drama and broad brushes take over, please. Has that ever worked?
To answer the question in the subject line, no. Not for me.
The only true fear I've felt was based on situation, person, actions. Skin color and other silly separators, not even a consideration.0
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