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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    dignin said:

    so a guy at my work who is upper middle class went off on a tangent again today about Justin bringing back the long form census. He said "I've voted for all parties over the years, I don't care who it is, but if you are spending my money, I don't like it". typical "me me me" nonsense. yeah, cause the census is such an awful thing for the government to do; to gather information about their constituents so they know where the money should be flowing. such a waste of money! all he sees is the dollar signs on it, not the benefit to spending it.

    Harper cancelled the long form census so he wouldn't have to make decisions based on evidence. Plain and simple.

    Actually you are 100% wrong with your reason.
    The Conservative government maintains that its reasoning for the cancellation is that they do not believe it is appropriate to force Canadians to divulge detailed personal information under threat of prosecution.

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/statement-on-2011-census-1289664.htm


    Yeah, no shit that's what they said. I think dignin's comment suggests that that wasn't the REAL reason... and I absolutely, 100% agree. It is laughable that anyone would believe that the Conservative government, of all things, cares about our privacy. You didn't really fall for that line, did you?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ^^^^
    Whether I fell for it or not the reason provided for the cancellation of the long form remains official.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    ^^^^
    Whether I fell for it or not the reason provided for the cancellation of the long form remains official.

    Wed all already knew that. It's an official lie. That was pretty much the whole point behind the comment, no?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,061
    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    so a guy at my work who is upper middle class went off on a tangent again today about Justin bringing back the long form census. He said "I've voted for all parties over the years, I don't care who it is, but if you are spending my money, I don't like it". typical "me me me" nonsense. yeah, cause the census is such an awful thing for the government to do; to gather information about their constituents so they know where the money should be flowing. such a waste of money! all he sees is the dollar signs on it, not the benefit to spending it.

    Harper cancelled the long form census so he wouldn't have to make decisions based on evidence. Plain and simple.

    Actually you are 100% wrong with your reason.
    The Conservative government maintains that its reasoning for the cancellation is that they do not believe it is appropriate to force Canadians to divulge detailed personal information under threat of prosecution.

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/statement-on-2011-census-1289664.htm


    Yeah, no shit that's what they said. I think dignin's comment suggests that that wasn't the REAL reason... and I absolutely, 100% agree. It is laughable that anyone would believe that the Conservative government, of all things, cares about our privacy. You didn't really fall for that line, did you?
    Yeah, anyone worth their salt knows this.

    Now we can go back to making policy and money decisions based on evidence. Something the conservatives had no interest in....it's all about their ideology and how they think the world should be, not about how the world actually is.

    I applaud Trudeau for this decision. Hopefully one of many made to get us back to a society based in reason.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351
    edited November 2015
    You think that basing things on reason is bleeding heart liberal hope? Holy crap. And you think there is something ridiculous about reasonable expectations ("hope" in your realm, apparently)? image
    What's going on with you? Serious question. Are you really THAT upset about Harper losing, so you're basically just slapping your hands over your ears and yelling "LALALALALALA!! I'M NOT LISTENING!!"..... Because I'm sorry, but that's how you have been coming off ever since the day after the elections.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited November 2015
    ^^^
    No
    Were you opposed to the cancellation of the long form?
    Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming. AE
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    ^^^
    No
    Were you opposed to the cancellation of the long form?

    Yes.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?
    Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming. AE
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    Do you have a specific memory of how long it took you to do the long one ?
    Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming. AE
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    Do you have a specific memory of how long it took you to do the long one ?
    Actually yes, lol. That I remember. That's okay though. I don't mind.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    Do you have a specific memory of how long it took you to do the long one ?
    Actually yes, lol. That I remember. That's okay though. I don't mind.
    Why did you fill out something you were against (short one)?
    Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming. AE
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    Do you have a specific memory of how long it took you to do the long one ?
    Actually yes, lol. That I remember. That's okay though. I don't mind.
    Why did you fill out something you were against (short one)?
    Because I'm not insane? Some info is better than no info, and it's legally required.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,817

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    so a guy at my work who is upper middle class went off on a tangent again today about Justin bringing back the long form census. He said "I've voted for all parties over the years, I don't care who it is, but if you are spending my money, I don't like it". typical "me me me" nonsense. yeah, cause the census is such an awful thing for the government to do; to gather information about their constituents so they know where the money should be flowing. such a waste of money! all he sees is the dollar signs on it, not the benefit to spending it.

    Harper cancelled the long form census so he wouldn't have to make decisions based on evidence. Plain and simple.

    Actually you are 100% wrong with your reason.
    The Conservative government maintains that its reasoning for the cancellation is that they do not believe it is appropriate to force Canadians to divulge detailed personal information under threat of prosecution.

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/statement-on-2011-census-1289664.htm


    Yeah, no shit that's what they said. I think dignin's comment suggests that that wasn't the REAL reason... and I absolutely, 100% agree. It is laughable that anyone would believe that the Conservative government, of all things, cares about our privacy. You didn't really fall for that line, did you?
    Yeah, anyone worth their salt knows this.

    Now we can go back to making policy and money decisions based on evidence. Something the conservatives had no interest in....it's all about their ideology and how they think the world should be, not about how the world actually is.

    I applaud Trudeau for this decision. Hopefully one of many made to get us back to a society based in reason.
    Cue the rainbows and bleeding heart liberal hope.
    Wait, so you are against religion AND reason? How does that square up?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351
    edited November 2015

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ^^^
    Did you fill out your short one?

    I guess so. I don't have a specific memory of it, but I would never not complete one, so if I got one I completed it.
    Do you have a specific memory of how long it took you to do the long one ?
    Actually yes, lol. That I remember. That's okay though. I don't mind.
    Why did you fill out something you were against (short one)?
    Because I'm not insane? Some info is better than no info, and it's legally required.
    No it was voluntary.
    No it wasn't. I actually remember people who refused to do it being chased by cops. it was silly. But yeah, the short form was mandatory (i think it had a voluntary section attached as well though).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351
    rgambs said:

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    so a guy at my work who is upper middle class went off on a tangent again today about Justin bringing back the long form census. He said "I've voted for all parties over the years, I don't care who it is, but if you are spending my money, I don't like it". typical "me me me" nonsense. yeah, cause the census is such an awful thing for the government to do; to gather information about their constituents so they know where the money should be flowing. such a waste of money! all he sees is the dollar signs on it, not the benefit to spending it.

    Harper cancelled the long form census so he wouldn't have to make decisions based on evidence. Plain and simple.

    Actually you are 100% wrong with your reason.
    The Conservative government maintains that its reasoning for the cancellation is that they do not believe it is appropriate to force Canadians to divulge detailed personal information under threat of prosecution.

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/statement-on-2011-census-1289664.htm


    Yeah, no shit that's what they said. I think dignin's comment suggests that that wasn't the REAL reason... and I absolutely, 100% agree. It is laughable that anyone would believe that the Conservative government, of all things, cares about our privacy. You didn't really fall for that line, did you?
    Yeah, anyone worth their salt knows this.

    Now we can go back to making policy and money decisions based on evidence. Something the conservatives had no interest in....it's all about their ideology and how they think the world should be, not about how the world actually is.

    I applaud Trudeau for this decision. Hopefully one of many made to get us back to a society based in reason.
    Cue the rainbows and bleeding heart liberal hope.
    Wait, so you are against religion AND reason? How does that square up?
    :rofl:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,488
    I haven't researched this enough yet, but on the surface, I'm mildly disappointed in Justin appointing equal genders in the cabinet. you appoint those that are the most qualified, not those simple because they have a vagina. sorry, but that's no different than appointments of yesteryear of those with penises.

    appoint those who are the most qualified, regardless of genitalia.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351
    edited November 2015

    I haven't researched this enough yet, but on the surface, I'm mildly disappointed in Justin appointing equal genders in the cabinet. you appoint those that are the most qualified, not those simple because they have a vagina. sorry, but that's no different than appointments of yesteryear of those with penises.

    appoint those who are the most qualified, regardless of genitalia.

    I feel like this is more the thinking of mysoginists, which you are not, so I am surprised to see you saying this.
    He DID choose highly qualified, very appropriate people. He had many people to choose from, and it's not a matter of him choosing less qualified people. His problem was more having too many qualified people to choose from. What he did was given women the equal chance as men. To make the numbers even is to ensure a true representation of the Canadian population (among other ways - ethnicity, geography, etc). I think this thought about how equal representation = not a qualified cabinet is pure bullshit.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,061

    I haven't researched this enough yet, but on the surface, I'm mildly disappointed in Justin appointing equal genders in the cabinet. you appoint those that are the most qualified, not those simple because they have a vagina. sorry, but that's no different than appointments of yesteryear of those with penises.

    appoint those who are the most qualified, regardless of genitalia.

    Appointing cabinet has never been about merit. The main factor being geography. I'm a little surprised by the people upset about this (not saying you are).

    I think it's great, and sends an important inclusive message. All the women picked for cabinet have fantastic resumes.

    You may get a kick at this

    http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2204-50-female-cabinet-appointments-lead-to-5000-increase-in-guys-who-suddenly-care-about-merit-in-cabinet

    50% female cabinet appointments lead to 5000% increase in guys who suddenly care about merit in cabinet
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 46,351
    If you really look into who he chose, read into their experience, skills, knowledge, etc, you will see that he actually made VERY good choices. Very appropriate choices. I am impressed.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
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    Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming. AE
  • PJ_Soul said:

    so a guy at my work who is upper middle class went off on a tangent again today about Justin bringing back the long form census. He said "I've voted for all parties over the years, I don't care who it is, but if you are spending my money, I don't like it". typical "me me me" nonsense. yeah, cause the census is such an awful thing for the government to do; to gather information about their constituents so they know where the money should be flowing. such a waste of money! all he sees is the dollar signs on it, not the benefit to spending it.

    He sounds like a real douche.
    He sounds real familiar.
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Calgary ABPosts: 1,259
    Interesting thing we have learned in Argentina and Chile, after a long periods with socialist/leftist governments their economies are in ruins.
    Argentina is in the middle of elections next month and will be turfing the existing president. Locals I have talked to are hoping things will become better.

    Chile has always been like the "US" of South America. Their flag looks like the flag of Texas. They went left a number of years ago. For forty days the section of the government.responsible for registries has been on an illegal strike. Basically the economy has ground to a halt as the government workers (who make twice as much as the average Chilean) want more money.
    You cannot buy a new car, for instance, because if you did it is impossible to register it and get a licence plate. Want to get married? Same thing.

    It has been a great learning experience, especially here in Argentina. The black eye they have on the international stage for defaulting on their debt is very hard on them. I sensed the embarrassment when I broached the subject delicately. They are a proud people. They are survivors, self-admittedly, and are hoping for a return to an economy (a government) where business can thrive and opportunities exist.

    Keep in mind, these are comments from people I have talked to. I have not had time to research all the information as I am on a vacation. Cheers!
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,061
    More good news, this is huge.

    Scientists, ministers get green light to speak under Trudeau
    Federal ministers are returning reporters' calls in a timely manner

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/scientists-ministers-get-green-light-to-speak-under-trudeau-1.3307679
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